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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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 Posted - 17 Nov 2010 : 05:08:19
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Originally posted by Brimstone
So I couldnt find these articles:
Countdown to the Realms: Magic in the Forgotten Realms, Spellplgue the Wailing Years, and Year of the Ageless One.
Also cant find Grand History of the Realms: The Moonshaes.
Does anybody know where they went? Or did somebody save them somewhere?
As to where they moved them, I couldn't tell you. I've got copies of them, though -- PM me your addy and I'll send them to you.  |
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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 17 Nov 2010 05:15:46 |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 17 Nov 2010 : 05:45:28
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Originally posted by Brimstone
So I couldnt find these articles:
Countdown to the Realms: Magic in the Forgotten Realms, Spellplgue the Wailing Years, and Year of the Ageless One.
Also cant find Grand History of the Realms: The Moonshaes.
Does anybody know where they went? Or did somebody save them somewhere?
That's strange, because I only just recently accessed the "Year of the Ageless One" article late last week... and using the old archived address I'd had stored for over a year.
Anyways, Brimstone, you should know by now that if you're looking for anything like this, either Wooly or myself stand ready to assist. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 21 Nov 2010 : 09:34:48
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| I can't find those articles. I would hate for the Realmslore in those articles to disappear. It's frustrating how careless WotC is with the non DDI Realms articles in my opinion. I would like to add those links to the first post on this scroll if I can. |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3286 Posts |
Posted - 21 Nov 2010 : 21:12:28
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PM sent.
Thanks guys. |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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UkplayerX
Acolyte
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Nov 2010 : 16:34:06
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| If you know where to look you can get nearly all the 1,2 and 3e FRCS stuff!! The_Silversword knows what i mean!! |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 29 Nov 2010 : 18:34:51
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Originally posted by UkplayerX
If you know where to look you can get nearly all the 1,2 and 3e FRCS stuff!! The_Silversword knows what i mean!!
I hope you're only referring to legally available material, because we neither encourage nor condone discussions of illegal downloads. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 29 Nov 2010 : 23:32:27
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by UkplayerX
If you know where to look you can get nearly all the 1,2 and 3e FRCS stuff!! The_Silversword knows what i mean!!
I hope you're only referring to legally available material, because we neither encourage nor condone discussions of illegal downloads.
Seconded. Let's try to adhere to the dictates of the Candlekeep Code of Conduct in this matter. |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 10 Dec 2010 : 04:57:11
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Matt James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
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Posted - 10 Dec 2010 : 19:20:56
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Originally posted by Fellfire
We would never do anything without the approval of the Senate
Sorry, this literally made me laugh out loud. I love CK :) |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 22 Dec 2010 : 08:50:45
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I'm under the impression that everything from the www.wizards.com website is still legal?
It seems to me that if a decision was made to discontinue the official downloads or make them "illegal" then they would be entirely removed from the webserver, or require some sort of password to access/unlock/decrypt them. The content itself is still there - where the public and the search engines can easily retrieve it - even if the links which lead to it are bad, dead, or simply gone. True or false? |
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The Sage
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Dec 2010 : 09:19:33
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| And now the trickier question. Candlekeep obviously does not condone links to pirated material. But what of material that was once *free official downloads* and has since been culled away without any official comment or response? Both from TSR/Wizards and from third parties? Does Candlekeep assert an official position on posting links to archives of such material? |
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The Sage
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 22 Dec 2010 : 11:55:14
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Originally posted by Arik
And now the trickier question. Candlekeep obviously does not condone links to pirated material. But what of material that was once *free official downloads* and has since been culled away without any official comment or response? Both from TSR/Wizards and from third parties? Does Candlekeep assert an official position on posting links to archives of such material?
So far as I know, the only legal free source I know of for old TSR/WotC downloads is the WotC site itself.
That's one of the points that not everyone seems to get: it doesn't matter if something is free or not, what matters is whether or not someone was given the rights to distribute the material. If they weren't licensed to distribute TSR/WotC's material, then they cannot legally do so, and we can not condone sending people to the site. Even with no money changing hands, if they aren't licensed to distribute the material, it's piracy. |
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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 22 Dec 2010 11:56:23 |
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Jakk
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Dec 2010 : 05:14:00
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And in my opinion, it's why we need a revision of copyright law to account for the ease of distribution of digital media. If a publisher isn't going to keep a product "in print" in some form (including PDF or even just an electronic plain-text file), then their copyright should expire immediately. This should apply to previous versions of revised publications as well, of course, such as (in this case) previous editions. Keeping publications electronically available for a nominal fee is easy to do, and maybe it would be taken more seriously if it meant the survival of the copyright on said publications. But then, I'm a left-wing pseudo-anarchist, so maybe my politics are affecting my perspective on copyright law here.
Edit: Either way, until the Edition Police kick down my door and repossess my hard copy library, I'm content to simply ignore the new product being turned out. In the event of such a thing happening, it would probably motivate me to take up a more Machiavellian hobby.  The unfortunate thing is that, for newer players who missed out on the older products, there is no legal recourse.  |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 23 Dec 2010 : 05:51:38
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Well, there is a legal recourse - they can purchase the physical old-edition copies from eBay/etc. Transfer of ownership, private sales, perfectly legal (even where products, like software, have eula/disclaimers which claim otherwise, which aren't legally enforceable most places in North America, btw). Your proposed copyright revisions aren't workable, Jakk (which is to say that although the MPAA/RIAA would love to write such stuff into their DMCA, it's probably "too unfair" for the consumers to accept without a lot of sugar-coated lobbying).
Of course obtaining a full set of lost edition rulebooks is not cheap. Especially since the grognards and collectors are always hunting for 'em as well. Besides, the kids want the snazzy artwork, better organization, and easy-to-digest text windows of the newer editions*; old Gygax books are stuffy and convoluted and impossibly arbitrary in comparison, and aren't going to draw in new players.
* I'd almost be willing to bet that the way to finally kill piracy of old D&D stuff would be to actually provide free official downloads of the material - ugly plaintext; stripped of all illustration, formatting, and nicety. Nobody's going to bother to scan and distribute or download stuff that's already officially available, yet the "market" will still want to buy the latest/greatest print edition they can get.
Hmphf, edition police. Bah.
They can have my 1E Dungeon Master's Guide when they pry it from my cold, undead hands. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 01 Jan 2011 : 07:25:19
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| I recently discovered the Wizards Adventure Archive. Tons of modules, old and new(er), official free downloads. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 May 2011 : 08:29:30
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| Bump! |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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bladeinAmn
Learned Scribe
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
3131 Posts |
Posted - 07 Sep 2011 : 21:56:16
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| Anyone remember "Terrible Trouble at Tragidore?" My first adventure :) |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
7970 Posts |
Posted - 07 Sep 2011 : 22:11:20
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| I would suggest downloading every link in this scroll while you still can. Even the Wayback Machine must conform to legal demands (and polite requests) made by copyright holders ... Wizbro has removed all this material from their site (which would've required very deliberate and methodical effort on their part), and one never knows when Wizbro will decide to politely ask/threaten archive sites to remove all non-current non-DDI material from public domain forever. |
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Thelonius
Senior Scribe
Spain
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Posted - 07 Sep 2011 : 22:31:39
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| I already downloaded everything when I saw some of the material gone. you never know when you are gonna need some Realms extra material |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 08 Sep 2011 : 04:59:48
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Originally posted by Ayrik
I would suggest downloading every link in this scroll while you still can. Even the Wayback Machine must conform to legal demands (and polite requests) made by copyright holders ... Wizbro has removed all this material from their site (which would've required very deliberate and methodical effort on their part), and one never knows when Wizbro will decide to politely ask/threaten archive sites to remove all non-current non-DDI material from public domain forever.
I'm not convinced it's gone from their site... I've mentioned more than once files that were posted on the Wizards site back in 2000, that no longer have links -- or even references to them! -- anywhere on the Wizards site, but that are still out there. Wizards has a long history of shuffling stuff around without bothering to update anything, and I think that's what's happened here. Seriously, if this stuff was going to be taken down, it should have happened at the same time as the inexplicable decision to suspend all legal pdf sales. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 08 Sep 2011 : 05:30:39
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| You may be right, Wooly, but I strongly suspect this time you aren't. If Wizards still has ye olde 2E material (for example) anywhere on their site they have very explicitly instructed the google bots to avoid and unlist it. A specific example might be a complex google search for Volo's Guide to All Things Magical ... if the search engines cannot index the material then it might as well not exist. I have of course tried it with other documents I know once existed, I have of course tried it with several other search engines I trust, I happily invite you to look deeper and wish you luck in finding any cryptic new links which might exist. These explicit search parameters have never failed before, but now they strongly hint that the material is quite simply removed from public domain. |
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Thieran
Learned Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 08 Sep 2011 : 15:24:21
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| I concur with Ayrik, as I made a similar experience recently. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3286 Posts |
Posted - 09 Sep 2011 : 16:32:58
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Originally posted by bladeinAmn
http://web.archive.org/web/20050403143759/http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dnd/downloads
Copy & paste it into your brownser heading.
Cool. I think there was some issues going on the wizards site as to whether these PDF's are still legal. People were getting banned for posting that link.
I have been busy. Moved. This is the first internet access I have had from home, and not at work. Then my mother died on monday, and had all of that stuff going on.
Been one hell of a week. |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
Alaundo of Candlekeep |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36779 Posts |
Posted - 09 Sep 2011 : 17:16:52
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Originally posted by Brimstone
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Originally posted by bladeinAmn
http://web.archive.org/web/20050403143759/http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dnd/downloads
Copy & paste it into your brownser heading.
Cool. I think there was some issues going on the wizards site as to whether these PDF's are still legal. People were getting banned for posting that link.
Banned? Wow... Maybe they did take those files down, then... Though I'm still curious as to why they'd wait so long after the inexplicable cancelling of sales of existing pdfs...
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Originally posted by Brimstone
I have been busy. Moved. This is the first internet access I have had from home, and not at work. Then my mother died on monday, and had all of that stuff going on.
Been one hell of a week.
My sympathies to you and your family.
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