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Brimstone
Great Reader
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 Posted - 24 Apr 2009 : 04:23:14
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Thanks Scribes and THO. 
Now I wonder where that Dumpster would be. I would go "Dumpster Diving" for some of Ed's Realmslore. 
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 24 Apr 2009 : 05:13:34
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Sure, sure...
We know your just looking for some Pizza crusts and a half-eaten bagel....  |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Barshevy
Learned Scribe
275 Posts |
Posted - 24 Apr 2009 : 05:58:12
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3286 Posts |
Posted - 24 Apr 2009 : 08:28:38
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Well I have a shrink wrapped copy of Dragon 228 on the way via Noble Knight.com  Plus Volo's Guides To Waterdeep, The North, and The Sword Coast. 
Now if only Ed could do a Pathfinder Chronicals book or three for Paizo. 
BRIMSTONE |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Zandilar
Learned Scribe
Australia
313 Posts |
Posted - 24 Apr 2009 : 12:25:51
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Heya,
Currently resisting the urge to make a few long winded observations about Spellfire (it's the novel that drew me into the Realms, but it's not without problems - not all of which can be attributed to the editors chopping large amounts out) and David Gaider (in whose defense I will say that he was bluntly expressing his opinion on a single novel, and not the entire Realms or about Ed Greenwood)... But this talk about David Gaider brings me to the topic of Neverwinter Nights 2 (yes, I know NWN2 is by Obsidian not Bioware - but it's the mental association of the two).
I just purchased Neverwinter Nights 2: Storm of Zehir, and was most interested to find that one of the major NPCs you interact with, at least at the start of the game, is the irrepressible Volothamp Geddarm. He's one of the few NPCs to be fully voiced, and his converse is rather amusing (well done whoever wrote his dialogue!)... Volo also takes on the part of the narrator, and he makes an off hand comment at the start that made me curious - apparently Elminster stopped Volo from publishing "Volo's Guide to the Behaviour of Nymphs" because it was too naughty. Now I'm pretty sure that probably wasn't the real reason, I wonder if Ed knows (or can take a guess, knowing El and Volo) what the real reason was? Or was it really just too naughty? |
Zandilar
~amor vincit omnia~
~audaces fortuna iuvat~
As the spell ends, you look up into the sky to see the sun blazing overhead like noon in a desert. Then something else in the sky catches your attention. Turning your gaze, you see a tawny furred kitten bounding across the sky towards the new sun. Her eyes glint a mischevious green as she pounces on it as if it were nothing but a colossal ball of golden yarn. With quick strokes of her paws, it is batted across the sky, back and forth. Then with a wink the kitten and the sun disappear, leaving the citizens of Elversult gazing up with amazed expressions that quickly turn into chortles and mirth.
The Sunlord left Elversult the same day in humilitation, and was never heard from again. |
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Penknight
Senior Scribe
USA
538 Posts |
Posted - 24 Apr 2009 : 13:36:27
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I have a question that I'm sure one of you will be able to answer, though if Mr. Greenwood has more information on it, I'd *love* to hear it. Was the city of Lothen of the Silver Spires in the High Forest in 2nd Edition, or was it added later for 3.xE? I've been looking at my old 2nd Edition maps but I don't have any that really detail the High Forest all that well. Hmm... come to think of it, I'm sure that Markus can answer part of this too. I'm especially curious since my players and an NPC of mine recently took control of the city after cleansing it from orcs. I'm really proud of them. They did it so well! Also, was Lothen an idea of Mr. Greenwood's for 3E (provided it wasn't part of 2nd Edition)?
Also, since every edition kind of stayed away from the High Forest, are there any parts of elven lore from that area that Mr. Greenwood can share with us? Pretty please? |
Telethian Phoenix
Pathfinder Reference Document |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 24 Apr 2009 : 19:13:39
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Out of curiousity, Zandilar, what year does that game take place in? It appears to be pre-plague, and yet we have Zehir... 
Does it use 4th edition rules?
"Volo's Fieldguide to Nymphs"...
Maybe El was afraid Volo was going to be giving away 'trade secets'.
And Volo-style guides for Golarion would be pure WIN. |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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createvmind
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 24 Apr 2009 : 21:24:49
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Storm of Zehir is last 3.5 expansion for NWN2.
It is pre-plague and introduces the diety Zehir attempting to gain a foothold in faerun. |
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Zandilar
Learned Scribe
Australia
313 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2009 : 00:15:59
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Heya,
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
Out of curiousity, Zandilar, what year does that game take place in? It appears to be pre-plague, and yet we have Zehir...
I think it's 1374 DR, I'd have to start up the game to check (if it even says?). There's also a doomsayer that predicts the death of Mystra in the first town you come across.
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Does it use 4th edition rules?
It's using the NWN2 engine (though they've done some interesting stuff with it, including allowing you to have a self-created party that can interact in conversations), so it's still the hybrid 3.5e rules (computers generally can't implement game rules fully) that was used in the OC and Mask of the Betrayer.
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"Volo's Fieldguide to Nymphs"...
Hmm.. I dunno if I really want to read about Volo's romp with some nymphs.  (On the other hand, if Volo was a girl... )
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Maybe El was afraid Volo was going to be giving away 'trade secets'.
HA!
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Zandilar
~amor vincit omnia~
~audaces fortuna iuvat~
As the spell ends, you look up into the sky to see the sun blazing overhead like noon in a desert. Then something else in the sky catches your attention. Turning your gaze, you see a tawny furred kitten bounding across the sky towards the new sun. Her eyes glint a mischevious green as she pounces on it as if it were nothing but a colossal ball of golden yarn. With quick strokes of her paws, it is batted across the sky, back and forth. Then with a wink the kitten and the sun disappear, leaving the citizens of Elversult gazing up with amazed expressions that quickly turn into chortles and mirth.
The Sunlord left Elversult the same day in humilitation, and was never heard from again. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2009 : 00:30:34
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quote:
Originally posted by Zandilar
There's also a doomsayer that predicts the death of Mystra in the first town you come across.
I guess Mystra was the only one who didn't see it coming. 
quote:
Originally posted by Zandilar
Hmm.. I dunno if I really want to read about Volo's romp with some nymphs. (On the other hand, if Volo was a girl... )
I'm down with that.
Thanks for the reply (and I apologize to the mods - I should have asked her in PM).  |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Apr 2009 : 14:11:38
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quote:
Originally posted by Penknight
Was the city of Lothen of the Silver Spires in the High Forest in 2nd Edition, or was it added later for 3.xE?
Lothen is first mentioned in print in the Dragon #228 Athalantar article discussed above. |
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Penknight
Senior Scribe
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538 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2009 : 15:07:43
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quote:
Originally posted by Faraer
quote:
Originally posted by Penknight
Was the city of Lothen of the Silver Spires in the High Forest in 2nd Edition, or was it added later for 3.xE?
Lothen is first mentioned in print in the Dragon #228 Athalantar article discussed above.
Ok, thank you! |
Telethian Phoenix
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Longtime Lurker
Seeker
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Posted - 25 Apr 2009 : 20:35:29
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Hmmm.
Dear Lady THO and Ed,
All this talk of Volo reminds me of a rumor that was making the rounds some years back. So I thought I'd ask: is there, or is there not, an unpublished Volo story (by Ed) kept under wraps all these years because of its amusing and scatalogical nature?
Or was that just the fabrication of someone wanting to inflate Ed's "dirty minded" reputation?
Thanks. |
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A Publishing Lackey
Seeker
74 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2009 : 20:59:58
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Well, now. I have a similar but different request. I know Ed wrote and published at least one novel (FOOL'S MASTER) before SPELLFIRE, and a lot of short stories, but are there any other completed and professional-quality novel-length works that Ed wrote in his early years? Either published, that I've missed, or never published?
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Blueblade
Senior Scribe
USA
804 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2009 : 21:21:43
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What I'd love to know is: are there any Wizards plans to publish another collection of Ed's Realms short stories? I loved the first one, and it had a LOT of previously-unpublished fiction.
In fact, one of my idle dreams is a poll or contest run by Wizards for "great Realms moments of the past that we'd like to see," or some such, involving Ed characters (so, none of Drizzt's or Liriel's pasts, because Bob or Elaine should write those). Then Ed would write a short story covering that moment or confrontation or big event or just the personal life of a character who right now is only a name.
I'd LOVE to read a book like that. (Hint, hint.)
BB
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 25 Apr 2009 : 21:23:09
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Heh. Blueblade dear, in the words of Ed's now deceased father (a longtime chorister and faithful churchgoer): "Son, you're preaching to the perverted."
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A Publishing Lackey
Seeker
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Posted - 25 Apr 2009 : 21:28:51
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Perverted, eh?
So would that be, as Ed once described you sharing in such situations, "happy bouncing love"?
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 25 Apr 2009 : 21:32:57
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It would indeed.
You HAVE been paying attention.
Which reminds me: Ed commented to me that he has now seen at least the first drafts of the six "Eddie Presents Waterdeep," and has been both delighted by them as "cracking good stories" and for their attention to Realmslore and detail.
So, happy reading ahead for all . . .
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Barshevy
Learned Scribe
275 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2009 : 01:39:24
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
5056 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2009 : 03:36:22
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No, the six novels that have been scheduled or already published (so: Blackstaff Tower by Steven Schend, Mistshore by Jaleigh Johnson, Downshadow by Erik Scott de Bie, all out already, and three more that haven't yet been printed). Word is out unofficially about some of the not-yet-published titles, but I'm not sure if specifics can officially be discussed yet. Nor do I know if there will be more than six books in the series. I'd love to see a "Waterdeep jam" book with Ed and lots of other authors having a wild collaborative story, but arranging such a project seems a lot harder these days than in the elder and wackier times of TSR.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 26 Apr 2009 : 04:28:29
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
I'd love to see a "Waterdeep jam" book with Ed and lots of other authors having a wild collaborative story, but arranging such a project seems a lot harder these days than in the elder and wackier times of TSR.
love,
THO
I wouldn't mind seeing something like that myself. The City of Splendors is home to such a unique mixture of themes and cultures. A collaborative undertaking would indeed be a worthwhile project -- and would, again, underline what I love most about Waterdeep. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 26 Apr 2009 : 05:13:01
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I know *I* would love to revisit some of my Downshadow characters, or any of the awesome personas Ed wrote for the Waterdeep bible. [tease tease]
And the titles of the six Ed Presents Waterdeep novels are all listed in the front of Downshadow . . . but I think I'll let people check for themselves. Just one more reason to pick up a copy at the bookstore, nay?
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 26 Apr 2009 : 05:14:35
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| I'm going to have to figure out how to get hired as a WotC writer, I think, because I really want to see that Waterdeep bible! |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31701 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2009 : 06:32:45
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quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
And the titles of the six Ed Presents Waterdeep novels are all listed in the front of Downshadow . . . but I think I'll let people check for themselves. Just one more reason to pick up a copy at the bookstore, nay?
The last time I checked, they were all pretty much listed at WotC now as well.
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Menelvagor
Senior Scribe
Israel
352 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2009 : 06:50:15
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I've got another question, though it's more gaming related: I read in 'Four From Cormyr', that Azoun and Fee often attend parties, where the PC's can meet them, and talk with them for a minute or so (before Vangey shoos them away). Now, a PC of mine was once a young married man, whose wife had a fling with Azoun, and died in childbirth along with her child. However, she told him that before she died. The guy went king of grief-insane, and convinced himself it was all Azoun's fault. SO in return, he decided to become an adventurer and kill Fee. He plans to bypass the peace-bond on his sword by having the wizard of the group cast 'animate rope' on it, pretend to want to talk with Fee, release the peace bond, stab her (the sword is poisoned, obviously). He really couldn't care much about escaping (I said he was kind of grief-insane).
My question is, is this possible? Could he feasibly do it? Would Vangey note there was magic on the peace-bond? If so, could he not realize it if both the scabbard and sword were also enchanted? And my PC succeeds, what would be his fate? I plan to have Fee resurrected (if she even dies), so no harm there (I wouldn't go against canon), but would that matter to Azoun? Will the fact that the guy is half-insane matter? Will his motive matter? Might it be that Azoun will understand, and decide, 'If this guy is so determined, let's make him an agent of the crown' (somewhat like Storm did in the memory in ELminster in Hell)? |
"Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?
Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly.
How much less them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation in the dust, are crushed before the moth?" - Eliphaz the Temanite, Job IV, 17-19.
"Yea, though he live a thousand years twice, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?" - Ecclesiastes VI, 6.
"There are no stupid questions – just a bunch of inquisitive idiots."
"Let's not call it 'hijacking'. Let's call it 'Thread Drift'." |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Apr 2009 : 07:17:01
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I'm not Ed, but I'd say Vangey has at least Ironguard (Spell Compendium, p125) and Delay Poison cast on both Azoun and Fee before they attend any such party.
Storywise, I'd also put it out there that the character should succeed in the attempt (i.e. he stabs Fee), but the spells of course protect her. Then have Fee recognize him, realize the grief-induced stress of the situation and have Azoun and Fee forgive him in a scene that is 'Ed-esque' with lots of hugging by Fee, fond memories of his wife by Azoun (along with the 'she was utterly faithful to you' speech).
If that doesn't bring the character around to forgiving them and becoming a staunch king's man (or if he keeps trying to kill them), have Vangey and the other dozen war wizards in the room make a spectacular example of him to the other nobles. |
I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
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Zandilar
Learned Scribe
Australia
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Posted - 26 Apr 2009 : 07:53:20
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Heya,
I'm not Ed, but I think I have an idea how this might go... If people want me to sit down and shut up, please tell me.
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Originally posted by Menelvagor
My question is, is this possible? Could he feasibly do it? Would Vangey note there was magic on the peace-bond? If so, could he not realize it if both the scabbard and sword were also enchanted? And my PC succeeds, what would be his fate? I plan to have Fee resurrected (if she even dies), so no harm there (I wouldn't go against canon), but would that matter to Azoun? Will the fact that the guy is half-insane matter? Will his motive matter? Might it be that Azoun will understand, and decide, 'If this guy is so determined, let's make him an agent of the crown' (somewhat like Storm did in the memory in ELminster in Hell)?
From my reading of the situation, it would be impossible for the PC to kill Fee. Hurt her, yes indeed, kill her? Not very likely.
If the War Wizards haven't picked up the guy's insanity via various mind reading spells, and he manages to get close enough to strike her, the chances are Fee will have a Periapt of Proof against Poison, or some other such enchanted item or spell cast upon her designed to stop poisons from harming the wearer, on her. If she doesn't and Vangerdahast is there, the chances are that he would easily be able to produce a potion of Neutralize Poison (and of Cure X Wounds) from somewhere on his person. If he didn't have the potion on hand, then one of his War Wizards in the vicinity would, and if even they don't then a quick teleport to a temple in order to have a cleric cast Neutralize poison would do the trick.
But IF all of this falls through and Fee is instantly killed in such a way that cannot be prevented, then they wouldn't resurrect her because there are laws against any of the Obarskyrs being raised (which is the reason Tanalasta wasn't raised after she was killed in Death of the Dragon). This has something to do with preventing complications to clean succession. Unfortunately, I expect Filfaeril falls under these laws as well as Azoun and his children.
As for the PC, I'd expect he'd be captured and mind reamed forthwith. I doubt they'd kill him, except if he tried to fight back, and even then I expect they'd be more interested in who put him up to the assassination in the first place, and would try to subdue him quickly. After that, I suppose it would be up to Vangerdahast to determine the fate of the poor guy - but the chances are, after all the rough treatment of his mind he won't be up to much. So, in other words, I'd be saying to the player, "Are you really sure you want to be doing that?"! Also, the trouble is, the guy is (partially?) insane with grief, this is not a man who is going to listen to reason (at least not immediately). There's nothing in this story to suggest that the man wouldn't have another go at Fee if he got the chance, and that would likely sign his death warrant. (Oh and if Fee is killed outright, the PC is unlikely to survive the experience, IMHO.)
ETA: OOH, I forgot about Ironguard spells... So yeah, there's no way this guy would kill Fee.
I'm also less sentimental, and I think insanity should be treated seriously - this guy is insane with grief, no amount of begging for forgiveness is going to make this man forgive Azoun. He's unreasonable, and acting irrationally. This is not something that you can fix with a few hugs, IMHO. |
Zandilar
~amor vincit omnia~
~audaces fortuna iuvat~
As the spell ends, you look up into the sky to see the sun blazing overhead like noon in a desert. Then something else in the sky catches your attention. Turning your gaze, you see a tawny furred kitten bounding across the sky towards the new sun. Her eyes glint a mischevious green as she pounces on it as if it were nothing but a colossal ball of golden yarn. With quick strokes of her paws, it is batted across the sky, back and forth. Then with a wink the kitten and the sun disappear, leaving the citizens of Elversult gazing up with amazed expressions that quickly turn into chortles and mirth.
The Sunlord left Elversult the same day in humilitation, and was never heard from again. |
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Menelvagor
Senior Scribe
Israel
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Posted - 26 Apr 2009 : 11:25:13
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Thanks for the answers, first of all.
I don't know. When I asked him to describe his insanity, he quoted Terry Pratchett's Wyrd Sisters regarding Duke Felmet: 'Shreds of insanity surrounding, a strong, utterly determined will'. He was aware there would be spells, which was why I asked the question: I wanted to know which spells and help would be around. The PC was thinking of getting a wizard to cast some nullifying magic [what, he isn't sure yet, although from the description, I'd say he'd need a Dispel (maybe a few of them) and an anti-magic field - it would mean they'd have to drag Fee out of the shield first, by which time she might be dead]. I might give him some help from Zhentarim or Red WIzards if I feel he needs it - they'd definitely agree to it. I too, am more leaning towards the make-up option. But it'll be a bit of a problem
Just a question Ashe: Why would Fee recognize the PC? She doesn't know him (it would seem), and it was Azoun who dallied with his wife. Now, Fee might know all about Azoun's 'rides', but actually recognizing the guy seems a bit far... |
"Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?
Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly.
How much less them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation in the dust, are crushed before the moth?" - Eliphaz the Temanite, Job IV, 17-19.
"Yea, though he live a thousand years twice, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?" - Ecclesiastes VI, 6.
"There are no stupid questions – just a bunch of inquisitive idiots."
"Let's not call it 'hijacking'. Let's call it 'Thread Drift'." |
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Zandilar
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 26 Apr 2009 : 12:45:49
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Heya,
quote:
Originally posted by Menelvagor
Thanks for the answers, first of all.
I don't know. When I asked him to describe his insanity, he quoted Terry Pratchett's Wyrd Sisters regarding Duke Felmet: 'Shreds of insanity surrounding, a strong, utterly determined will'. He was aware there would be spells, which was why I asked the question: I wanted to know which spells and help would be around. The PC was thinking of getting a wizard to cast some nullifying magic [what, he isn't sure yet, although from the description, I'd say he'd need a Dispel (maybe a few of them) and an anti-magic field - it would mean they'd have to drag Fee out of the shield first, by which time she might be dead]. I might give him some help from Zhentarim or Red WIzards if I feel he needs it - they'd definitely agree to it. I too, am more leaning towards the make-up option. But it'll be a bit of a problem
In order for the nullifying spells to be cast, the Zhent or Red Wizard or whomever would have to first get past the War Wizards and Highknights who are sure to be on hand somewhere, and probably avoid the gaze of other benign protector types around (the Harpers, Alusair, Elminster in disguise, Sylune (if it's at the palace, since some of her flagstones are present within the palace, and she may well have had a tip off from Harper agents via Storm), the odd Paladin, or whoever else is present with the best interests of Cormyr/the Crown at heart)... They might even need to avoid other malevolent people who might try to stop them to their own ends. There's a reason the Zhents and/or Red Wizards have been unsuccessful in their attempts to knock off the royals (or pull other types of stunts). Getting at the Obarskyrs is just not something you wake up one day and decide to do, then get it done that same night.
Oh, also, how would this PC know what kinds of spells Filfaeril might be protected by, or is he just assuming "all of them"? I definitely would not tell the player what spells he's going to come up against unless he has a genuine in character reason for knowing... And even then, there's also a very good chance there might be one or two protective spells that are very rare or unique to Vangerdahast's spell books, which he is not going to have a hope in all the planes of knowing about. Educated guesses can only take you so far.
And since you've stated you don't really want him to succeed, well... What can I say? He's going to fail. (Don't forget, as I mentioned in my last post, that Filfaeril cannot be raised from the dead by law, so she has to survive this attempt if you don't want to stray too much from canon!)
If the PC has brought those types in, then he's toast when it's all over. I can't think of anyway he'd be saved from the executioner. Sounds like the player is about to commit character suicide by Good Guy. |
Zandilar
~amor vincit omnia~
~audaces fortuna iuvat~
As the spell ends, you look up into the sky to see the sun blazing overhead like noon in a desert. Then something else in the sky catches your attention. Turning your gaze, you see a tawny furred kitten bounding across the sky towards the new sun. Her eyes glint a mischevious green as she pounces on it as if it were nothing but a colossal ball of golden yarn. With quick strokes of her paws, it is batted across the sky, back and forth. Then with a wink the kitten and the sun disappear, leaving the citizens of Elversult gazing up with amazed expressions that quickly turn into chortles and mirth.
The Sunlord left Elversult the same day in humilitation, and was never heard from again. |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Apr 2009 : 14:57:58
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Originally posted by Zandilar
Getting at the Obarskyrs is just not something you wake up one day and decide to do, then get it done that same night.
Right. The plan is just much too simple: if it was so easy to kill queens it would happen far more often. It would need to be much cleverer, with several more layers, to anticipate and bypass the various physical and magical securities (including personal and local wards, item-borne protections, contingencies and more) that protect such as the Obarskyrs. Just getting a rough idea what those were would involve extensive magical observation (liable to be detected!) or bought intelligence/expertise. All this is why direct attacks on rivals are so rare in these ranks of intrigue: they're likely suicide even for archmages.
The plan would get nowhere near succeeding, and there, perhaps, the dramatic pathos would be.
On the other hand, suddenly playing up this complexity and layeredness might seem a stark change if you've not already done so in the campaign. |
Edited by - Faraer on 26 Apr 2009 15:06:08 |
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