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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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 Posted - 06 Oct 2008 : 16:29:04
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Originally posted by Taurren
Its not a matter of uncaring, its just a matter of the bottom line. WotC believes that the loss of the die-hard FR fan is acceptable when compared with the new sales they can generate by creating a watered down FR. From their stand-point we have been irrelevant to 4E sales from the start.
Unless we happen to like the 4E core stuff. Some of us do.
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But frankly I am surprised that they would come into the "lion's den" to ask for input into future FR content.
I don't think "lion's den" is the right word. Most of us are pretty reasonable and polite. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 06 Oct 2008 : 16:30:13
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Originally posted by Tasker Daze
Given some of the retcons and unexplained changes of 3E, I think the die-hard fans started being written out of the picture back then.
A good point, I think. I was unhappy with the direction setting was going in long before the 4E Realms were even announced. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Oct 2008 : 18:28:01
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Tasker Daze
Given some of the retcons and unexplained changes of 3E, I think the die-hard fans started being written out of the picture back then.
A good point, I think. I was unhappy with the direction setting was going in long before the 4E Realms were even announced.
I can actually say that the Return of the Archwizards was the very first moment when my Realms skewed on a tangent from the Canon realms. I like the story idea of bringing in a big baddy that really gives the powerful a headache, but (and this is key to any good story, IMHO) at the end, defeat the villain. Or beat him down enough that it would take a while to rebuild and threaten again. DON'T just leave the floating there with no resolution.
So, to get back on track, I've not posted to the feedback thread here or on the WizBoards because I honestly can't think of anything constructive to ask for. More lore? Yessir, I'd love another serving! But the lore that's being thrown around is based on a Realms I'm no longer familiar with and don't care about.  |
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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore
USA
1537 Posts |
Posted - 06 Oct 2008 : 19:58:01
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Originally posted by Markustay
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Because what they're hawkin' now ain't D&D....
A-men to that, brutha!
Let me frank (as opposed to being Ed), and say that I have never particularly cared for Vancian magic; I always thought it was stupid, and finally reading Tales of the Dying Earth (20+ years after starting to play D&D) didn't improve my low opinion of it. Still, it was the core of D&D magic as Gygax and Arnesen created the game. In dumping it Hasbro severed any resemblance between 4.New.Coke and real D&D.
Those of us who didn't like Vancian magic could lay it aside and use mana point systems or whatever else we preferred, and still use all of the rest of D&D. I've been in many campaigns which did this, including the first in which I ever played, which was heavily influenced by Arduin. Hasbro's new monstrosity is so messed-up that dropping one part and keeping the rest isn't feasible -- this thing of theirs ain't D&D at all! I break wind in its general direction....
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36781 Posts |
Posted - 06 Oct 2008 : 20:17:33
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
So, to get back on track, I've not posted to the feedback thread here or on the WizBoards because I honestly can't think of anything constructive to ask for. More lore? Yessir, I'd love another serving! But the lore that's being thrown around is based on a Realms I'm no longer familiar with and don't care about.
That's pretty much my stance. I want them to reset the setting and start over again just before 3E came out -- but the only way that'll ever happen is if I suddenly find out I'm Bill Gates's love child and buy the setting away from them. |
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Brunswick
Acolyte
Ireland
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Posted - 06 Oct 2008 : 22:00:35
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Unless we happen to like the 4E core stuff. Some of us do.
I kinda like the 4th Ed rules too but its certainly different to 3.5, thats for sure. I have been running a FR campaign now since 1987 using 1st Ed, 2nd Ed, 3rd Ed and then 3.5 rules, with my regular Saturday group and we will stick with the existing (pre 4th Ed) Realms, using 3.5 rules. However, I am also starting a 4th Edition game on Friday nights, for a different group, using a homebrew campaign world. I thought about also running the 4th Edition game in my existing campaign world (in some other part of the Realms) but the rules, for me, dont feel right with the existing Realms and I dont want to even look at the 4th Edition Realms book. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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7106 Posts |
Posted - 07 Oct 2008 : 01:07:43
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Originally posted by Brunswick
I kinda like the 4th Ed rules too but its certainly different to 3.5, thats for sure. I have been running a FR campaign now since 1987 using 1st Ed, 2nd Ed, 3rd Ed and then 3.5 rules, with my regular Saturday group and we will stick with the existing (pre 4th Ed) Realms, using 3.5 rules. However, I am also starting a 4th Edition game on Friday nights, for a different group, using a homebrew campaign world. I thought about also running the 4th Edition game in my existing campaign world (in some other part of the Realms) but the rules, for me, dont feel right with the existing Realms and I dont want to even look at the 4th Edition Realms book.
That's how I would do it, myself--I'd use the 4E rules in a new (homebrewed) setting. |
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arry
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
317 Posts |
Posted - 07 Oct 2008 : 12:50:23
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Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen
. . . this thing of theirs ain't D&D at all! I break wind in its general direction....
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ksu_bond
Learned Scribe
New Zealand
214 Posts |
Posted - 07 Oct 2008 : 16:41:45
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| I was annoyed with recent events involving all things Forgotten Realms, but with the appearance of Brian's thread asking for input, things said within it and this thread, now I am, for the lack of a better word, upset. I am even border line apethetic, fortunately I can use the down turn in the economy as yet another reason not to purchase the books WotC is publishing with the FR logo...perhaps they thought by sticking the FR logo on it that would make people want to buy it...but how does that saying go..."put lipstick on a pig, you still have a pig" |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 07 Oct 2008 : 17:24:08
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But that the problem - there is O 4e FR logo... everything FR os 'core' now, so thats why it reads like generic slop.
On Jamallo Kreen's post - I, too, hated Vancian magic, and was eagerly awaiting the release of 4e after I heard they were dumping it. O never thought I'd say this, but now I yearn for the days of Vancian Magic.
Its weird, almost every single early announcment made about 4e got my heart racing, because it seemed they were going to addres ALL of the game's faults. Never did I think they would change the game so much that it would be unrecognizable.
How does that saying go? "Be careful what you wish for?" 
On Warmachine - that game ROCKS!!! Have a Cryx Army and enough to build warbands for Kador or Mercs.
On cards - when they came out with updated stat cards for WM, all I had to do was print out the new ones on plain paper and put that in the plastic sleeve in front of the old card. That gave me the rigidity and the back I needed, without any fuss.
And if you don't play with (inexpensive) plastic sleeves, you aren't playing WM right. You mark off your damage with a dry-erase marker on the card itself, and then just 'reset it' for the next battle. As Wooly has pointed out, the system is brilliant in it's simplicity.
Somewhat on Topic:
The fact that they aren't supporting 'old' products anymore leads one wonder why bother with their new offerings? If they keep to their timetable, they will be coming out with a new setting/edition in just four years, and since it took them three years to produce the last one, they will begin working on 5e just one year from now (and start ignoring the 4e line). With that kind of corporate plan in place, they will never have the time to 'finish' ANY edition anymore.
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Nerfed2Hell
Senior Scribe
USA
387 Posts |
Posted - 07 Oct 2008 : 18:00:47
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I could get behind (read: "tolerate") the 4e Realms setting a lot easier if there was continuing support for the pre-$pellplague Realms even if only just in the form of occasional article released as combination 3e canon/4e historical lore... and the people that refuse to make the switch to 4e aren't completely alienated by the 4e-only approach.
The way I see 4e Realms right now is nothing more than a nightmarish alternate reality. It could be a fun or even interesting thing to pop ahead one hundred years (just like we could go back to ancient Netheril) and explore the $ellplague influenced world... but not unless we can also return to the present or wake up from the nightmare. As a lowly commoner living in the Realms, I think I'd rather be swept up in the mists of Ravenloft rather than wake up in this 100 years later in the Realms thing. |
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Jakk
Great Reader
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2165 Posts |
Posted - 07 Oct 2008 : 20:22:17
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I agree with absolutely everything said in this entire scroll, more or less, so I didn't bother quoting anybody; it would have bloated my post unnecessarily. The 4e game system itself wasn't all that bad, if you ignored its pointless changes to the alignment system and took the time to finish what they started and make the system *completely* classless... but by doing the latter, imho, it's not D&D any more. Which is why I couldn't think of 4e as D&D; the classes were all nerfed mono-colour-copies of each other, with a different shade used for each class, and the shading was the only difference.
Markustay and Uzzy: I agree. There was all kinds of development left for the rest of Toril, as I've mentioned in other posts elsewhere. The only reason to blow up Faerun was really to slap Ed in the face and say "Hah! It's ours now!" Kara-Tur and the Hordelands were developed by Zeb Cook; Zakhara was developed by Jeff Grubb (a good friend of Ed's, but not Ed); I can't remember who put Maztica together, but its obliteration was one of the few 4e changes that I agree with, so it doesn't matter. My point is, Faerun was the last part of the pre-4E Realms that was Ed's, and (with the exception of Waterdeep) it's not Ed's any more.
[Edit: Just to be clear, I have the greatest respect for Jeff Grubb and Zeb Cook as game designers and authors, and I love what they did with the Eastern and Southern Realms; my point is, Zakhara, the Hordelands, and Kara-Tur were not created by Ed.]
I would have loved, and quite happily purchased, a 4E Realms set in Anchorome and/or Katashaka if Wizbro wanted something new to invigorate the setting. But no, let's instead ignore all those places marked "Unknown Lands" on the world map and nuke what's established and familiar. That is the biggest slap in the face, as has already been said by Uzzy and others. We are ignored for eight years, then, after they screw it all up (by their account irrevocably), they ask us for feedback, and have the gall to tell us that they don't want to hear our complaints. I'm sorry, Wizbro, but I'm not going to stroke your corporate ego... or anything else. 
Rinona: I like the 4e core stuff too, but mostly to cherry-pick from for my 3.5 campaign's house rules... things like death at negative (Con score) and starting HP based on Con score. Healing surges are a lame video-game concept shoehorned into P&P gaming, and they don't fit. If you've been following my recent posts, you know how I feel about the changes to classes and alignment. I love evil paladins; that's been a house rule for my groups (regardless of who was DMing) since the beginning of 2nd Edition. As far as the class system goes, I think they were trying to make a classless system and then decided that publication deadlines trumped all else, and shoehorned the classes into the same cookie-cutter advancement table. That's why we didn't see barbarians, bards, or druids in the PHB; too much class-specific stuff that doesn't easily fit in the cookie cutter. As for the missing sorcerer, I suspect that there wasn't enough of a difference between sorcerers and wizards in the new magic system for them to keep both classes, and wizards won for obvious reasons.
Nerfed: I agree 100%, and I have campaigned to have all of the pre-4e Realms web articles made available on CD or DVD from the website for a reasonable fee. I suspect I'll be ignored on this, unless 4e Realms tanks horribly.
Uzzy: I *loathe* the fact that we saw no Cormyr 3E sourcebook, and then the first thing that appears in Insider for 4E Realms is a beautiful, in-depth look at the Forest Kingdom that is completely useless unless you buy into all the tripe that 4E Realms is. That, to me, is flaying us and dumping salt on us... forget rubbing it in the wound. I've enjoyed the free look at Insider; it convinces me that there's no way I'm paying for it if it's all 4E-ruleset-based. A large part of me misses the old days of Dragon, when they covered games *other* than D&D... but maybe we've come full-circle there, because a common opinion is that 4E isn't D&D either. I've commented elsewhere (I believe in the feedback scroll itself, if my post hasn't been deleted) about the products that I *would* buy, at quite some length so that Wizbro was perfectly clear on my position. That was fun.  Anyway, this post is quite long enough now. |
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Jakk
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Posted - 07 Oct 2008 : 20:29:02
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| One more point: I don't think we'll see the demise of P&P RPGs in their entirety, despite Wizbro's best(?) efforts at this. I see the demand being picked up by Paizo and Pathfinder, which my group (primarily myself) has been following closely. |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
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Nerfed2Hell
Senior Scribe
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387 Posts |
Posted - 07 Oct 2008 : 20:32:44
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Originally posted by Jakk
I can't remember who put Maztica together, but its obliteration was one of the few 4e changes that I agree with, so it doesn't matter. My point is, Faerun was the last part of the pre-4E Realms that was Ed's, and (with the exception of Waterdeep) it's not Ed's any more.
[Edit: Just to be clear, I have the greatest respect for Jeff Grubb and Zeb Cook as game designers and authors, and I love what they did with the Eastern and Southern Realms; my point is, Zakhara, the Hordelands, and Kara-Tur were not created by Ed.]
I liked all of those settings as part of the world of Toril... yes, including Maztica. In fact, of the lot of them, I'd say I like its concept better than the other add-on settings --even Kara-tur or the Moonshaes.
Also, Anchorome fits above Maztica like a snug hat. How can you like one area and not the other? Maybe its because there's less known about Anchorome due to not enough source material, I guess... whatever, its all gold to me. |
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Zanan
Senior Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 07 Oct 2008 : 20:47:11
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
I don't think "lion's den" is the right word. Most of us are pretty reasonable and polite.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36781 Posts |
Posted - 09 Oct 2008 : 15:48:05
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Moved from the feedback thread...
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Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
What I would like to see...
Well first of all I'm goint totry my best to stay civil.
I would like to know how on earth you explain how Cyric could kill Mystra on her home plane, with The Chosen in existance, Larloch doing what he's doing and Azuth living on Dweomerheart aswell??? No way that could be done. Not while other gods lived too. And no way AO would alow it!!!! You got it wrong there to...
On that note... I will say that I would like the whole design team to go to... well I would like to say hell, but im going to say school. Anything that happens to the realms should have happend by the hand of its creator. I dont care that Ed might or might not have sold the rights to WotC, anyway they should not have abussed it!!! On on very last but fursther note. I will say that I would like to see Shar burn forever in hell. Screaming in complete and utter agony for the rest of existance for the crimes she has commited. Slowly killing her over the next century. And now that we are burning gods, take Cyric and rip him limb by limb until he is no more make him feel what he made Mystra feel. Or even better, make him a mortal and tell us where he can be found. I will by the book, and go ill him, again and again, until my char dies of old age.
And yes reinstate the Chosen... NOW!!!!
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Pandora
Learned Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 09 Oct 2008 : 16:28:19
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| The "points of light" term has been stated often enough as the main concept for 4e Realms. Somehow I cant see how asking us to decide which points of light to choose will bring a good solution, because one of the major good things of Forgotten Realms was that it had a rich and detailed history and many areas had a lot of information to start with. So there will be a lot of fans who desperately want information ... on anything ... or rather on EVERYTHING [that is left after some areas went missing]. Somehow I dont see that mixing too well with the "points of light" thingy in the future, especially since the world is smaller now. They cant really expect us to say "Ok, dont detail the Dalelands, but give us Maztica instead." That wont work ... at least I think so. |
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arry
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
317 Posts |
Posted - 09 Oct 2008 : 17:21:20
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Originally posted by Markustay
Somewhat on Topic:
The fact that they aren't supporting 'old' products anymore leads one wonder why bother with their new offerings? If they keep to their timetable, they will be coming out with a new setting/edition in just four years, and since it took them three years to produce the last one, they will begin working on 5e just one year from now (and start ignoring the 4e line). With that kind of corporate plan in place, they will never have the time to 'finish' ANY edition anymore.
That's the Hasbro business model as far as I can tell. They are toy manufacturers and what was this years best seller is next years rubbish. 'Finishing', as in bringing something to a satisfactory conclusion is irrelevant to that sort of business model. That's their corporate mindset and D&D must adhere to that.
I wonder how long the D&D brand will stand up to the cycle of 'new core edition, new FR, new Eberron, new Dark Sun?, new Who Knows, rinse , repeat' |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Oct 2008 : 17:37:04
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Originally posted by Markustay
I have a can of gasoline... mind if I throw it onto your fire?
Lets not forget that originally WotC bought Brian's book to put online as a FREE resource, but then greed got the better of them and they decided to sell it to us instead.
After Brian had already been giving it away for Free for a couple of years... 
Don't get me wrong - GHotR is one o my favorite gaming resources, but it saddens me to think that it was the very last D&D book ever published.
Because what they're hawkin' now ain't D&D....
Not to mention, how they used the GHotR to launch the Spellplague (and that horrific Tyr/Tymora/Helm soap opera, which they still have not explained in a logical fashion!) forcibly upon us. Even if we decide to just use all Realms books published before the FRCG, we still have that burning bit of info tagged onto an otherwise excellent product. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Oct 2008 : 17:41:52
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Originally posted by ksu_bond
I am even border line apethetic, fortunately I can use the down turn in the economy as yet another reason not to purchase the books WotC is publishing with the FR logo...perhaps they thought by sticking the FR logo on it that would make people want to buy it...but how does that saying go..."put lipstick on a pig, you still have a pig"
Lol. The thing is, they did not even put the FR logo (or even a new version of it) on the FRCG. There is only the 4e D&D logo and the words "Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting." |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Oct 2008 : 18:29:38
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Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
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Originally posted by Markustay
I have a can of gasoline... mind if I throw it onto your fire?
Lets not forget that originally WotC bought Brian's book to put online as a FREE resource, but then greed got the better of them and they decided to sell it to us instead.
After Brian had already been giving it away for Free for a couple of years...
Don't get me wrong - GHotR is one o my favorite gaming resources, but it saddens me to think that it was the very last D&D book ever published.
Because what they're hawkin' now ain't D&D....
Not to mention, how they used the GHotR to launch the Spellplague (and that horrific Tyr/Tymora/Helm soap opera, which they still have not explained in a logical fashion!) forcibly upon us. Even if we decide to just use all Realms books published before the FRCG, we still have that burning bit of info tagged onto an otherwise excellent product.
What was that? Oh dear, that page seems to have been torn out of my copy...  |
I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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15724 Posts |
Posted - 09 Oct 2008 : 21:08:48
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Truth be told, I consider EVERYTHING in that tome to be canon, for better or worse.
Its all the silly 4e stuff I choose to ignore.
However, we've gone way off topic here, with the usual "I hate 4e diatribe", so lets get back to the topic, shall we?
I think a request for what we want we (the fans) would like to see is too little, too late.
Besides... they know what we want, and have already stated that won't happen (3e or Spellplague {lost century} lore), so this is like asking us "Okay... if you absolutely MUST read a 4e article, what would offend you the least?" |
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Uzzy
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Posted - 09 Oct 2008 : 21:41:46
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"Okay... if you absolutely MUST read a 4e article, what would offend you the least?"
Resignations. Anyway, since when was this a sticky?
I'm the same as Ashe regarding the Grand History, though I've not gone to the extent of ripping a page out. Can't say I've not been tempted though!
Meh. They know what we want. They refuse to give us that. Thankfully, the consumer is still sovereign in this market.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 09 Oct 2008 : 21:55:12
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Originally posted by Uzzy
Anyway, since when was this a sticky?
Since about 6 hours ago. I stickied it because the Feedback thread was stickied, and since we're limiting that thread to only constructive feedback, it made sense to sticky this one, too. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Oct 2008 : 21:56:23
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Originally posted by Uzzy
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"Okay... if you absolutely MUST read a 4e article, what would offend you the least?"
Resignations. Anyway, since when was this a sticky?
I'm the same as Ashe regarding the Grand History, though I've not gone to the extent of ripping a page out. Can't say I've not been tempted though!
Meh. They know what we want. They refuse to give us that. Thankfully, the consumer is still sovereign in this market.
Alas, the librarian in me prevents me from destroying ANY part of a book, no matter how much I dislike it.
I even go so far to gift bookmarks with books that I buy for gifts so I know they aren't 'dog-earring' the corners. |
I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 09 Oct 2008 : 21:58:28
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I think Wooly just got himself a brand-new tube of 'Mod-Glue' and is going a little nuts.
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Originally posted by Uzzy
Resignations.
Okay... that was just funny as hell.  |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Oct 2008 : 23:16:24
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
Alas, the librarian in me prevents me from destroying ANY part of a book, no matter how much I dislike it.
Heh, I'm not a librarian, but I still couldn't bring myself to do that. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 10 Oct 2008 : 00:28:18
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Okay fellow scribes, that's enough about destroying books. 'Tis making me nervous. And we should all know the One Absolute Rule of Candlekeep by now. Right?
Back to the commentary... |
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Neil
Learned Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 10 Oct 2008 : 02:35:30
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Originally posted by The Sage
And we should all know the One Absolute Rule of Candlekeep by now. Right?
Something about a land war in Kara-Tur? |
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 10 Oct 2008 : 02:40:11
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Originally posted by The Sage
Okay fellow scribes, that's enough about destroying books. 'Tis making me nervous. And we should all know the One Absolute Rule of Candlekeep by now. Right?
"No unattended candles in the 'Keep!" Right, Sage?
After all, that kind of thing could lead to a flame war... maybe that's the problem over at those *other* boards...
Seriously: I know what you mean. I don't know how many times I've watched The Name of the Rose, and I can never watch the scene at the end in the library. It's comparable to genocide... well, not really, but still extremely evil and wrong. |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
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