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The Hooded One
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Posted - 22 Mar 2011 :  01:28:28  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I should mention that in the early days of the published Realms Ed and Karen Boomgaarden (yes, that's the way her surname is properly spelled) put their heads together briefly on doing a novel with bards, involving sung spells (with sheet music, lyrics, and all), but it was promptly vetoed by the Books people as being too costly and finicky in the manufacturing to be worth it). That was back in pre-CD days, remember, when "floppy" soft plastic 45rpm record inserts like National Geographic sometimes did were considered. Ed raised the idea again when CDs did come along and TSR briefly flirted with a line of slim-boxed adventures containing CDs, but again there was zero interest from the (different, by then) Books people.
When Anne McCaffrey's CRYSTAL SINGER sf novel appeared, there was a brief kindling of interest, but it got hijacked by a higher-up who fell in love with the "singing to tune your laser cutter" idea in that novel and its sequels, twisting it into "singing to AIM your sonic sword," and taking it into the realm of sf. Where it promptly died, along with the game that never saw more than a few back pages of DRAGON: "Proton Fire."
I'm not saying the idea might not fly if suggested now. I'm just pointing out it has a history of being raised and quashed. (Hopefully we have moved on from the days of a [now-dead] TSR upper management suit growling, "A book about some pansies in ridiculous costumes warbling away and making birds fall stunned out of the sky? I don't THINK so!" . . . as one did loudly in my hearing when someone suggested TSR do a D&D novel featuring a bard adventuring band, back at an early Milwaukee-era GenCon.)
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The Red Walker
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quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One

I should mention that in the early days of the published Realms Ed and Karen Boomgaarden (yes, that's the way her surname is properly spelled) put their heads together briefly on doing a novel with bards, involving sung spells (with sheet music, lyrics, and all), but it was promptly vetoed by the Books people as being too costly and finicky in the manufacturing to be worth it). That was back in pre-CD days, remember, when "floppy" soft plastic 45rpm record inserts like National Geographic sometimes did were considered. Ed raised the idea again when CDs did come along and TSR briefly flirted with a line of slim-boxed adventures containing CDs, but again there was zero interest from the (different, by then) Books people.
When Anne McCaffrey's CRYSTAL SINGER sf novel appeared, there was a brief kindling of interest, but it got hijacked by a higher-up who fell in love with the "singing to tune your laser cutter" idea in that novel and its sequels, twisting it into "singing to AIM your sonic sword," and taking it into the realm of sf. Where it promptly died, along with the game that never saw more than a few back pages of DRAGON: "Proton Fire."
I'm not saying the idea might not fly if suggested now. I'm just pointing out it has a history of being raised and quashed. (Hopefully we have moved on from the days of a [now-dead] TSR upper management suit growling, "A book about some pansies in ridiculous costumes warbling away and making birds fall stunned out of the sky? I don't THINK so!" . . . as one did loudly in my hearing when someone suggested TSR do a D&D novel featuring a bard adventuring band, back at an early Milwaukee-era GenCon.)
love,
THO




Fascinating!

Thanks Lovely One!

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That is fascinating, THO. There aren't really any acceptable technical excuses left for the publishers these days: discs cost less than paper, material can be distributed by internet (and even require a unique decryption key from each printed book, if the publisher so desires) ... hell, for a few pennies the book itself can plug into a USB port. There are plenty of other excuses available to publishers, most are probably very conservative and depend on (antiquated) traditional formulas to squeezing their slim profit margins. Bookmakers ironically seem to be the least innovative enterpreneurs in the world.

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Originally posted by The Hooded One

I should mention that in the early days of the published Realms Ed and Karen Boomgaarden (yes, that's the way her surname is properly spelled) put their heads together briefly on doing a novel with bards, involving sung spells (with sheet music, lyrics, and all), but it was promptly vetoed by the Books people as being too costly and finicky in the manufacturing to be worth it). That was back in pre-CD days, remember, when "floppy" soft plastic 45rpm record inserts like National Geographic sometimes did were considered. Ed raised the idea again when CDs did come along and TSR briefly flirted with a line of slim-boxed adventures containing CDs, but again there was zero interest from the (different, by then) Books people.
When Anne McCaffrey's CRYSTAL SINGER sf novel appeared, there was a brief kindling of interest, but it got hijacked by a higher-up who fell in love with the "singing to tune your laser cutter" idea in that novel and its sequels, twisting it into "singing to AIM your sonic sword," and taking it into the realm of sf. Where it promptly died, along with the game that never saw more than a few back pages of DRAGON: "Proton Fire."
I'm not saying the idea might not fly if suggested now. I'm just pointing out it has a history of being raised and quashed. (Hopefully we have moved on from the days of a [now-dead] TSR upper management suit growling, "A book about some pansies in ridiculous costumes warbling away and making birds fall stunned out of the sky? I don't THINK so!" . . . as one did loudly in my hearing when someone suggested TSR do a D&D novel featuring a bard adventuring band, back at an early Milwaukee-era GenCon.)
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THO

Let me just say, that the Realms Music-Geek inside of me would have gladly parted with many gold pieces for such a rare treasure.

I'm curious though, milady, on what your thoughts would be re: some of us tackling a similar project?

As I've noted before here at Candlekeep, I've tried something like this, by writing sheet music for notable Realms ditties published in official sources. And while Ed and Karen's conception is definitely something I can try on my lonesome, I suspect that a few scribes might also be interested in attempting this.

Plus, it expands on my ideas about composing original Realms music for archival purposes at Candlekeep. [Which I'll get to eventually. ]

What do you think?

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Alystra Illianniis
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Sage, if you need any help with that project, I'd be happy to oblige. I occasionally dabble in song-writing along with my other writing work, poems, and the like. I have lots of free time after work to compile ditties, hunt down lyrics if need be (and I have the appropriate resources at hand) etc. And since I'm as fond of music and bards as you are, it would be right up my alley, as it were. Assuming you are interested in collaborating, of course.

@ Dennis: I posted some stuff a while back on the subject of music as magic (cosmic symphonies, planetary "music", and related concepts) so to me, the two go hand-in-hand. How often have you watched a movie where a spell was chanted in some almost sing-song cadence? Have you ever read the Wizard in Rhyme series? It used poetry and song lyrics (Greensleeves!) heavily for the magic spells in those books. And to interesting effect, I might add.... (A poem about augerers finding no entrails within a sacrifice causing a wizard to become "gutless"- that was PRICELESS!!!)

Now that I think on it, those Crystal Singer novels have given me a great idea- combining stone magic with spellsinging! I'm picturing a bardic Stone Mage, using the stones to focus his song-spells, or perhaps storing the songs in the stones.... Need to think on this more.

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Elfinblade
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Originally posted by Elfinblade

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Alystra Illianniis

So I'm cheap and easy, huh? *snickers* Never been called THAT before....
Sorry, Alystra, I just mislike drow, a preference that really has nothing to do with bards.

I notice a lack of any definitive female bards in the Realms. Why is that? Especially considering how much appeal female performers have in our society (especially in the minds of young males).



Elaine's Elfsong has a couple of female bards featuring. Garnet and that dwarven scetch artist bard, which i always thought was a really interesting spin on the bard class. What was her name again, Morganna?



Morgalla the Mirthful.



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The Sage
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Sage, if you need any help with that project, I'd be happy to oblige. I occasionally dabble in song-writing along with my other writing work, poems, and the like. I have lots of free time after work to compile ditties, hunt down lyrics if need be (and I have the appropriate resources at hand) etc. And since I'm as fond of music and bards as you are, it would be right up my alley, as it were. Assuming you are interested in collaborating, of course.
I'd happily welcome any input you may have for this. Let me put some rough notes and a concept plan together, and I'll get back to you. [Should you have any ideas about how to proceed in the meantime, feel free to contact me privately, and we'll discuss them.]

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ElaineCunningham
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Sketch artist? Morgalla was a political cartoonist.
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The Red Walker
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Sketch artist? Morgalla was a political cartoonist.




Any chance "Uncle Dan" influenced Azariah and she's bait of a bard?

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quote:
Originally posted by ElaineCunningham

Sketch artist? Morgalla was a political cartoonist.




Any chance "Uncle Dan" influenced Azariah and she's bait of a bard?



Azariah IS a bard, but Danilo was only a minor influence in this. Azariah's mother was a famous actress and dancer. She was raised as a royal ward of Evermeet and trained by elven bards and swordmasters.
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham

quote:
Originally posted by The Red Walker

quote:
Originally posted by ElaineCunningham

Sketch artist? Morgalla was a political cartoonist.




Any chance "Uncle Dan" influenced Azariah and she's bit of a bard?



Azariah IS a bard, but Danilo was only a minor influence in this. Azariah's mother was a famous actress and dancer. She was raised as a royal ward of Evermeet and trained by elven bards and swordmasters.



Wow! In all seriousness I didn't know(or have reason to think) that she is a bard....

How cool is that! Have to say I didnt think we'd get tha bard-centric new novel that quickly!

Thanks Elaine

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Originally posted by The Red Walker

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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham

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Originally posted by The Red Walker

quote:
Originally posted by ElaineCunningham

Sketch artist? Morgalla was a political cartoonist.




Any chance "Uncle Dan" influenced Azariah and she's bit of a bard?



Azariah IS a bard, but Danilo was only a minor influence in this. Azariah's mother was a famous actress and dancer. She was raised as a royal ward of Evermeet and trained by elven bards and swordmasters.



Wow! In all seriousness I didn't know(or have reason to think) that she is a bard....

How cool is that! Have to say I didnt think we'd get tha bard-centric new novel that quickly!

Thanks Elaine



Now if she carried both the family moonblade and a certain singing sword.....would that would be too much?

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@ Dennis: I posted some stuff a while back on the subject of music as magic (cosmic symphonies, planetary "music", and related concepts) so to me, the two go hand-in-hand.




To you, yes. But, having read a lot of fantasy books, I daresay that's hardly applied in most fantasy fiction. Spells don't often rhyme and don't even make sense sometimes. Also, most of what I read generally utilize spellcasting via "thoughts." Not a sound at all. If there are, it's but a mention of something like "murmured a spell," or "incanted a spell." Rarely did I encounter "sang a spell," or its variation.

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Now if she carried both the family moonblade and a certain singing sword.....would that would be too much?



How about a singing moonblade?

That's actually an interesting thought... We know the former weilders of Arilyn's moonblade were swordswingers and at least one wizard... What kind of power would a bard's moonblade acquire? Interesting to ponder, thinks I.

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quote:
Originally posted by The Red Walker

Now if she carried both the family moonblade and a certain singing sword.....would that would be too much?



How about a singing moonblade?

That's actually an interesting thought... We know the former weilders of Arilyn's moonblade were swordswingers and at least one wizard... What kind of power would a bard's moonblade acquire? Interesting to ponder, thinks I.

Oh, I really do like that. And I'd be curious about what it would actually sing? Elven chants, or perhaps meditative arias of fey-origin?

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quote:
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@ Dennis: I posted some stuff a while back on the subject of music as magic (cosmic symphonies, planetary "music", and related concepts) so to me, the two go hand-in-hand.




To you, yes. But, having read a lot of fantasy books, I daresay that's hardly applied in most fantasy fiction. Spells don't often rhyme and don't even make sense sometimes. Also, most of what I read generally utilize spellcasting via "thoughts." Not a sound at all. If there are, it's but a mention of something like "murmured a spell," or "incanted a spell." Rarely did I encounter "sang a spell," or its variation.



True enough, but as I mentioned before, there are plenty of worlds where music (or at least poetry) is magic, as well. And I was really thinking on a more fundamental level, tobe honest. Not so much music as such, but the concept of words and sounds having power. That seems to be a basic theme for nearly all magic-users. The movie Dragonslayer used this to some extent, with Latin chants for the spells, and then there was the magical incantations in Willow. Not music, but they both possessed a certain "musical" quality to the spells.

This is one reason I think magic (and even in RW magical practice) has a fundamental connection to music, whether as poetry, actual song lyrics, humming, insturments, or just certain sounds that hold power. (Planetary "songs" are one of the best examples of how this connection might be shown.) Perhaps the Weave itself has a sonic resonance! How cool would it be to "hear" the Weave? Come to think of it, that ties in nicely with my idea for crystals as focusing tools for spellsongs, as well as how bards connect to the Weave.... Sage, your thoughts?

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A singing sword seems somewhat Arthurian. Mind ye, an all-elfy Arthurian-style campaign seems workable, if ye aren't nauseated by the notion of noble-minded bladesinging elven paladins, knights, and champions questing and heroing and battling their epic deeds reknown across the land to amuse their loyal subjects and the demands of some uppity god or other.

Songblades and bardblades do seem interesting. Moonblades aren't sentient (AFAIK) so it seems to me they wouldn't be able to initiate songs or do many other bardy things unless activated by their wielder. Still, they might be able to "hum" or resonate in harmony, perhaps even magically echo the singer's voice (perhaps even in real time) in a sort of strange duet. They might provide bonuses to resist sonic attacks, charm or hypnotize opponents with a rhythmic pulsing glow, cast shatter upon striking, perhaps function as a chime of disruption and dispel magic within a certain radius (this last might be something of a bard's analogue of a paladin's holy sword). Such a blade might even polymorph into a musical instrument or have a hilt which can serve as a flute or drumstick. A sword which can be struck against the ground/walls to emulate percussive waves of sound and force would be interesting.

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This is one reason I think magic (and even in RW magical practice) has a fundamental connection to music, whether as poetry, actual song lyrics, humming, insturments, or just certain sounds that hold power. (Planetary "songs" are one of the best examples of how this connection might be shown.) Perhaps the Weave itself has a sonic resonance! How cool would it be to "hear" the Weave? Come to think of it, that ties in nicely with my idea for crystals as focusing tools for spellsongs, as well as how bards connect to the Weave.... Sage, your thoughts?

That's awesome, and it connects rather nicely with my own ideas about how bards in the Realms, relate to the Weave.

As I see it, bards draw the energy required for casting their spells from the harmonious resonances and vibrations of the individual "arcane strands" that compose the Weave. Each and every bard finds their own individual "strand" that they can pluck, and wholly make their own for the purposes of their unique brand of music-magic. In that one "strand" of the Weave, they compose a symphony of the arcane -- tweaking and tinkering the strand's harmonic relationship with the rest of the Weave.

Thus, 'tis Milil's duty to ensure that these individual strands play in harmony and balance, and provide the desired energies for each and every bard, with each and every spell they cast.

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Songblades and bardblades do seem interesting. Moonblades aren't sentient (AFAIK) so it seems to me they wouldn't be able to initiate songs or do many other bardy things unless activated by their wielder.
Bardblades? I'm "borrowing" that, Arik.
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Still, they might be able to "hum" or resonate in harmony, perhaps even magically echo the singer's voice (perhaps even in real time) in a sort of strange duet.
A duet? Most definitely! The scope, range, and capability of a bard's craft could, perhaps, be further increased with the artificial accompaniment provided by the bardblade.

Perhaps, building on my ideas about "strands" of the Weave, each bardblade is crafted from the singular resonance of each strand -- forging a physical connection between bard and strand, and the bard "plays" the blade in order to harness greater bardic abilities that draw their power from the harmonic energy of the strand and, by extension, the Weave.

Which brings me to...
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Such a blade might even polymorph into a musical instrument or have a hilt which can serve as a flute or drumstick. A sword which can be struck against the ground/walls to emulate percussive waves of sound and force would be interesting.

This is something I've already incorporated into my Realms -- musical instruments that can serve as weapons. I didn't think of the polymorph option, though. I merely laid a foundation for bards to individually design their own weapon-musical instruments, like a hammer-yarting, or dagger-longhorn for example.

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I remember seeing a sword somewhere in one of the novels, I think, that had a flute for the hilt. It might have been in a source-book, too, but I'm not sure. Perhaps this is what you're looking for, Sage. I've seen bard's blades referenced, also, or at least there is a pic of one from the 3rd ed epic level handbook, I think. And there are singing swords and dancing swords, of course. Danilo had a singing sword, which he enchanted to sing in his own voice, in fact.

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Posted - 24 Mar 2011 :  08:37:46  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
lol, I stole the term from Bard's Tale (actually first called Tales of the Unknown, Volume I: The Bard's Tale when I played the initial release for the Apple II+, 1985) ... ye could find "Bardblades" (named "Bardswords" in later software releases) and sometimes see them in stock at Garth's Equipment Shoppe.

In this game the bard class could sing (any of six) magical songs which were basically powerful spells; they could sing one song per level before becoming hoarse and requiring an expensive visit to the nearest tavern (each drink replenished one song, lol). Every party had a bard (but not two, since only one song could be played at any given time) because their magics made a big difference (and scaled with their XP levels) and relieved the tedious silence (yeah, no bard in the party equals no background music in this game). The Bardblade/Bardsword was an unremarkably useful weapon with an important ability: it granted the bard the ability to sing/cast more songs without a drinking binge (very useful in the dungeons); I can't recall if the power was limitless or used charges. It couldn't be used by any other class. Now that I think about it, I wonder why any bard in that setting would ever want such a weapon.

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Edited by - Ayrik on 24 Mar 2011 08:51:10
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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 24 Mar 2011 :  13:25:29  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis Danilo had a singing sword, which he enchanted to sing in his own voice, in fact.



Nope. Dan is a tenor; the singing sword in Elfsong was a baritone.

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Posted - 24 Mar 2011 :  13:28:17  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Is that difference important? Not to the general reader, no. But the high note on the chorus is a D above middle C, which sounds more robust and interesting in a baritone timbre.

And yes, the song exists as a melody. Years and eons and lifetimes ago, I scored it for harp, viol da gamba, bodhrun, and optional flute/whistle.
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Posted - 24 Mar 2011 :  14:23:35  Show Profile Send Kajehase a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Wasn't there a bit in ...Dream Spheres, I think, where the sword malfunctions a bit and "loses its voice?"

And by the way, the opening few pages of Dream Spheres, with Lilly in the tavern has got to be among the most affecting bits you've written (in my opinion, at least).

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