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Copper Elven Vampire
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 Posted - 02 May 2010 : 19:07:55
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 May 2010 : 03:52:08
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why not?! |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2010 : 12:51:08
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Originally posted by dennis
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Jorkens...
Concrete proof is boring and gives us nothing to talk about.
I don't think so... Say, the concrete proof is killing a ressurected Karsus? Will we not debate as to whether it is a good decision, or will making Karsus a thrall a better thing to do? Not to mention Allistair's (who so loves Karsus) vehement reaction if such thing ever happens...
Karsus shall not be slain once resurrected. Such a dastardly thing would make the murder of Mystra causing the Spellplague to be but a minor inconvenience in the realms in comparison to the fallout of such an event. |
Karsite Arcanar (Most Holy Servant of Karsus)
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 04 May 2010 : 00:11:28
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Originally posted by Alisttair
Karsus shall not be slain once resurrected.
That's right. He'd die again without any outside influence. He couldn't handle it before, and he's not been around to make any changes, so he'll simply die again.  |
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Cleric Generic
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2010 : 01:01:48
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Originally posted by Alisttair
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Originally posted by dennis
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Jorkens...
Concrete proof is boring and gives us nothing to talk about.
I don't think so... Say, the concrete proof is killing a ressurected Karsus? Will we not debate as to whether it is a good decision, or will making Karsus a thrall a better thing to do? Not to mention Allistair's (who so loves Karsus) vehement reaction if such thing ever happens...
Karsus shall not be slain once resurrected. Such a dastardly thing would make the murder of Mystra causing the Spellplague to be but a minor inconvenience in the realms in comparison to the fallout of such an event.
You're exaggerating, right? |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 May 2010 : 03:43:28
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Originally posted by Alisttair
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Originally posted by dennis
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Jorkens...
Concrete proof is boring and gives us nothing to talk about.
I don't think so... Say, the concrete proof is killing a ressurected Karsus? Will we not debate as to whether it is a good decision, or will making Karsus a thrall a better thing to do? Not to mention Allistair's (who so loves Karsus) vehement reaction if such thing ever happens...
Karsus shall not be slain once resurrected. Such a dastardly thing would make the murder of Mystra causing the Spellplague to be but a minor inconvenience in the realms in comparison to the fallout of such an event.
While I like Karsus, I must say another death after his (desired?) resurrection is STILL possible. Even GODS DIE. MYSTRA DIED, TWICE. Seems like if there's anything in the realms that ALL inevitably FACE at some point, it's death...Though thinking more about it, I would rather have Karsus back and stay for while...die eventually but not so soon...And die not because he gets defeated again by a more powerful or wise being, but because of some unexpected twists of his own plans. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3286 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2010 : 04:31:49
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I figure Cyric would off Karsus, should he ever return... |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Dennis
Great Reader
9933 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2010 : 04:56:48
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| I'm tired of Cyric. Faerun already teems with mad beings, and Cyric is the very emblem of madness... A mad god wanting to eliminate a mad archwizard. Pass...I want something more surprising...It doesn't even have to be Larloch. |
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Brace Cormaeril
Learned Scribe
294 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2010 : 05:09:32
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Karsus is a being of pure hubris; in this way , he embodies Netheril, Empire of Hubris.
It is nearly impossible for a wizard of Karsus' power to die. Try killing one sometime...pain in the, uhm... rear. The only threat to Karsus, Netheril, Larlock et al. was themselves. Faerun, and Toril as a whole, is better off without them. Mystryl should've known better than to let children play with fire...
IMC, Larloch has a *very* good reason for staying in his hole. And he will stay there. |
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Brace Cormaeril
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 04 May 2010 : 05:15:49
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Originally posted by Cleric Generic
One thing that sci-fi has taught me is that very long lived and immortal beings tend to play a long game. If you live for thousands of years, events so rare that they don't cross the minds of things that struggle to reach 100 years suddenly become more of a worry. In Larloch's case, he's already seen the goddess of magic go bang twice prior to the spell plague, and if anyone could have seen Cyric's little stunt coming it would have been this guy.
It could be that, in addition to instilling some of her divine magicy goodness into the Chosen, other things of notable arcane power also inherited just enough of her spark to maintain the core of their power through the plague. This could explain how Larloch, among others, managed to avoid going nova and recovering rather quickly, and why the more notable wizardy types didn't start vomiting blue fire and exploding like the rest of them.
Sorry for the double post... but I still don't see how *any* lich managed to "survive" (weather, maybe?) the Spellplague. How exactly does a phylactery fare in a Dead Magic Zone? |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 May 2010 : 05:49:05
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Originally posted by Brace Cormaeril
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Originally posted by Cleric Generic
One thing that sci-fi has taught me is that very long lived and immortal beings tend to play a long game. If you live for thousands of years, events so rare that they don't cross the minds of things that struggle to reach 100 years suddenly become more of a worry. In Larloch's case, he's already seen the goddess of magic go bang twice prior to the spell plague, and if anyone could have seen Cyric's little stunt coming it would have been this guy.
It could be that, in addition to instilling some of her divine magicy goodness into the Chosen, other things of notable arcane power also inherited just enough of her spark to maintain the core of their power through the plague. This could explain how Larloch, among others, managed to avoid going nova and recovering rather quickly, and why the more notable wizardy types didn't start vomiting blue fire and exploding like the rest of them.
Sorry for the double post... but I still don't see how *any* lich managed to "survive" (weather, maybe?) the Spellplague. How exactly does a phylactery fare in a Dead Magic Zone?
I don't know with the other liches like Szass Tam. But with Larloch, remember he "communicates" with Mystra herself. And being a goddess, she must have somehow gleamed into her future demise, and must have shared it to Larloch, who in turn devised a series of contingencies to protect himself should the Weave shatter due to the goddess's death.
Or if not exactly her death, Mystra must have foreseen the Weave's collapse and, considering Larloch a powerful and genius spellcaster, planned with him about how to salvage her precious few souls (El, the other Chosen, Larloch himself, etc...). Who knows, she might have imparted Larloch some of her essence, enough to save him from the SP but not enough to addle his mind.
Or if this is NOT sufficient, well, we can say it's mere coincidence. Wizards had different kinds of suffering during the SP, some so grim, while others were just bearable. Some even regained their craft so soon, like Seren (not sure of her name; she's a wizard in Bruce's Plague of Spells). And there is no better elucidation to their plight (and their victory over it, for some at least) as COINCIDENCE.
Or a show of faith might be a factor, also. A number of wizards might have pleaded to their chosen gods to save them save...
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2010 : 14:11:53
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Alisttair
Karsus shall not be slain once resurrected.
That's right. He'd die again without any outside influence. He couldn't handle it before, and he's not been around to make any changes, so he'll simply die again.
VILLAIN! You shall be the first sacrifice in the name of Karsus for defiling his holy greatness!! |
Karsite Arcanar (Most Holy Servant of Karsus)
Anauria - Survivor State of Netheril as penned by me:
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2010 : 14:13:18
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Alisttair
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Originally posted by dennis
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Jorkens...
Concrete proof is boring and gives us nothing to talk about.
I don't think so... Say, the concrete proof is killing a ressurected Karsus? Will we not debate as to whether it is a good decision, or will making Karsus a thrall a better thing to do? Not to mention Allistair's (who so loves Karsus) vehement reaction if such thing ever happens...
Karsus shall not be slain once resurrected. Such a dastardly thing would make the murder of Mystra causing the Spellplague to be but a minor inconvenience in the realms in comparison to the fallout of such an event.
You're exaggerating, right?
Dare I say that the destruction of the resurrected Karsus would cause Toril not to clash with Abeir, but to clash with Athas instead?! |
Karsite Arcanar (Most Holy Servant of Karsus)
Anauria - Survivor State of Netheril as penned by me:
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jordanz
Senior Scribe
553 Posts |
Posted - 05 May 2010 : 05:49:21
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| Hmmm, its very interesting to speculate Larloch's very reason for BEING. Does he need personal power? Nope he's the mightiest mage on the planet. Resources, check. Mystical knowledge? In my opinion, Larloch is on a direct path to divinity. He basically epitomizes magic and the undead. n'tit make sense that he ultimately became a god under those two portfolo's. I could envision him ultimately creating a new form of magic relating to the negative energy that powers undead but with a broader scope than Necromancy.... |
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Elfinblade
Senior Scribe
Norway
377 Posts |
Posted - 05 May 2010 : 11:08:23
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| In what novels does Larloch appear? The only one i can think of is the short story 'Tears so White' by Ed. He must have had some other introductions to become so famous here at the keep no? |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
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Posted - 05 May 2010 : 11:25:28
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Originally posted by Elfinblade
In what novels does Larloch appear? The only one i can think of is the short story 'Tears so White' by Ed. He must have had some other introductions to become so famous here at the keep no?
I cant remember ever hearing about him in a novel. As far as I remember Volo's Guide to the Sword Coast is the book that contains the most information. But this is really not my strongest side where the Realms are concerned, so I might be wrong. |
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 06 May 2010 : 02:58:01
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Originally posted by jordanz
Hmmm, its very interesting to speculate Larloch's very reason for BEING. Does he need personal power? Nope he's the mightiest mage on the planet. Resources, check. Mystical knowledge? In my opinion, Larloch is on a direct path to divinity. He basically epitomizes magic and the undead. n'tit make sense that he ultimately became a god under those two portfolo's. I could envision him ultimately creating a new form of magic relating to the negative energy that powers undead but with a broader scope than Necromancy....
I don't know... imho, if Larloch wanted to be a god, he'd be one already. I think his divinations and such things over the centuries (Karsus, the ToT, the Spellplague) have convinced him that divinity is not a good thing to have.  After all, even post-Spellplague, more gods have died in the history of the Realms than have notable epic-level NPCs...  |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 06 May 2010 : 13:43:18
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Originally posted by Jakk
I don't know... imho, if Larloch wanted to be a god, he'd be one already. I think his divinations and such things over the centuries (Karsus, the ToT, the Spellplague) have convinced him that divinity is not a good thing to have. After all, even post-Spellplague, more gods have died in the history of the Realms than have notable epic-level NPCs...
Once Karsus returns, he will be convinced otherwise |
Karsite Arcanar (Most Holy Servant of Karsus)
Anauria - Survivor State of Netheril as penned by me:
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jordanz
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 06 May 2010 : 21:05:23
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Originally posted by Jakk
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Originally posted by jordanz
Hmmm, its very interesting to speculate Larloch's very reason for BEING. Does he need personal power? Nope he's the mightiest mage on the planet. Resources, check. Mystical knowledge? In my opinion, Larloch is on a direct path to divinity. He basically epitomizes magic and the undead. n'tit make sense that he ultimately became a god under those two portfolo's. I could envision him ultimately creating a new form of magic relating to the negative energy that powers undead but with a broader scope than Necromancy....
I don't know... imho, if Larloch wanted to be a god, he'd be one already. I think his divinations and such things over the centuries (Karsus, the ToT, the Spellplague) have convinced him that divinity is not a good thing to have. After all, even post-Spellplague, more gods have died in the history of the Realms than have notable epic-level NPCs...
Perhaps but Divinity is extremely difficult to come by. Look how long it took Vecna from Greyhawk. Speaking of Vecna , I wonder if he's crossed paths with Larloch.... |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3286 Posts |
Posted - 06 May 2010 : 23:05:00
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Originally posted by Alisttair
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Originally posted by Jakk
I don't know... imho, if Larloch wanted to be a god, he'd be one already. I think his divinations and such things over the centuries (Karsus, the ToT, the Spellplague) have convinced him that divinity is not a good thing to have. After all, even post-Spellplague, more gods have died in the history of the Realms than have notable epic-level NPCs...
Once Karsus returns, he will be convinced otherwise
Am I this obnoxious when I go into my Cyric Rules kick?    |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3286 Posts |
Posted - 06 May 2010 : 23:05:53
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Originally posted by jordanz
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Originally posted by Jakk
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Originally posted by jordanz
Hmmm, its very interesting to speculate Larloch's very reason for BEING. Does he need personal power? Nope he's the mightiest mage on the planet. Resources, check. Mystical knowledge? In my opinion, Larloch is on a direct path to divinity. He basically epitomizes magic and the undead. n'tit make sense that he ultimately became a god under those two portfolo's. I could envision him ultimately creating a new form of magic relating to the negative energy that powers undead but with a broader scope than Necromancy....
I don't know... imho, if Larloch wanted to be a god, he'd be one already. I think his divinations and such things over the centuries (Karsus, the ToT, the Spellplague) have convinced him that divinity is not a good thing to have. After all, even post-Spellplague, more gods have died in the history of the Realms than have notable epic-level NPCs...
Perhaps but Divinity is extremely difficult to come by. Look how long it took Vecna from Greyhawk. Speaking of Vecna , I wonder if he's crossed paths with Larloch....
Now that would be interesting... |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 07 May 2010 : 12:50:55
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Originally posted by Brimstone
Am I this obnoxious when I go into my Cyric Rules kick?
Perhaps. But remember, Cyric is awesome, but he is merely a tool of Karsus (the weapon he used to destroy Mystra and in turn, will use to destroy Shar - resulting in Cyric downgrading to the status of Exarch of Karsus.) |
Karsite Arcanar (Most Holy Servant of Karsus)
Anauria - Survivor State of Netheril as penned by me:
http://www.dmsguild.com/m/product/172023 |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3286 Posts |
Posted - 07 May 2010 : 13:39:34
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Originally posted by Alisttair
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Originally posted by Brimstone
Am I this obnoxious when I go into my Cyric Rules kick?
Perhaps. But remember, Cyric is awesome, but he is merely a tool of Karsus (the weapon he used to destroy Mystra and in turn, will use to destroy Shar - resulting in Cyric downgrading to the status of Exarch of Karsus.)
I only thought I was hopeless. |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
Alaundo of Candlekeep |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 07 May 2010 : 15:52:59
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Originally posted by Brimstone
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Originally posted by Alisttair
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Originally posted by Brimstone
Am I this obnoxious when I go into my Cyric Rules kick?
Perhaps. But remember, Cyric is awesome, but he is merely a tool of Karsus (the weapon he used to destroy Mystra and in turn, will use to destroy Shar - resulting in Cyric downgrading to the status of Exarch of Karsus.)
I only thought I was hopeless.
Hopelessly faithfull |
Karsite Arcanar (Most Holy Servant of Karsus)
Anauria - Survivor State of Netheril as penned by me:
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Sill Alias
Senior Scribe
Kazakhstan
588 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2010 : 03:47:10
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You can hear many tales from many mouths. The most difficult is to know which of them are not lies. - Sill Alias
"May your harp be unstrung, your dreams die and all your songs be unsung." - curse of the harper, The Code of the Harpers 2 ed.
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 10 May 2010 : 00:04:07
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| There's already a Cult ot Tchazzar in The Captive Flame (which is an excellent book, btw)...Seems like a Cult of Karsus is on the way... |
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Cleric Generic
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Dennis
Great Reader
9933 Posts |
Posted - 10 May 2010 : 02:59:14
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| I'd love to, but I am planning to start one for TELAMONT TANTHUL! |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36782 Posts |
Posted - 10 May 2010 : 04:26:22
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Originally posted by dennis
There's already a Cult ot Tchazzar in The Captive Flame (which is an excellent book, btw)...Seems like a Cult of Karsus is on the way...
Tchazzar's history is an interesting one. He set himself up to appear deific quite some time ago.  |
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