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Originally posted by Quale

I don't have the books right now, but maybe they are people from the Sorcerer's Isle. They were Netherese that took on an Imaskari fashion, whatever that means, artificers. I remember Steven Schend posting that years ago.

Also Dragon Magazine has spellweaver ruins in the Tortured Lands, you could make the racial connection to the thri-kreen, or even Jergal.

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Originally posted by Dalor Darden

I like the link to Jergal though; because that would actually tie in a bit with "The Three" and their quests in the area to ascend!

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Hi again, all. Ed just sent me another e-mail, in which he regretfully noted that Jergal is too NDA'd for him to say much about Jergal's mortal existence before ascension. However, he added this enigmatic comment:

Much has yet to be revealed about the spellweaver race and about the racial past/development of the thri-kreen. Both of which have a connection to Jergal (in one case to his mortal self AND his divine self, and in the other only to his divine self).
There. NDAs avoided by one of deftest dances I've had to do in a long time. :}

So saith Ed. Who promises a reply to Joran re paladinhood, next.
love,
THO

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Originally posted by Quale

Great idea with the Three, forgot about them.

It's the ecology of the Spellweaver, Dragon 338.

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Originally posted by Quale

Also Dragon Magazine has spellweaver ruins in the Tortured Lands, you could make the racial connection to the thri-kreen, or even Jergal.

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Originally posted by Quale

If you don't have the Dragon Magazines, I think this product would be worth the money

http://paizo.com/dragon/products/issues/specialIssues/v5748btpy7vq1

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Originally posted by The Sage

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Originally posted by Dalor Darden

I like the link to Jergal though; because that would actually tie in a bit with "The Three" and their quests in the area to ascend!

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The Spellweaver/Jergal link is always an interesting concept, each and every time its brought up, because it plays on Eric Boyd's theory in the DUNGEON #130 web supplement that suggests Jergal was a Spellweaver. It isn't actually Realms canon though; it's merely a possibility offered by Eric for his "Age of Worms" conversion notes.

However, Ed offered a tantalising tidbit during a recent Jergal/Spellweaver discussion here at Candlekeep, back in May:-

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Hi again, all. Ed just sent me another e-mail, in which he regretfully noted that Jergal is too NDA'd for him to say much about Jergal's mortal existence before ascension. However, he added this enigmatic comment:

Much has yet to be revealed about the spellweaver race and about the racial past/development of the thri-kreen. Both of which have a connection to Jergal (in one case to his mortal self AND his divine self, and in the other only to his divine self).
There. NDAs avoided by one of deftest dances I've had to do in a long time. :}

So saith Ed. Who promises a reply to Joran re paladinhood, next.
love,
THO

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Originally posted by Markustay

'The Horreb'? Where did you read that?

Don't forget to mention my favorite Orc sub-species, the Ondonti.

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Originally posted by Markustay

DDi, I take it?

That's probably why it doesn't sound at all familiar.

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I'll be able to use this most certainly...perhaps even making the Horreb the Thri-Kreen. It speaks in the Ruins of Adventure that the Thri-Kreen once had a powerful nation of some sort before humans came.

Does anyone have the tidbit of information concerning this from the Computer Game Pool of Radiance...it was concerning the Thri-Kreen and how humans were first seen as a meal, then later they were no longer soft (because of armor) and had magic that outstripped the Thri-Kreen?

Something like that...

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Originally posted by Markustay

I think there are two variants of thri-Kreen - there is a more advanced version with four arms, and a more primitive 'tauric' version that uses only two of its upper appendages as arms, and walks on the other four. Although I got that idea from the differeing art for that crature over the years, I did indeed find a more primitive 'model' somewhere in canon (core D&D canon, that is).

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I think there are two variants of thri-Kreen - there is a more advanced version with four arms, and a more primitive 'tauric' version that uses only two of its upper appendages as arms, and walks on the other four. Although I got that idea from the differeing art for that crature over the years, I did indeed find a more primitive 'model' somewhere in canon (core D&D canon, that is).

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yea, there are two types of thri-kreen, civilized Jeral and barbaric Tok'sa

the tohr-kreen are the same as the thri-kreen, only slightly bigger, better diet, sedentary culture

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Originally posted by Quale

fortunately that's how they are called in Athas, lol

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Maram’s designs on the region were cut short, however, when in the Year of Sycophants (–357 DR) an unlikely coalition joined forces to confront the ancient primordial. Marching north alongside Horreb artificers came the war wizards of Barze, the horse nomads of Varm, the gnoll warriors of Flindyke, the goliath hunters of Mount Akoro, and the gnomehammers of Forharn. This bizarre alliance was led by three equally improbable heroes hailing from lands beyond the Moonsea North: a shadowy assassin, a brooding necromancer, and a dour warlord.

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Opanrael the Sage
As Master Librarian and Head Curator at Mantor’s Library, Opanrael the Sage is knowledgeable about a great many subjects, though he is especially astute in the field of world religion and its history. When the characters inquire about the Horreb ritual cube at Mantor’s Library, read: Recognizing at once the significance of the ancient relic, the Master Librarian shuffles you quickly into his private study. “What you hold there, my friends,” the old sage begins, his typically cold eyes now alight with keen interest, “is a Horreb cube. Only a dozen, more or less, are thought to have survived the fall of that once great civilization.”

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Entry 9
The Grand Historian’s Records of the Arts of War.
This moldering old tome is strongly moralistic,
attempting to set forth the proper principals of government
in times of warfare. From the crumbling
pages comes the following passage:
At this time there ruling the Twisted Ones was a powerful
general named Tyranthraxus. He strode before his armies
cloaked in flame and led the Riders out of the Waste. At
his hand the kingdom of Barze was conquered. Turning
south he led his army to conquer the Horreb and the Vane.
Tyranthraxus was a cruel man and leveled all that he
had taken, murdering the princes of these lands. But the
flame that surrounded him consumed him, destroying his
body. Freed of its shell, it flew among the men of his army,
lighting on each and claiming it. It was then when Baron
Schodt imprisoned Tyranthraxus in a vial of water which
shone like the light of day. This he sank in the watery depths
of Lake Longreach, thus defeating the armies Tyranthraxus
had raised.

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Jeral?

Jergal?

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fortunately that's how they are called in Athas, lol

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well, it is now a fact that all worlds are tied together! I can still make the connection.

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Here are some choice excepts from the piece:

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Maram’s designs on the region were cut short, however, when in the Year of Sycophants (–357 DR) an unlikely coalition joined forces to confront the ancient primordial. Marching north alongside Horreb artificers came the war wizards of Barze, the horse nomads of Varm, the gnoll warriors of Flindyke, the goliath hunters of Mount Akoro, and the gnomehammers of Forharn. This bizarre alliance was led by three equally improbable heroes hailing from lands beyond the Moonsea North: a shadowy assassin, a brooding necromancer, and a dour warlord.

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Opanrael the Sage
As Master Librarian and Head Curator at Mantor’s Library, Opanrael the Sage is knowledgeable about a great many subjects, though he is especially astute in the field of world religion and its history. When the characters inquire about the Horreb ritual cube at Mantor’s Library, read: Recognizing at once the significance of the ancient relic, the Master Librarian shuffles you quickly into his private study. “What you hold there, my friends,” the old sage begins, his typically cold eyes now alight with keen interest, “is a Horreb cube. Only a dozen, more or less, are thought to have survived the fall of that once great civilization.”

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Entry 9
The Grand Historian’s Records of the Arts of War.
This moldering old tome is strongly moralistic,
attempting to set forth the proper principals of government
in times of warfare. From the crumbling
pages comes the following passage:
At this time there ruling the Twisted Ones was a powerful
general named Tyranthraxus. He strode before his armies
cloaked in flame and led the Riders out of the Waste. At
his hand the kingdom of Barze was conquered. Turning
south he led his army to conquer the Horreb and the Vane.
Tyranthraxus was a cruel man and leveled all that he
had taken, murdering the princes of these lands. But the
flame that surrounded him consumed him, destroying his
body. Freed of its shell, it flew among the men of his army,
lighting on each and claiming it. It was then when Baron
Schodt imprisoned Tyranthraxus in a vial of water which
shone like the light of day. This he sank in the watery depths
of Lake Longreach, thus defeating the armies Tyranthraxus
had raised.

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