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Five_X
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Posted - 23 Jun 2009 :  23:07:18  Show Profile  Visit Five_X's Homepage Send Five_X a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
I have a few questions involving the history of Neverwinter. (Research for a novel/Character backstory)
First, when was Neverwinter founded?
And second, should material from Neverwinter Nights be referenced? It's an area that hasn't gotten much attention, sadly.

Tyranthraxus
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Posted - 23 Jun 2009 :  23:55:22  Show Profile  Visit Tyranthraxus's Homepage  Click to see Tyranthraxus's MSN Messenger address Send Tyranthraxus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Try The North source book, you can download it here.

Or you could play the Neverwinter Nights pc games.
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Kuje
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Posted - 24 Jun 2009 :  00:14:18  Show Profile  Send Kuje an AOL message  Click to see Kuje's MSN Messenger address  Send Kuje a Yahoo! Message Send Kuje a Private Message  Reply with Quote
One of the entries I found in the Grand History is:

87, The Year of Hoar Frost – Eigersstor (Neverwinter) is founded.


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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by Five_X

And second, should material from Neverwinter Nights be referenced? It's an area that hasn't gotten much attention, sadly.
Well, some aspects of the games have been canonised, so they're basically useful as reference material. Undrentide was marked on one of the maps in Grand History. And the Wailing Death is apparently canon now, given it's reference in Grand History as well, under the 1372 DR entry. I don't recall there being an entry for Hordes of the Underdark. And I remember Brian suggesting that may be due to the ending of the expansion being difficult to canonise.

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George Krashos
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Posted - 24 Jun 2009 :  01:52:29  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I gave Neverwinter (first known as Eigersstor) a founding date as noted by the Sage. GHotR and LEoF contain more than a few Neverwinter dates that I came up with.

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Jakk
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I was wondering if there has ever been a canonical date set for the renaming of Eigersstor to Neverwinter... I've been through GHotR, but I'll check LEoF before I post this... [thinks about going to bookshelf, remembers PDF, thinks "faster is better"...]

Nope. All we know from that source is the founding date of Eigersstor (as quoted above) and 306 DR (the Year of the Fanged Horde), in which Illusk and Neverwinter repel the Thousand Fangs orc horde, so we know that it was known as Neverwinter before 306 DR. I'll do some more searching; if I find an answer, I'll post it here.

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Jakk
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So far, all I've found (thanks to Google) is the following, taken from a timeline that I know contains some non-canonical data, so take this how you will...

quote:

[edit]ca. 300 DR... I figured a date would be useful... [/edit]
•During this time, the name of Neverwinter comes into common usage for the settlement of Eigersstor as traders begin to realize the benefits of its year-round ice-free harbor.


(From http://www.o-love.net/realms/fr_time_notable.html)

I'll continue to look for something more precise... and canonical, if possible.

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Edited by - Jakk on 16 Aug 2009 19:07:53
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George Krashos
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Posted - 17 Aug 2009 :  00:14:19  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
That entry is from my old "North Timeline" and will be the only ... anything ... you will find on this topic. I never delved into why the name changed but if you need something other than when it happened (as noted, in the early 300s DR), the completist in me has a few thoughts.

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Brimstone
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Posted - 17 Aug 2009 :  01:15:00  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So share those thought's Krash.

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Posted - 17 Aug 2009 :  16:26:10  Show Profile  Visit Hawkins's Homepage Send Hawkins a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yay! Krash lore!

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Posted - 18 Aug 2009 :  06:10:17  Show Profile Send Jakk a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Brimstone

So share those thought's Krash.



Yes! Please do! My theory is, the population grew and diversified, making it not so much an ethnically Northmen settlement, and the name changed as a result (and the source of the name Neverwinter has already been detailed in canon). Beyond that, I'm up for some more Krash lore.

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Knight of the Gate
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Posted - 18 Aug 2009 :  07:12:06  Show Profile  Visit Knight of the Gate's Homepage  Send Knight of the Gate a Yahoo! Message Send Knight of the Gate a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

That entry is from my old "North Timeline" and will be the only ... anything ... you will find on this topic. I never delved into why the name changed but if you need something other than when it happened (as noted, in the early 300s DR), the completist in me has a few thoughts.

-- George Krashos




TBH, Krash, why do you even ask? It's not like there's EVER gonna be a point at which we say 'Nah, keep that to yourself, man'.

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Kyrene
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Add me to the group with hands up and clamouring... C'mon Krash!?

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quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

That entry is from my old "North Timeline" and will be the only ... anything ... you will find on this topic. I never delved into why the name changed but if you need something other than when it happened (as noted, in the early 300s DR), the completist in me has a few thoughts.

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