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Sylrae
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Jakk
Great Reader
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 Posted - 26 Jun 2010 : 23:38:34
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Originally posted by Sylrae
Well, sucks to see him go. But with the work he's done my advice would be to phone up paizo and see if that leads anywhere.
They seem to have much more respectable business practices, though they are a smaller company.
Without naming other names here, in my experiences, "more respectable business practices" and "smaller companies" tend to go hand-in-hand. This is part of why I'm a Paizo customer now, but the biggest reason is that Paizo is producing gaming materials that I want to buy, and Wizbro isn't. Plain and simple.
I'm also sorry to hear about Phil leaving. It doesn't fill me with confidence in the future of Wizbro, but neither did the departure of the others who have left in recent years. 
Edit: Oh, and Sage: It could be worse than that. We could be talking about the colours and flavours of armour as significantly representative of the honour and valour of their wearers. Is the armour some sort of heraldry, or is it pseudomagical and some sort of full-body mood ring? 
Silly Americans and their truncated spellings... although, I do agree with them with respect to words like "analyze" and "prioritize"... Z doesn't get nearly enough press in English... but for the love of all the gods, it's "zed", NOT "zee"! 
Anyway, I'll stop there. Don't get me started on a silly topic, because I can and will take it to the furthest extremities of silliness.  |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Jun 2010 : 00:35:06
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Originally posted by Jakk
Edit: Oh, and Sage: It could be worse than that. We could be talking about the colours and flavours of armour as significantly representative of the honour and valour of their wearers. Is the armour some sort of heraldry, or is it pseudomagical and some sort of full-body mood ring?
Silly Americans and their truncated spellings... although, I do agree with them with respect to words like "analyze" and "prioritize"... Z doesn't get nearly enough press in English... but for the love of all the gods, it's "zed", NOT "zee"!
Anyway, I'll stop there. Don't get me started on a silly topic, because I can and will take it to the furthest extremities of silliness.
As long as you all insist on drowning perfectly good fried potato sticks with perfectly good gravy......you say zed and we will stick with zee  |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 27 Jun 2010 : 00:45:58
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No clue what a 'Zed' or a 'Zee' is, but French Fries (called 'Freedom Fries in France) are good anyway you can get them - loaded (chease, bacon, and sour cream), Gravy, or even Ranch Dressing (a bizarre little culinary treat that drifted over to the right coast from those barbarian Californians).
Guess it could be worse - I hear some heathens call them 'chips' (chips are CRISPY, silly!)
And we certainly do NOT 'smoke fags' - in our lingo that means you just committed a murder, AND a Hate Crime! We do not give folks a 'tinkle on the telly' (why do you pee on your television sets?  ), and we do not listen to the 'wireless' (if it has NO wires, just how the hell does it work?)
And 'pissed' means angry - smashed means 'drunk'.
Language is evolutionary in nature, which means the 'latest version' is the correct one - get with the program.
Now for the positives - I really wish we had some of those uber-kewl police call boxes - I could go for some time travel.
All we ever get is some weirdo named Clark trying to disrobe in ours.... |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 27 Jun 2010 : 01:57:09
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Originally posted by Markustay
No clue what a 'Zed' or a 'Zee' is,
It's the last letter of the alphabet.  |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 27 Jun 2010 : 02:06:13
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....ex.. why... zed?!
How peculiar...
'zed' is that old geezer from the Sword of Truth novels. I caught an episode of SciFy's version of those tales... big mistake... HUGE...
barely kept from clawing my eyes out... 
The novels were good, if you can get past the fact that many of the plot devices are nearly identical to the ones in Wheel of Time (to the point where two nearly identical characters have the same damn name!)
Anyway... ummmm... Phil Athans... good luck....  |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
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Posted - 27 Jun 2010 : 10:28:07
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Originally posted by Markustay
Language is evolutionary in nature, which means the 'latest version' is the correct one - get with the program.
To be a bit nitpicky - British English has evolved faster than American (or Australian and Canadian) English. So language-wise it's not the Brits who need to get with the program back at you.
(And the same holds true for Swedish spoken in Sweden vs Swedish spoken in Finnish, anyone know about Spanish in Spain vs outside the Iberian peninsula?) |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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Posted - 27 Jun 2010 : 19:24:19
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Perhaps WoTC are having a "spell Plague" and all off their hired hands "die". Maybe their not selling any 4ed products That would be such a shame.
No ofc its always bad to loose ones job, but hopefully they are seeing the wrongs of their evil ways, when they killed of Mystra!
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Mr_Miscellany
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 27 Jun 2010 : 19:46:15
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Originally posted by Kajehase
[quote]Originally posted by Markustay
...anyone know about Spanish in Spain vs outside the Iberian peninsula?)
Mexican Spanish is a whole lot different sounding (to my ears) than Spanish spoken by a native Spaniard. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 27 Jun 2010 : 20:15:18
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Latin languages are very diverse and very regional, although I was surprised how easily some folks can understand each other.
Not Spanish-to-Spanish, but Spanish-to-Italian!
I used to work in NY city, on a big construction project, and the electricians were all Puerto Rican, and the painters were nearly all Sicilian (and if you called them Italian they got upset!). The painters were mostly recent arrivals, but the Puerto Ricans were all native NYers (but bi-lingual), and they would have conversations - both speaking their OWN LANGUAGE - and they would understand enough to be able to do so.
There were a couple of non-Sicilian Italians there as well, and they said their version of Italian was different from Sicilian (and gave me several examples).
I also used to work in a restaurant where nearly all the kitchen help were El Salvadorians, and I picked-up quite a lot from them. When I attempted to use some of my 'Spanish' with other nationalities, I found-out a lot of what I 'knew' was actually regional slang specific to El Salvador.
Still, they could all understand each other, just like English-speakers can all understand each other. Some accents are so heavy it does make it hard to follow though - I saw a show that took place in New Zealand and they had to use sub-titles, even though they were speaking English (or what passed for it there). I'm sure they feel the same way about us.
Anyway, lets try to keep the hate out of at least a few threads, eh Nicolai? Its never pleasant when anyone loses their job. Thanks. |
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froglegg
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 28 Jun 2010 : 00:35:42
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Good luck Phil.
John |
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skychrome
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 28 Jun 2010 : 02:10:30
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Originally posted by Kajehase
(And the same holds true for Swedish spoken in Sweden vs Swedish spoken in Finnish, anyone know about Spanish in Spain vs outside the Iberian peninsula?)
Hehe, trust me that here in Latin America almost everone laughs at spanish form Spain.
Even though accents here differ a lot from country to country, the Spanish accent is truly out of context. |
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althen artren
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 28 Jun 2010 : 02:18:53
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Kyrene
Senior Scribe
South Africa
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Posted - 28 Jun 2010 : 08:26:11
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Than off coarse thare's Sef Efricen English (I tried to do that one phonetically). We call fries, chips (like I think the Brits do) and even have a version called "slap chips" (not very crispy fried fries; "slap" being the Afrikaans–that has crept into colloquial English–word for "floppy"; goes great with fish or just salt and vinegar). I think what Markus called "chips" are actually "crisps" in the US, right?
Anyway, gimme my 'chips' with plain old tomato sauce, none of that ketchup, please!
Oh, and I'm sure Phil will land on his feet. He has edited some of the better recent Realms books and anthologies I have read.
Edit: Not to mention, thanks for Three-feet, Phil! |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 29 Jun 2010 : 00:47:04
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Originally posted by Kyrene
Than off coarse thare's Sef Efricen English (I tried to do that one phonetically). We call fries, chips (like I think the Brits do) and even have a version called "slap chips" (not very crispy fried fries; "slap" being the Afrikaans–that has crept into colloquial English–word for "floppy"; goes great with fish or just salt and vinegar). I think what Markus called "chips" are actually "crisps" in the US, right?
Anyway, gimme my 'chips' with plain old tomato sauce, none of that ketchup, please!
Oh, and I'm sure Phil will land on his feet. He has edited some of the better recent Realms books and anthologies I have read.
Edit: Not to mention, thanks for Three-feet, Phil!
In the US, little sticks of potato (or wedges, in some places) are called French fries, or just fries. Chips are those wafers of potato that are sliced very thin and lightly fried, such as Ruffles or Pringles (though the best potato chips are Baked Lays! ). |
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Sylrae
Learned Scribe
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Fordy
Acolyte
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Jun 2010 : 16:30:34
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Larloch
Acolyte
Spain
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Posted - 29 Jun 2010 : 18:36:15
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Originally posted by Markustay
Latin languages are very diverse and very regional, although I was surprised how easily some folks can understand each other.
Not Spanish-to-Spanish, but Spanish-to-Italian!
I used to work in NY city, on a big construction project, and the electricians were all Puerto Rican, and the painters were nearly all Sicilian (and if you called them Italian they got upset!). The painters were mostly recent arrivals, but the Puerto Ricans were all native NYers (but bi-lingual), and they would have conversations - both speaking their OWN LANGUAGE - and they would understand enough to be able to do so.
There were a couple of non-Sicilian Italians there as well, and they said their version of Italian was different from Sicilian (and gave me several examples).
I also used to work in a restaurant where nearly all the kitchen help were El Salvadorians, and I picked-up quite a lot from them. When I attempted to use some of my 'Spanish' with other nationalities, I found-out a lot of what I 'knew' was actually regional slang specific to El Salvador.
Still, they could all understand each other, just like English-speakers can all understand each other. Some accents are so heavy it does make it hard to follow though - I saw a show that took place in New Zealand and they had to use sub-titles, even though they were speaking English (or what passed for it there). I'm sure they feel the same way about us.
Anyway, lets try to keep the hate out of at least a few threads, eh Nicolai? Its never pleasant when anyone loses their job. Thanks.
All the languages coming from the latin have some elements in common so is quite easy for a person from one of this countries to understand another languange with the same "base". Some are easy, italian-spanish, and other althought they have the same base are more difficult, like the romanian.
Of course there are diferents varieties. Within the Castilian, how is called the "spanish" language, there are many differents dialects. For example, in Spain, it's not the same way of pronnouncing and the way it is spoken the castilian in Andalusia that in Madrid. This, of course, without considering others languages that exist within Spain like catalan, vasque or galician apart from the castilian.
It's quite complex. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 29 Jun 2010 : 18:44:38
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Language is cool; in the Cartographer's Guild there is a whole sub-forum about Conlangs - I never even knew such things existed before going there! The truly great fantasy world-builders build their own language, or languages, so that place-names will all have a certain similarity in each region.
One of the most helpful FR articles I ever read was Tom Costa's on Torillian languages. It formed the base form most of my cultural history and ancient human migrations.
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It appears Erin Evans (who I beleive was in charge of the Eberron line) has also been given the boot. Wonder what this means for the future of WotC's novel lines.
It mean they will hire kids right out of college for half the money, who will probably do as good a job as the previous guys.
Not a nice thought, but that's how these things work in corporations. |
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Fordy
Acolyte
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Posted - 29 Jun 2010 : 18:47:18
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| I'm not in the know or anything, but I believe Erin was only very young anyway (early twenties). This doesn't really seem plausible. |
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Kyrene
Senior Scribe
South Africa
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Posted - 29 Jun 2010 : 19:42:44
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Originally posted by Markustay
One of the most helpful FR articles I ever read was Tom Costa's on Torillian languages. It formed the base form most of my cultural history and ancient human migrations.
And you don't provide a link for the rest of us enquiring scribes? Tsk, tsk! |
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Caolin
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 29 Jun 2010 : 20:27:54
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Originally posted by Markustay
Language is cool; in the Cartographer's Guild there is a whole sub-forum about Conlangs - I never even knew such things existed before going there! The truly great fantasy world-builders build their own language, or languages, so that place-names will all have a certain similarity in each region.
One of the most helpful FR articles I ever read was Tom Costa's on Torillian languages. It formed the base form most of my cultural history and ancient human migrations.
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Originally posted by Fordy
It appears Erin Evans (who I beleive was in charge of the Eberron line) has also been given the boot. Wonder what this means for the future of WotC's novel lines.
It mean they will hire kids right out of college for half the money, who will probably do as good a job as the previous guys.
Not a nice thought, but that's how these things work in corporations.
You know, this definitely deserves to be in it's own thread, but your comment on regional languages on Fantasy maps dictating land names prompted me to comment on a thought that's been in my head. I watch a lot of geology shows on the History Channel (How the Earth Was Made) and it got me thinking about how most fantasy maps hardly ever take into account how geology will affect the climate and the culture of certain regions. Part of me wants to go over the Faerunian map to figure out what the climate would actually be like for certain regions and what atmospheric and oceanic patterns would develop. I'm curious how close it would be to established lore. Any ways, sorry to go off topic. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 Jun 2010 : 21:00:53
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Originally posted by Fordy
It appears Erin Evans (who I beleive was in charge of the Eberron line) has also been given the boot. Wonder what this means for the future of WotC's novel lines.
Sad to hear, she is a nice person and I really enjoyed her work. |
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Mr_Miscellany
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 29 Jun 2010 : 21:01:52
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Originally posted by Markustay
Not a nice thought, but that's how these things work in corporations.
Lolz. OK, Karnak.
WotC could choose to consolidate under their current/existing staff.
Or they could leave the positions open and unfilled.
That's also how these things work in corporations.
How long 'till evidence of a reorg comes up, I dunno. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 29 Jun 2010 : 21:42:56
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{sigh} You know, sometimes a spade isn't a spade. I was actually thinking about a friend of mine, who had worked for Hewlitt Packard for 30 years, and was replaced by 3 kids fresh out of college for the same salary they were paying him.
They even asked him to train his replacements before he left... corporations have NO feelings what-so-ever.
This has nothing to do with Hasbro, or WotC, or 4th edition, or the Realms, etc... it was just a comment about how these things work. I've seen it plenty of times. I guess when you get used to someone 'casting stones', you just automatically 'duck', eh?
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I'm not in the know or anything, but I believe Erin was only very young anyway (early twenties). This doesn't really seem plausible.
My bad; then it is probably just a consolidation like Mr. Misc. pointed out. Either way, my point as that it probably has nothing to do with the state of D&D or anything else - just a normal, every day, business decision.
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And you don't provide a link for the rest of us inquiring scribes? Tsk, tsk!
It was in Dragon Annual #4. |
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Kyrene
Senior Scribe
South Africa
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 03 Jul 2010 : 23:18:34
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I have never seen (let alone helped, for which the mods have my apologies) a thread stray so far OT before... at least on this site...
Anyway, I've said my piece on-topic (and otherwise) here, so in the interests of trying to get this scroll back on topic, I won't be posting to it again; if something here catches my interest, I'll PM the poster. |
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Fordy
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Posted - 20 Sep 2010 : 11:09:31
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| I don't know whether this has been mentioned on the forum yet, but further to this, Susan Morris has now left WotC, meaning that the entire novel team has gone in a few short weeks. I know Wizards is prone to the odd radical shake up from time to time, but this seems a bit drastic to me. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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