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riot the outsider
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 Posted - 13 Jun 2008 : 18:07:48
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Is it possible to play half orc/half elf character.I and would you get all the beneifits of both.The weapon and grace skills of the elf and there magic use as well and for the orc there strength and rage and I think regeneration.Not sure on that last one.
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Afetbinttuzani
Senior Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 13 Jun 2008 : 18:19:14
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I suppose it is theoretically possible. But in the Realms context this character would have to be the product of rape and would have to somehow have survived childhood without having been killed by either of the races for being an abomination. 
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Jun 2008 : 18:26:42
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With all due respect, I disagree about the "rape", part. It's possible (albeit unlikely) that there could be a love match between an orc and an elf. In fact, Ed has mentioned one such match before in his Answers here. |
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 13 Jun 2008 : 19:24:00
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Leaving the characters'creation' aside and looking at the rules part. If I would be DM I would have the player choose between either the half-elf traits and the half-orc traits. It is more likely that the traits of only one parent will be dominant rather than both equaly.
Just my initial thought on this. |
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Afetbinttuzani
Senior Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 14 Jun 2008 : 05:23:32
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
With all due respect, I disagree about the "rape", part. It's possible (albeit unlikely) that there could be a love match between an orc and an elf. In fact, Ed has mentioned one such match before in his Answers here.
Yes, my apologies, Rin. I was being a terrible bigot. It must be the Gold Elf in me
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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 Jun 2008 : 05:30:25
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
With all due respect, I disagree about the "rape", part. It's possible (albeit unlikely) that there could be a love match between an orc and an elf. In fact, Ed has mentioned one such match before in his Answers here.
November 14, 2006:
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Amaundra Faeroethyr, a CG female moon elf Rgr7 of the High Forest, orphaned in childhood, was sorely wounded in a battle with orcs. A lone, outcast orc of a rival tribe found her, nursed her back to health, and they fell deeply in love and became companions, Amaundra eventually dying (willingly) of the revages {sic} of childbirth (they both knew birthing half-orc after half-orc child was harming her internally, but she refused to stop making love with her beloved Urthorkh, and neither of them dared to try to seek out anyone with magic - - who might well try to slay them out of disgust - - to try to "put things to rights" in her innards.
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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 14 Jun 2008 : 05:49:56
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Originally posted by Ergdusch
Leaving the characters'creation' aside and looking at the rules part. If I would be DM I would have the player choose between either the half-elf traits and the half-orc traits. It is more likely that the traits of only one parent will be dominant rather than both equaly.
Just my initial thought on this.
I concur. A character who is half-elf/half-human does not get the benefits of both races, so it is illogical to assume that an even more "unnatural" creature would get both elf and orc bonuses.
To be brutally honest, if a player in my campaign even asked for such a thing, I would immediately rule against it, because I'm an old-fashioned kind of DM, and have little patience with the foolishness which even allows for the creation of "half-orc, half-elf, Shadowalker, dragonblooded, tiefling" sorts of monstrosities (and, yes, that is a "legal" combination).
Far from giving such an ungodly chimera bonuses, I would impose massive penalties to it, particularly reducing Constitution by a substantial amount because of the awful pre-natal troubles it would have had and the privations it would certainly endure throughout its life, exiled from any decent sort of community, and most indecent ones, too. If someone wanted to roleplay that affliction, I'd be more than happy to oversee it, but in a one-on-one; I would not want other PCs killed because they are associating with a foul abomination accursed of gods and mortals alike. (Read the first chapters of Evermeet to see just how "ungodly" such a combination would be.)
Orcs, incidentally, do not have regeneration as a racial quality. They mature early and breed profusely, instead. Given how very long the elven gestation period is, if the dam was an elf and the sire an orc, the spawn would probably be born in a premature miscarriage which would probably be fatal to the mother, and would almost certainly rip out her uterus, permanently sterilizing her, even if she survived. If the dam were an orc and the sire an elf, the spawn would likely be developmentally disabled from an unnaturally short (for an elf) gestation period, and also be spontaneously aborted by the mother after six months or however long orcish pregnancies usually last, meaning that it would have a very high likelihood of being stillborn. Consult the works of S. King, R. Campbell, R. Bloch, et al. for information on other possible complications.
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GRYPHON
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Posted - 14 Jun 2008 : 15:03:20
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GRYPHON
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Posted - 14 Jun 2008 : 17:16:20
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 14 Jun 2008 : 17:54:59
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I don't think Elves and Orcs can breed in RAW, so I don't think I would allow that combo except for an NPC.
For a player, I would allow a child that is the product of a Half-Orc and Half-Elf union, which would be possible and MUCH more likely, and still allow the player to achieve the flavor he wants without bending the rules every which way.
And NO, there is absolutely NO reason why such a thing (if allowed) need be a product of Rape! That is a silly, out-dated notion. I have, time and again on the WotC boards, pointed out specific regions ALL OVER FAERűN where Orcs and Humans mix together without bloodshed - check the entry for the town of Purskul (in Amn)for just one example. Also, the Uthgardt Barbarians tribes have always viewed Orcish tribes the exact same way as other human tribes, and inter-breeding has been going on for centuries with no negative conotations applied.
I suppose, if you really wanted to, you can just say that there is also a tribe of Wild Elves (Grugach) living in the north that also occassionally 'mixes' with the other two groups. I'd probably place them in the Cold Wood, if it were me. |
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riot the outsider
Learned Scribe
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
Germany
1720 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jun 2008 : 23:00:13
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Originally posted by riot the outsider
well what if the pc was a half moon elf /half drow would this be possible.
Mmh, kind of tricky this one, but since elves breed true when they 'mix' (that is a mon elf and a drow would give birth to either a true moonelf or a true drow) I would assume that this would hold up in your example as well.
Therefore the result of such a liason would be either a half moon elf or a half drow, chance 50/50.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 15 Jun 2008 : 18:11:02
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Originally posted by Afetbinttuzani
Yes, my apologies, Rin. I was being a terrible bigot. It must be the Gold Elf in me
Afet
No apology necessary, I just happened to remember the answer from Ed that Jamallo kindly posted above. |
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TobyKikami
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 16 Jun 2008 : 01:26:44
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Amaundra Faeroethyr, a CG female moon elf Rgr7 of the High Forest, orphaned in childhood, was sorely wounded in a battle with orcs. A lone, outcast orc of a rival tribe found her, nursed her back to health, and they fell deeply in love and became companions, Amaundra eventually dying (willingly) of the revages {sic} of childbirth (they both knew birthing half-orc after half-orc child was harming her internally, but she refused to stop making love with her beloved Urthorkh, and neither of them dared to try to seek out anyone with magic - - who might well try to slay them out of disgust - - to try to "put things to rights" in her innards.
I admit my first, rather insensitive reaction to the above story was "They never heard of contraception?" Perhaps they really hadn't, or it was not equipped for the situation, but... I don't know.
Personally, I'd probably neglect such a character in favor of pages on pages explaining how their parents got together, but that's me. |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 16 Jun 2008 : 02:09:45
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Not sure what to say, because part of the reading of some posts above come too close to RL.
D&D rules last I checked did not include orc and elf/drow offspring at core rules. They barely did much with halfelf which always implied elf and human mating. Drow and Elf mating has been discussed abit in canon. That the child most often would appear Drow, but could appear surface elf, and even rarer appear to be a half Drow without human traits.
Of course canon changes.
*sighs* Orcs are evil and must rape to get half offspring, falls into the same catagory that Drow rape on their surface attacks.
RW history does indicate the winners do rape those of the defeated, some science claims the odds of conception from rape is low though clearly posible.
he Orc King clearly sanactions a human orc marriage so free will mating is now aceptible.
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Caedwyr
Seeker
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Posted - 16 Jun 2008 : 05:32:15
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| Obviously, now would be the time to repost A Very Ugly Backstory |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 16 Jun 2008 : 17:14:09
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Originally posted by riot the outsider
well what if the pc was a half moon elf /half drow would this be possible.
I had a player who wanted to be a drow and wield a moonblade; and since the half-drow is the same as a half-elf but with darkvision; and the black skin/white hair is a dominate gene; I had her create a moon elf character with darkvision and drow coloring. It worked pretty well. |
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Hawkins
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Posted - 16 Jun 2008 : 17:28:41
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As for a half-elf/orc race, I would use the following rules:
* +2 Str, -2 Con
* Medium: As Medium creatures, they have no special bonuses or penalties due to their size.
* Base land speed of 30 ft
* Immunity to sleep spells and similar magical effects, and a +2 racial bonus on saving throws against enchantment spells or effects.
* Darkvision: They can see in the dark up to 60 feet. Darkvision is black and white only, but it is otherwise like normal sight, and half-orcs can function just fine with no light at all.
* Elven Blood: For all effects related to race, they are considered an elf.
* Orc Blood: For all effects related to race, they are is considered an orc.
* Automatic Languages: Common, Elven and Orc. Bonus Languages: Any (other than secret languages, such as Druidic).
* Favored Class: Monk.
EDIT: Changed favored class from Bard to Monk. |
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Alisttair
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Posted - 16 Jun 2008 : 17:50:25
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Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
* Favored Class: Bard. (It just kind fits for me, feel free to make it something else.)
I can see that working.
I can also see some prestige classes such as Arcane Archer come into play...quite interesting. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 16 Jun 2008 : 18:17:42
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Originally posted by Alisttair
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Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
* Favored Class: Bard. (It just kind fits for me, feel free to make it something else.)
I can see that working.
I can also see some prestige classes such as Arcane Archer come into play...quite interesting.
I don't see that... Elves may may good bards, but it's not something you associate orcs with. Considering that elves are naturally inclined towards warrior-types (as well as mage-types), and orcs are almost always warrior-types, then I'd make warrior the favored class.
Also, bards tend to like the limelight. I don't know that a virtually unique humanoid like a half-orc/half-elf is going to be busy drawing attention to himself all the time. I'd expect the character to avoid attention, as much as possible. |
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Hawkins
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Posted - 16 Jun 2008 : 21:00:45
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Alisttair
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Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
* Favored Class: Bard. (It just kind fits for me, feel free to make it something else.)
I can see that working.
I can also see some prestige classes such as Arcane Archer come into play...quite interesting.
I don't see that... Elves may may good bards, but it's not something you associate orcs with. Considering that elves are naturally inclined towards warrior-types (as well as mage-types), and orcs are almost always warrior-types, then I'd make warrior the favored class.
Also, bards tend to like the limelight. I don't know that a virtually unique humanoid like a half-orc/half-elf is going to be busy drawing attention to himself all the time. I'd expect the character to avoid attention, as much as possible.
My feeling was more that being virtually unique, and abhorred by both cultures, a half-elf/orc might find a bard appealing so they could express themselves through music and/or poetry. My next suggestion would probably be Monk, since they spend a lot of time in solitude and focus on martial discipline. Damn, I just might have to play on of these sometime to see what it is like. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 Jun 2008 : 21:02:12
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
What would you call a half-orc/half-elf? An orf? Olf? Erc? Elc?
I thought about this a little too, and the best thing I came up with was Fleorc. |
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riot the outsider
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 18 Jun 2008 : 05:26:05
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| I agree with alot of you. And yes I am going to make it a warrior /monk type.Wooly and hawkins hit right on the head. I also like the rules hawkins laid out for my pc and will use them.Also hawkins thanks for showing intrest in my character I have come up with.I wanted make some what of character of medveil/samurai/ninja type. and with darkvision would really help with my pc being more stealthly.Plus my pc also has spells to help with stealth and healing.its weapons suit my pc as well.And yes I have a back story. |
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Runis Silverhammer
Acolyte
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Jun 2008 : 18:43:40
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| I might try a character like this for my next game with my friends, with a slight difference...my char has been experimented on while captured by a mad wizard and now has the strength of a fire giant, which the mad wizard found out to his disliking when my character broke free from his bonds using his newly found strength and escaped ;) but in essence, he's a half-orc/half-elf...just a bit beefier now. |
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jimmyjimjam
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 23 Jun 2008 : 07:06:52
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| Remind me why a half orc/half elf is any more beastly than a half-elf? |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 23 Jun 2008 : 16:02:46
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Originally posted by jimmyjimjam
Remind me why a half orc/half elf is any more beastly than a half-elf?
My perception would be because orcs are more beastly than humans. But if you look at the build I gave, I decided that the uber-beauty of the elf half countered the beastliness of the orc half, so they do not have a detriment to CHA. However, I agreed with others that complications of birth could cause the -2 CON. |
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