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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist

USA
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Posted - 19 Jul 2013 :  22:50:01  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
So, I got this idea in my head that it might be fun to create the heraldic crests of the nobility of some of the houses of Waterdeep last weekend and make them a lot bigger than they were presented in the original FR1 Waterdeep and the North. My intention was to then later shrink them and play with a printer to make decals for minis. I started with the Helmfast crest and I downloaded a couple different graphics programs that were free and got nowhere (I'm NOT normally given to artwork mind you). So, I'm very used to Visio from work, but I only happen to have a local copy of visio 2002.. and I'm not going to pay money for this project.

Anyway, surprisingly, with Visio I was able to much more easily make the drawing which I'd fought to do with other paint programs.... but it was only in black and white. There didn't seem to be a paint bucket like paint had, so I saved as a JPEG and copied it over... which lost the vector graphics nature of he drawing and made it shades of Gray. So, when I did a paint bucket dump, it was frankly a pain in the butt. Its been forever since I researched all the old graphic types. I know I'm probably reaching here, but is there a vector graphic type that might enable what I'm looking to do?

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Phillip aka Sleyvas

sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist

USA
11700 Posts

Posted - 19 Jul 2013 :  23:50:02  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
nevermind, figured it out, saving as a bi-level tif file seems to do the trick... this is actually kind of fun.

Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

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Bladewind
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Netherlands
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Posted - 20 Jul 2013 :  00:31:54  Show Profile Send Bladewind a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey, GIMP is an open source photoshop and is quite slick nowadays. No need to look further for all your colorful pictures and photo editing needs.

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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist

USA
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Posted - 20 Jul 2013 :  05:28:50  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'll have to take a look at that. So far tonight I've recreated the crests for Agundar, Hawkwinter, Helmfast, Ilzimmer, Roaringhorn, Ruldegost, and Wands. They're far from fancy, but they definitely look like something usable. Hell, you could even print them on handouts for players and such as the special seal of X noble family. I'm keeping the original uncolored in visio, then I'm making a TIF which I then color and save as a JPEG. I'm trying to hit the family names that either have a really easy drawing OR that I know people use first. I know Amcathra and Thann were already created in City of Splendors, so I may just do Thunderstaff, Kormallis, Irlingstar and Cassalanter next. I know I'll never do them all, but after those, I may do the really easy ones (Ilitul for instance.. 3 identical red spears on an orange background.. should be easy... ugly, but easy).

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Ze
Learned Scribe

Italy
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Posted - 20 Jul 2013 :  08:14:11  Show Profile Send Ze a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey sleyvas, that's great!
Dibs on them when you'll share a link.
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist

USA
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Posted - 22 Jul 2013 :  02:05:40  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, I finished 21 of the crests. I made the original black and white vector graphic in visio 2002 (and saved in .vsd format so that I can edit the parts), then I saved it as a tif file with 256 colors, opened it in paint and just used the paint bucket to color them mostly (occasionally had to use the paintbrush). Some of them are butt ugly (I'm not the best at choosing what exactly is "crimson" or "deep green", etc....), but they pretty much match the descriptions from Waterdeep and the North.... and when they're reduced to decal for a miniature size, they should be wonderful. For use on handouts to players, its probably impressive enough. I wouldn't consider it "professional quality" like the maps I see from Markustay, etc... Some of it I pulled from clip art on the web. Anyway, below are the links, hopefully they work.


Agundar - https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8CYc8h_6sg8SDZXSTY2Smp2Vm8/edit?usp=sharing
Assumbar - https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8CYc8h_6sg8Tm5nLXo0ZGxUT2M/edit?usp=sharing
Bladesemmer - https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8CYc8h_6sg8WW5HZmRvU1dnWkU/edit?usp=sharing
Cassalanter - https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8CYc8h_6sg8X0lfM0NHUElKcWs/edit?usp=sharing
Eagleshield - https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8CYc8h_6sg8ZUsxN2IybnN0Nm8/edit?usp=sharing
Eltorchul - https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8CYc8h_6sg8eHI5Z2VZa2dXeFU/edit?usp=sharing
Hawkwinter - https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8CYc8h_6sg8WlNBZHFNV1B1TVE/edit?usp=sharing
Helmfast - https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8CYc8h_6sg8MXFNQnpyeFNTNGc/edit?usp=sharing
Ilitul - https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8CYc8h_6sg8WXY4ZXRmVTU4MXc/edit?usp=sharing
Ilzimmer - https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8CYc8h_6sg8Q1gyUVBQaE1NMXM/edit?usp=sharing
Irlingstar - https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8CYc8h_6sg8RVVKZ3Q5YmtpVVk/edit?usp=sharing
Jardeth - https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8CYc8h_6sg8VWhmOExGT0psMm8/edit?usp=sharing
Kormallis - https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8CYc8h_6sg8SC1USTRmYkdSZ1U/edit?usp=sharing
Maerklos - https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8CYc8h_6sg8Y0loejVQeXhycFk/edit?usp=sharing
Manthar - https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8CYc8h_6sg8ekwzS0hBUF9Ja1U/edit?usp=sharing
Margaster - https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8CYc8h_6sg8dVVEeUhNOWgxUHc/edit?usp=sharing
Roaringhorn - https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8CYc8h_6sg8TkZ1ZkhXbjROOXM/edit?usp=sharing
Rosenar - https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8CYc8h_6sg8Sm5RdFNRa0p4ZW8/edit?usp=sharing
Ruldegost - https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8CYc8h_6sg8RkJXTUh3X1VFVVk/edit?usp=sharing
Thunderstaff - https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8CYc8h_6sg8cFBSR1Z5eDdnaEk/edit?usp=sharing
Wands - https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8CYc8h_6sg8Y1lvVndyNlNmS2s/edit?usp=sharing

Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore

Australia
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Posted - 22 Jul 2013 :  03:25:34  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
These are excellent sleyvas. Great stuff! Saving now.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist

USA
11700 Posts

Posted - 23 Jul 2013 :  14:06:27  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks George. BTW, I think I have it in me to do 3 or 4 more, but I'd prefer to focus on any "prominent" Waterdeep noble families that I may have missed (or possibly heraldry from outside Waterdeep if its a known design). If anyone's got a particular fancy that strikes them, just let me know... and if it doesn't look too hard, I'll try my hand at it.

Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

Phillip aka Sleyvas
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