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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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 Posted - 14 Jul 2010 : 17:31:12
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I'm in agreement with capnvan on this, as it is the best explanation.
The 'Elven Court' has come both to mean a rather large area of the forest, and also is the name of the settlement within that part of the forest.
Or they could have just used a can of their bat-Mythal repellent fron their utility belts.  |
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Snowblood
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Posted - 15 Jul 2010 : 03:30:52
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| I like the idea that whilst they inhabited the out lying districts, the 'city center' was off limits...... |
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
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Posted - 11 Jan 2011 : 17:10:47
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| I think it was mentioned in FoMD that the drow are expelled by the mythal. And I think it did not extend to the part of Cormanthyr then called Elven Court (remember the book is for around 750 DR, not now). |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 02 Feb 2013 : 21:15:54
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Elven Court: Does this place have a real name?
Seriously... thats like us naming a city 'human court' - makes little sense to me. Its also in common - at the very least it would have a name in Elven (like Eversidh, or some-such). Anyone know of another name for it?
This reminds me of 'Elevn Port' (which we now have a name for). |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 02 Feb 2013 : 21:34:05
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True names have magical power. Perhaps the name is sacred and secret, speaking it in the presence of N'Tel'Quessir (or any elves "tainted" by outsiders) might be forbidden.
Elves might call it Elven Court in front of others as thinly-disguised arrogance, a subtle way to insult all the non-elven courts. It would be like a human constantly reminding a halfling that Cormyr's royals and nobility and War Wizards are humans. |
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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 03 Feb 2013 : 00:17:15
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 03 Feb 2013 : 02:49:19
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Originally posted by Markustay
*** Rez Scroll ***
Elven Court: Does this place have a real name?
Seriously... thats like us naming a city 'human court' - makes little sense to me. Its also in common - at the very least it would have a name in Elven (like Eversidh, or some-such). Anyone know of another name for it?
This reminds me of 'Elevn Port' (which we now have a name for).
From Cormanthyr:-
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This place, established in Corellon's name as a place of decision and judgment, became Elven Court.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 03 Feb 2013 : 16:45:17
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I could show you a history book that has information on 'the Clovis People'... but I'm pretty sure they never called themselves that. 
And there are literally hundreds of other RW examples. What people call something today (and an FR sourcebook can be considered in in-game history book) may not be what it was called by the people who built it. The Citadel of the Raven is an obvious example of this.
A very good large-scale example of this we can see in Dwarves Deep - the Dwarves have their own names for most of the geography of Faerūn.
This should fall into the same category as the Elven Port, which Erik Boyd provided a name for (and re-discovered) recently. The Elven Port was never really "Elven Port" - thats just what folks called it.
Since the map I am currently working on is so far removed from canon its barely even FR anymore, I am not sure why this even mattered to me. I could just call it whatever I want. I wonder if its possible to be a 'Canon Addict'. As much as I keep trying to divorce myself from it, I keep finding myself drifting back.
And you know what they say... junkies always find each other... |
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Feb 2013 : 16:51:34
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| I imagine the name would be ____ tel'quess - the blank being whatever the elvish word for court is. "Court of the People" or "Elven Court" are common translations of the simple, straightforward name the place was given long ago. Perhaps it was not meant as a place name and simply as a descriptor, but it stuck and there it is 6000 years later. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 03 Feb 2013 : 17:16:22
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Originally posted by The Masked Mage
I imagine the name would be ____ tel'quess - the blank being whatever the elvish word for court is. "Court of the People" or "Elven Court" are common translations of the simple, straightforward name the place was given long ago. Perhaps it was not meant as a place name and simply as a descriptor, but it stuck and there it is 6000 years later.
In other words, it's The People's Court! (Dada dum!) |
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The Masked Mage
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Posted - 03 Feb 2013 : 17:32:26
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Yes, one minute to Wapner. I had you in there! You were in there! The defendant, the plaintiff, you had it all. They are in there making legal history. *Legal history!*
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 03 Feb 2013 : 17:55:15
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Okay, so I decided to go with Eversidh (Ever meaning something akin to "Elves only" and 'Sidh' being an old Gaelic word for 'Faerie court').
Anyhow, now I decided that the Mayor (High Elder) of Eversidh is named Waapnir, and he has a 'special' bailiff (court herald) that likes to say "Time for Wapner" (He's also known to indiscriminately blurt out other odd things, like "Very sparkly", "I'm a good coach-driver", and "I'm not wearing my Small clothes".)  |
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Alystra Illianniis
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 04 Feb 2013 : 01:30:12
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Originally posted by Markustay
I could show you a history book that has information on 'the Clovis People'... but I'm pretty sure they never called themselves that.
Well, yeah.
My point, though, was simply to indicate that it was pretty definitive that "Elven Court" was probably the only name for the location that's been incorporated into the Realmslore. Whether there was actually a proper elven name for the location [however likely], it doesn't appear to have made it into the setting lore. |
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 23 Feb 2013 : 09:47:19
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| I think 'Elven Court' is a translation of the Elven term, just as Elven surnames like Moonflower, Moonblade etc. are assumed to be translations into Common. |
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TBeholder
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Posted - 05 Mar 2013 : 20:34:17
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Originally posted by Snowblood
removing all taints of the drow and other fell creatures from the site,..
See Cormanthyr. This means "taint" back from the Dark Court Slaughter when drow came and go, but just to make a point left some souvenirs behind. Little things like the curse which made all water brought within Darkwoods turn dark-purple and poisonous (for non-drow elves only) or a gate randomly summoning spiders. The drow already were competitive by this time, so there probably was a lot of wildly varying and inventively annoying stuff like this scattered all over the place. Either way Cormanthans just gave up and left Darkwoods alone, only patrolling the borders to keep monsters away, until The Third Court Crusade you quoted.
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Originally posted by Ayrik
Elves might call it Elven Court in front of others as thinly-disguised arrogance, a subtle way to insult all the non-elven courts. It would be like a human constantly reminding a halfling that Cormyr's royals and nobility and War Wizards are humans.
Ever paid attention to the elven nomenclature for things? They are completely self-sufficient in this regard and routinely use it to puff up even without any external witnesses... 
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Originally posted by The Masked Mage
I imagine the name would be ____ tel'quess - the blank being whatever the elvish word for court is.
...just like, as Markustay mentioned on the previous page, it's Elven High Magic, "Arselu'Tel'Quess". |
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