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The Red Walker
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Posted - 20 Mar 2011 :  22:41:28  Show Profile  Send The Red Walker a Yahoo! Message Send The Red Walker a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Poll Question:
Would you like to see a new novel centered around a bard as the main character?

I think it's long overdue myself. Their have been a few, but it seems like it's been awhile. I'm a huge fan of music and bard craft , I loved what Elaine did with bards in the past and think Some of the new authors could do them justice as well. Erik Scott de Bie with his musical influence to his characters(ie many have real world"soundtracks" and Rosemary Jones wiher the way she communicates humor come to mind among others.

Choices:

Yes please!
No thank you.
Yes, but it would depend on the author.

(Anonymous Vote)

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Absolutely! I've always loved Danilo, and some of the characters in WotSQ books had bardic abilities. Halisstra was one, and that odd drow female assassin in the LP books. I know there must be others, but can't think of any. I'd love to see (or write!) a new bard story for the FR.

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In some ways it would depend on how bard was displayed. Thus I selected depends on who writes it.

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You know, I was the one who suggested/plotted out a new "class" series of novels -- featuring bards -- back when various series for "The Wizards," "The Priests," and so on, were being published.

Undoubtedly, they are among my favourite classes in D&D [no surprises there, I suppose]. And I've also cherished each and every opportunity for bardic characters that have popped up in fantasy fiction. [I've a solemn hope that we'll one day see a primary bardic character develop in DRAGONLANCE-fiction].

But the various examples of such characters in the Realms, is basically part of what contributed to my fascination with Realms music. That, and Danilo's character reminding me so much of myself.

So, yes, I'd love to see a new novel featuring a bardic main character.

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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

You know, I was the one who suggested/plotted out a new "class" series of novels -- featuring bards -- back when various series for "The Wizards," "The Priests," and so on, were being published.

Undoubtedly, they are among my favourite classes in D&D [no surprises there, I suppose]. And I've also cherished each and every opportunity for bardic characters that have popped up in fantasy fiction. [I've a solemn hope that we'll one day see a primary bardic character develop in DRAGONLANCE-fiction].

But the various examples of such characters in the Realms, is basically part of what contributed to my fascination with Realms music. That, and Danilo's character reminding me so much of myself.

So, yes, I'd love to see a new novel featuring a bardic main character.


How much plotting did you do?

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You guys know about Bareris in The Haunted Lands trilogy, right? Just checking.
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quote:
Originally posted by The Red Walker

How much plotting did you do?

I worked out some vague plot-lines, a few characters, and how the overall stories work against [then] current events in the Realms.

I also offered some tentative titles for each of the novels, based on the plots and characters I worked up.
quote:
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You guys know about Bareris in The Haunted Lands trilogy, right? Just checking.

I do now.

I'm bumping up the "Haunted Lands" trilogy in my "To-Read" stacks.

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quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers

You guys know about Bareris in The Haunted Lands trilogy, right? Just checking.



Yeah...I liked Jim but, Aoth kinda stole the show and I forgot how central he was, especially early in that series.


And Sage , I don't want to ruin it.....but Bareris's "grown" as a bard leads to something quite unique.

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Sage, if you like bards, might I suggest the tales linked in my siggy? He's a drow, but....

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quote:
Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis

Sage, if you like bards, might I suggest the tales linked in my siggy? He's a drow, but....

Interesting. This requires further reading.

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Bardic powers in 4E (in particular their "new" healing abilities) have been points of recurring confusion and contention ... I think the first author who really explores a bard protagonist in depth will have a pioneering opportunity (and responsibility) to shape and create much fundamental "in setting" lore which (apparently) hasn't yet been acceptably defined. A bard antagonist (no mere henchman nor underling, but a properly evil/misguided bastard) would be an even more entertaining challenge. More bard, less Shar.

Bareris (as written in The Haunted Lands) isn't central enough to really command much attention; he is an interesting enough character (if perhaps slightly more emo soft, then more grimly obsessed, than I would prefer in a Bard), particularly when comparing his before/after transition, but there's just too many other characters and story arcs and profound RSE awfulness happening in these novels for Bareris to be really memorable ... I honestly found him and his vampire tramp annoying and impatiently wanted them out of the way so I could get back to reading about the good stuff: nonchalant-yet-meticulously-deadly Szass Tam, of course! I even liked dispicables like corpulent Samas Kul and monstrous Tsagoth more than bland Bareris. I probably glossed over Bareris as much as he seemed to gloss over using his "4E" abilities, so my final assessment of him is certainly biased and possibly unfair. [Sorry RLB, I did (mostly) like your trilogy, but not your bard.]

Danilo has moments where he rocks incomparably ... Finder is much inferior, plus his apotheosis transformed him into a nearly untouchable character ... Elminster's daughter is a little bardy and has some potential in this role ... Marco Volo is actually contemptible, the less of him the better ... no other famous bards really strike my recollection. I would welcome an entirely new character, I'd perhaps even accept an aasimar or other exotic, though a drow bard is too cheap and easy for my taste.

I would think the ultimate bard character would be a son/daughter/nephew/niece of fat old Mirt, created and written by Ed. Ah, the tales to be told, the songs to be sung, the glory to be glorified ...

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More novels is always good, and Bards are fun to read about.

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More novels is always good, and Bards are fun to read about.

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I heard you the first time!

But I appreciate your enthusiasm for my scroll!

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So I'm cheap and easy, huh? *snickers* Never been called THAT before.... kidding. Arik, You might enjoy him, though you'd probably like the lady of the tale a bit more. She's a half-dragon (mainly sorceress, but also a bit bard-y) and quite talented.

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quote:
Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis

So I'm cheap and easy, huh? *snickers* Never been called THAT before.... kidding. Arik, You might enjoy him, though you'd probably like the lady of the tale a bit more. She's a half-dragon (mainly sorceress, but also a bit bard-y) and quite talented.



is your hubby's first name Lucky?

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Heh, Lucky Ducky.... MIGHT be!!!

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quote:
Alystra Illianniis

So I'm cheap and easy, huh? *snickers* Never been called THAT before....
Sorry, Alystra, I just mislike drow, a preference that really has nothing to do with bards.

I notice a lack of any definitive female bards in the Realms. Why is that? Especially considering how much appeal female performers have in our society (especially in the minds of young males).

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quote:
Originally posted by Arik

quote:
Alystra Illianniis

So I'm cheap and easy, huh? *snickers* Never been called THAT before....
Sorry, Alystra, I just mislike drow, a preference that really has nothing to do with bards.

I notice a lack of any definitive female bards in the Realms. Why is that? Especially considering how much appeal female performers have in our society (especially in the minds of young males).



Elaine's Elfsong has a couple of female bards featuring. Garnet and that dwarven scetch artist bard, which i always thought was a really interesting spin on the bard class. What was her name again, Morganna?
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quote:
Originally posted by Elfinblade

quote:
Originally posted by Arik

quote:
Alystra Illianniis

So I'm cheap and easy, huh? *snickers* Never been called THAT before....
Sorry, Alystra, I just mislike drow, a preference that really has nothing to do with bards.

I notice a lack of any definitive female bards in the Realms. Why is that? Especially considering how much appeal female performers have in our society (especially in the minds of young males).



Elaine's Elfsong has a couple of female bards featuring. Garnet and that dwarven scetch artist bard, which i always thought was a really interesting spin on the bard class. What was her name again, Morganna?



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Let's not forget the Taleweaver from Mel Odem's Threat from the Sea trilogy. Very well written, I thought.

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quote:
Originally posted by Arik

A bard antagonist (no mere henchman nor underling, but a properly evil/misguided bastard) would be an even more entertaining challenge. More bard, less Shar.
Ahem . . . [koff koff] Did that once, doing it again. [koff!] Ahem.

Exploring the 4e bard skill set is--I mean *would be* interesting, indeed.

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quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie

quote:
Originally posted by Arik

A bard antagonist (no mere henchman nor underling, but a properly evil/misguided bastard) would be an even more entertaining challenge. More bard, less Shar.
Ahem . . . [koff koff] Did that once, doing it again. [koff!] Ahem.

Exploring the 4e bard skill set is--I mean *would be* interesting, indeed.

Cheers



Of course! Greyt is my favorite character in Ghostwalker, followed closely by his son Meris (though I realised that only in last 5-6 chapters, for reasons I won't spoil ).

Though that druid ghost was cool too... and that roguish knight with the dagger-chain thingy... hmmmm, makes me want to read that one again, which is not good news, considering my own to-read list!

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quote:
Originally posted by Kilvan

quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie

quote:
Originally posted by Arik

A bard antagonist (no mere henchman nor underling, but a properly evil/misguided bastard) would be an even more entertaining challenge. More bard, less Shar.
Ahem . . . [koff koff] Did that once, doing it again. [koff!] Ahem.

Exploring the 4e bard skill set is--I mean *would be* interesting, indeed.

Cheers



Of course! Greyt is my favorite character in Ghostwalker, followed closely by his son Meris (though I realised that only in last 5-6 chapters, for reasons I won't spoil ).

Though that druid ghost was cool too... and that roguish knight with the dagger-chain thingy... hmmmm, makes me want to read that one again, which is not good news, considering my own to-read list!



I hated Meris and Greyt was a SOB of a bard.

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I find bardic magic too 'limited.' Though I like Bareris ---and that's not because or only because he's a bard--- I don't think a novel featuring a bard as main protagonist would grab me. I prefer to hear "music is magic" used figuratively, not literally. The latter sounds odd to me; so bards and all other spellsingers [in or outside FR] don't interest me. Incidentally, I edited a novel that featured a spellsinger hero. However, [unlike bards] other than music, he had other far more interesting means to channel magic.

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