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Thauramarth
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

Elves of Evermeet was one of the FOR books... Something else that defied the rules in one of those books was the AC's given to some of the dragons in FOR1 Draconomicon. In 2E, Armor Class ranged from 10 at the worst to -10 at the best -- and some of the dragons in Draconomicon had ACs of -12, and I seem to recall a -15 in there, as well.


Actually, the Draconomicon did not invent anything. In the Ring-binder Monstrous Compendium, gold dragons already went over the -10 rule (Wyrms -11, Great Wyrms -12), as did silvers (Great Wyrm -11).

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I was reading this old post, and was kinda surprised by the way some people were treating a +8 sword like something so over-powered. Well, it is not usual to have swords above +5, even if additional powers make them equivalent to more powerful blades in 3e and 3.5, at least. But Tahlshara is +8 in pure bonus, something that would or should not exist, especially in 2e times.

But well, I can think of two weapons that break the +5 barrier back then, although they do it only versus specific enemies... A Frost Brand sword, in 2e, can strike with a +6 bonus against fire creatures, and a Holy Avenger, in the hands of a paladin and against a chaotic evil foe can attain an impressive +10, both swords having other powers beside the hit and damage bonuses.

The point is that Tahlshara is the most powerful sword of elven history, and makes up for that. More impressive than being a +8 sword, in my opinion, is its ability to cast high magic, along with many other magical powers. But then again, this is the most powerful elven blade ever made, being forged and enchanted in a 150 years process, and an item that would supplant any other elven sword, even the fabled moonblades.

EDIT: Text edition for clarity.

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On the other hand, 150 to elves is like 25 to us. Maybe 15. Saying a sword is the most powerful the elves have forged in 150 years, when they've been living and warring with incredibly powerful foes (ie: dragons and giants) for twenty thousand years isn't saying much.

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quote:
Originally posted by Barastir

I was reading this old post, and was kinda surprised by the way some people were treating a +8 sword like something so over-powered. Well, it is not usual to have swords above +5, even if additional powers make them equivalent to more powerful blades in 3e and 3.5, at least. But Tahlshara is +8 in pure bonus, something that would or should not exist, especially in 2e times.

But well, I can think of two weapons that break the +5 barrier back then, although they do it only versus specific enemies... A Frost Brand sword, in 2e, can strike with a +6 bonus against fire creatures, and a Holy Avenger, in the hands of a paladin and against a chaotic evil foe can attain an impressive +10, both swords having other powers beside the hit and damage bonuses.

The point is that Tahlshara is the most powerful sword of elven history, and makes up for that. More impressive than being a +8 sword, in my opinion, is its ability to cast high magic, along with many other magical powers. But then again, this is the most powerful elven blade ever made, forged and enchanted in 150 years, and an item that would supplant any other elven sword, even the fabled moonblades.


I thought it was a moonblade? The moonblade in fact. A sword that gains powers from every additional user, but becomes more dangerous every time. Moonblades were Used to judge which family would rule based on which line kept their moonblades the longest.

Maybe I am wrong, but i always thought that sword was the reason Amlauruil's line was the ruling line.
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quote:
Originally posted by Hoondatha

On the other hand, 150 to elves is like 25 to us. Maybe 15. Saying a sword is the most powerful the elves have forged in 150 years, when they've been living and warring with incredibly powerful foes (ie: dragons and giants) for twenty thousand years isn't saying much.



It's not the most powerful forged in 150 years, it's the most powerful forged, and it took 150 years to forge it.

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quote:
Originally posted by Firestorm
I thought it was a moonblade? The moonblade in fact. A sword that gains powers from every additional user, but becomes more dangerous every time. Moonblades were Used to judge which family would rule based on which line kept their moonblades the longest.

Maybe I am wrong, but i always thought that sword was the reason Amlauruil's line was the ruling line.


No, there are two different swords: the king sword, that was Zaor's moonblade, and Tahlshara. All the moonblades were enchanted in a distant past to choose the royal lineage of Evermeet, forged by different craftsmen and enchanted in a High Magic ritual by the sage Ethlando. Tahlshara was forged and enchanted by the elven armorer Kythaela Durothil, and is considered her life's work.

Even if the moonblades grew in power with every new user, it in fact made it very difficult for new owners to master all the powers of a blade that survived for many generations, accordingly to Mrs. Cunningham. Tahlshara, on the other hand, have a set of well-defined powers, including the casting of any High Magic Ritual (even those that normally would demand a High Magi circle). As someone said in other thread, maybe moonblades would be minor artifacts, while Tahlshara would be a major artifact, the greatest elven weapon ever.

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quote:
Originally posted by Firestorm

I thought it was a moonblade? The moonblade in fact. A sword that gains powers from every additional user, but becomes more dangerous every time. Moonblades were Used to judge which family would rule based on which line kept their moonblades the longest.

Maybe I am wrong, but i always thought that sword was the reason Amlauruil's line was the ruling line.


No that was Zaors sword. She was queen because she married him and she staid queen because she was the choosen of the seldarine I guess.
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Be aware that true epic rules didn't come about until 3e. If they were to restat the gods equipment, I am sure they'll all be insanely powerful epic magic items. The problem is that artifacts weren't scaled high enough to counter what epic magic items can do.
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quote:
Originally posted by _Jarlaxle_

quote:
Originally posted by Firestorm

I thought it was a moonblade? The moonblade in fact. A sword that gains powers from every additional user, but becomes more dangerous every time. Moonblades were Used to judge which family would rule based on which line kept their moonblades the longest.

Maybe I am wrong, but i always thought that sword was the reason Amlauruil's line was the ruling line.


No that was Zaors sword. She was queen because she married him and she staid queen because she was the choosen of the seldarine I guess.



In fact, Zaor's moonblade - the king sword - accepted Amlaruil just before they got married, and stayed with her after the king's death (the story of Zaor and Amlaruil, and of the moonblades, is detailed in Evermeet: Island of the Elves. Unfortunately, Tahlshara is not mentioned in this great novel, but only in the Elves of Evermeet 2e sourcebook).

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Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."

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quote:
Originally posted by Barastir

(the story of Zaor and Amlaruil, and of the moonblades, is detailed in Evermeet: Island of the Elves.


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her sword was a 2e weapon, afaik it didnt get a 3e or 4e update, but in 3e up it is poossible to craft a +8 weapon. epic rules...

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Note also that the King Sword also accepted their son Lamruil when he forced her to step down during Kymil's attempted coup. As soon as it did, he truned around and had Kymil arrested- since weilding the sword was proof that he was king. And then he gave it back to her. So there are two accepted wielders of it at present.

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The Sword of Babette Maelstrom XP Value: 1,000,000 GP Value: 10,000,000 "Babette's formidable weapon is a long sword +5, +10 vs. regenerating creatures, and +15 vs. dragons. Once a year, the sword can: -Cause an explosion, 200-foot radius, 200d100 (200-20,000) points of damage. -Create a sphere of force, as per the wall of force spell; and dispel magic at the 45th level." Info from the AD&D Encycolpedia Magica, vol. 4



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LOL!!!! I thought I was the only one who remembered that weapon! You pulled that from the Encyclopedia Magica? Nice. I always wanted to pull that one on my players, just never quite found the right opportunity..... It should be mentioned, however, that it was part of a contest done by Dragon Magazine and came with a warning to NEVER let a player get their hands on it!

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quote:
Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis

Note also that the King Sword also accepted their son Lamruil when he forced her to step down during Kymil's attempted coup. As soon as it did, he truned around and had Kymil arrested- since weilding the sword was proof that he was king. And then he gave it back to her. So there are two accepted wielders of it at present.


It's because he didn't claim it (and the throne), although he was worthy. The sword accepted him, but Lamruil didn't take it. So, the sword remained with his mother the Queen, and I'm sure it would judge him again if he decided to draw it later (maybe something changes in the future). So, technically it remains with only one wielder.

And we should remember that Lamruil is Arilyn's blade heir, so if nothing happened to impede this, he would be able chose, in the future, between the King Sword and an adventurer's moonblade (in service to the People, of course).

I just haven't detailed it very much because this thread is about Tahlshara, not about the King Sword (that was never given an elven name, and I called Selu'Cor'Kerym - the sword of the High King - in my Realms).

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Originally posted by Marc

Casting any high magic part is absurd, does that include the Killing Storm, the tsunami that destroyed Jhaamdath, Dracorage Mythal and the Sundering?



2nd edition rules. High magic at that time wasn't the same thing as the 3rd edition equivalent. They were 1st-9th lvl spells that were "high magic" spells. 3rd edition made them epic spells.

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I think rather than focusing on the +8 bonus, it would be of interest to see what this sword would be when converted to 3.5 rules. Just as an experiment, I'm going to try and break down the weapon.

+8 enhancement bonus (recommendation, replace this with say a +3 enhancement bonus and the skillful feature from complete arcane, not as powerful, but makes the weapon usable by any class no matter their BAB/profs) - equivalence +5 bonus

+10 unclassified AC bonus that doesn't stack with armor/etc.... (recommendation, replace this with the defending feature) - equivalence +1 bonus

vorpal - keep this the same in effect, but make note of the earlier hindrance. Enacting this effect in 2nd edition required a roll on the high magic table (which drained attributes, aged the person, etc...). This should possibly be considered an activatable power that can only be activated on a natural 20 rather than the standard +5.

sunburst - treat as the 3rd edition spell

teleport without error - treat as the 3rd edition spell

turnshadow-

teleport dead -

spelltrap - I don't think this was ever converted to 3E?? I used to love this spell. Could be replaced with spell turning. Note that using it also caused the high magic effects as mentioned for vorpal

cast any high magic spell - replace this with say "greater anyspell" and lose the need for this to create a high magic effect

spellstrike - I absolutely forget what this ability did in second edition. Was it like magebane or was it like spell storing?


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Originally posted by sleyvas
2nd edition rules. High magic at that time wasn't the same thing as the 3rd edition equivalent. They were 1st-9th lvl spells that were "high magic" spells. 3rd edition made them epic spells.


Kind of... Actually, in Elves of Evermeet there were High Magic spells of 8th and 9th level. In Cormanthyr the game designers adjusted them so High magic was beyond the 9-level system, but they said there were some ordinary spells that simulated High Magic effects (and in fact the new High Magic Rituals expanded the more limited spell effects).

But maybe the blade only allowed "Rituals of Solitude", High Magic rituals that could be cast by one person only (although it is not specified in the sword powers' list). The point is that I was mixing the description of Tahlshara with the powers of the avatar of Corellon Larethian in Demihuman Deities. This avatar could cast alone High magic that would need a High Magi Circle.


PS: I thought that in 3.5e bonuses above +5 were only to add powers to a blade, but that the bonuses couldn't be improved beyond +5. Being so, a sword would be up to +5, but with additional powers that raised to a equivalent of up to +10. This limitation exists, or I got it wrong?

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Lead by example.
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Up to epic level play, +10 is the limit for PC made weapons to be.
Now if a DM has a good reason to exceed that for story purposes, so it goes.
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quote:
Originally posted by Barastir

quote:
Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis

Note also that the King Sword also accepted their son Lamruil when he forced her to step down during Kymil's attempted coup. As soon as it did, he truned around and had Kymil arrested- since weilding the sword was proof that he was king. And then he gave it back to her. So there are two accepted wielders of it at present.


It's because he didn't claim it (and the throne), although he was worthy. The sword accepted him, but Lamruil didn't take it. So, the sword remained with his mother the Queen, and I'm sure it would judge him again if he decided to draw it later (maybe something changes in the future). So, technically it remains with only one wielder.

And we should remember that Lamruil is Arilyn's blade heir, so if nothing happened to impede this, he would be able chose, in the future, between the King Sword and an adventurer's moonblade (in service to the People, of course).

I just haven't detailed it very much because this thread is about Tahlshara, not about the King Sword (that was never given an elven name, and I called Selu'Cor'Aryvel - the noble blade of the High King - in my Realms).



Actually, he did indeed claim both- for all of about five minutes. Since he was recognized by the sword AND all present (no one was going to argue with the blade, knowing the consequences of a failed attempt. Since he survived the claiming, he WAS king!) as the legitimate ruler, those in the room obeyed without question when he ordered Kymil arrested (which had been his gambit from the beginning, apparently). Amlaruil was technically "dead" (in Arvandor) at the time, and when he relinquished it, she returned to claim it again. So althoughthere is only one current wielder, there are two accepted wielders.

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Originally posted by Barastir

quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas
2nd edition rules. High magic at that time wasn't the same thing as the 3rd edition equivalent. They were 1st-9th lvl spells that were "high magic" spells. 3rd edition made them epic spells.


Kind of... Actually, in Elves of Evermeet there were High Magic spells of 8th and 9th level. In Cormanthyr the game designers adjusted them so High magic was beyond the 9-level system, but they said there were some ordinary spells that simulated High Magic effects (and in fact the new High Magic Rituals expanded the more limited spell effects).

But maybe the blade only allowed "Rituals of Solitude", High Magic rituals that could be cast by one person only (although it is not specified in the sword powers' list). The point is that I was mixing the description of Tahlshara with the powers of the avatar of Corellon Larethian in Demihuman Deities. This avatar could cast alone High magic that would need a High Magi Circle.


PS: I thought that in 3.5e bonuses above +5 were only to add powers to a blade, but that the bonuses couldn't be improved beyond +5. Being so, a sword would be up to +5, but with additional powers that raised to a equivalent of up to +10. This limitation exists, or I got it wrong?




True, they did come out with newer High Magic rules later. However High Magic Rituals and High Magic Spells are two different things. The sword specifically says High Magic Spells, which are listed in Elves of Evermeet. Cormanthyr came out 4 years later and has restrictions on high mages that if they're going to be doing high magic rituals they can't have any spells memorized, etc.... so it specifically differentiates the two.

The way I'd take that to mean if it were ported over to 3rd edition would be that elven High Mages would have a special spell list in addition to their arcane list (kind of like how the Hathrans get specific spells). Of course, that didn't happen, but if I were to actually have someone that was going to use the prestige class, I'd probably work with them to convert some of the old spells.

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quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas
True, they did come out with newer High Magic rules later. However High Magic Rituals and High Magic Spells are two different things. The sword specifically says High Magic Spells, which are listed in Elves of Evermeet. (...)

Well, that's because that was the way High Magic worked back then... Since it's the ultimate elven weapon, I think it is plausible to think that the powers of the sword should also be adapted to the newer High magic Ritual rules.

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fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."

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quote:
Originally posted by Barastir

quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas
True, they did come out with newer High Magic rules later. However High Magic Rituals and High Magic Spells are two different things. The sword specifically says High Magic Spells, which are listed in Elves of Evermeet. (...)

Well, that's because that was the way High Magic worked back then... Since it's the ultimate elven weapon, I think it is plausible to think that the powers of the sword should also be adapted to the newer High magic Ritual rules.



I don't... its a sword, so anyone... especially non-wizards... would be able to wield it. The Queen apparently can use it without having to worry about the high magic effects, even if her alignment is magically affected. Also, essentially any elf could wield the weapon no matter their alignment. This would give High Magic spells to whoever picked it up. To include High Magic Rituals as well would be insane on the part of the high mages to include in a weapon.

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Originally posted by sleyvas

quote:
Originally posted by Barastir
Since it's the ultimate elven weapon, I think it is plausible to think that the powers of the sword should also be adapted to the newer High magic Ritual rules.



I don't... its a sword, so anyone... especially non-wizards... would be able to wield it. The Queen apparently can use it without having to worry about the high magic effects, even if her alignment is magically affected. Also, essentially any elf could wield the weapon no matter their alignment. This would give High Magic spells to whoever picked it up. To include High Magic Rituals as well would be insane on the part of the high mages to include in a weapon.


The High Magic side effects are a strong limitation, and remember that the sword can kill any non-elves that touch it (including dhaerow), and that the sword powers don't work for the N'Tel'Quessir and drow.

In the original text from Elves of Evermeet:

"Infused with the magic of the Seldarine, the
weapon's powers cannot be used by non-elves.
Any non-elf touching the weapon must successfully
save vs. death magic or be instantly slain.
This prohibition extends, not surprisingly,
to Drow, regardless of their alignment."


It is considered possibly the most powerful elven weapon in history, so I think yes, its powers would be true High Magic, even if they were limited to Rituals of Solitude only.

"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."

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Originally posted by Barastir

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Originally posted by sleyvas

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Originally posted by Barastir
Since it's the ultimate elven weapon, I think it is plausible to think that the powers of the sword should also be adapted to the newer High magic Ritual rules.



I don't... its a sword, so anyone... especially non-wizards... would be able to wield it. The Queen apparently can use it without having to worry about the high magic effects, even if her alignment is magically affected. Also, essentially any elf could wield the weapon no matter their alignment. This would give High Magic spells to whoever picked it up. To include High Magic Rituals as well would be insane on the part of the high mages to include in a weapon.


The High Magic side effects are a strong limitation, and remember that the sword can kill any non-elves that touch it (including dhaerow), and recall especially that the sword powers don't work for the N'Tel'Quessir and drow.

In the original text from Elves of Evermeet:

"Infused with the magic of the Seldarine, the
weapon's powers cannot be used by non-elves.
Any non-elf touching the weapon must successfully
save vs. death magic or be instantly slain.
This prohibition extends, not surprisingly,
to Drow, regardless of their alignment."


It is considered possibly the most powerful elven weapon in history, so I think yes, its powers would be true High Magic, even if they were limited to Rituals of Solitude only.




The assumption there would be that all elves (except the drow, who can't wield the weapon anyway) have goodness in their heart. I understand that rituals of solitude are basically the equivalent of variously leveled spells, but the one thing that the high mages (of current age) would always want to be careful of is not making something out of hubris that in a twist of magic could be made to work differently. Therefore, since rituals of solitude basically just do things that spells do, then why would they consider opening that doorway even a crack?


Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

Phillip aka Sleyvas
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