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| Seethyr |
Posted - 27 Aug 2020 : 00:02:25
Do we know anything about this 5’4”, 145 lb with 17 Strength 30th level fighter and chieftain of the largest tribe of Nar? I haven’t seen anything since The Bloodstone Lands until someone brought him up recently on a Facebook page. |
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| cpthero2 |
Posted - 21 Sep 2020 : 07:52:20
Senior Scribe TheIriaeban,
Are you referring to the H4 module, or an actual accessory?
Best regards,
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| TheIriaeban |
Posted - 30 Aug 2020 : 15:00:15
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Originally posted by sleyvas
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Originally posted by Ayrik
There are also spells which halt aging. High-levrl stuff like timestop and Phezult's sleep of ages. Middly level (and far more common) stuff like petrify. This fighter might have spent decades as a lawn ornament for a medusa before some plucky adventurers came along. Or might have been voluntarily suspended like a "sleeping sword" sworn to awaken at some point in the future, when needed.
Yeah, Petrification is a good one. It would have to be one very lucky medusa to turn a 30th level fighter, but the spellplague might do it. Or maybe he just happened to roll a 1. For that matter, just to ponder options (not necessarily for this dude).... instead of petrification, I could see someone getting turned into a tree by the spellplague and then later someone casts an area dispel and it frees them.
On the "sleeping" thing too... we could also stick that with the netherese enclave. Maybe it has a stasis trap, and this guy (along with possibily a lot of other individuals over time) gets stuck in it while exploring the enclave. I could definitely see Larloch setting up something like that as well (i.e. fits his personality).
It was a Netherese stasis trap that allowed El's nephew, Moeblur Taetyn, to be around in the mid 1300's. Those could be common in Netherese tombs/enclaves. |
| SaMoCon |
Posted - 29 Aug 2020 : 22:00:37
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Originally posted by Ayrik
5’4” 145lb is awfully small stature for a 17 Strength 30th level fighter if he's supposed to be human. Even if he is supposed to be she instead. Not enough mass for that much muscle power.
Just to echo the point made by The Archanamach, Gary Russel Jr. is the WBC featherweight title holder and he is 5'4" and 126 lbs or less, and Óscar Figueroa at 5'4" is the 2016 Weightlifting gold medalist in the -62kg division by lifting a personal best 701 lbs. As these contemporary powerhouses can attest, one may be short and of fairly insignificant but still be mighty.
Regarding yet another lived-past-the-racial-maximum-age-with-little-sign-of-aging NPC, this is just a norm of the FR and there are plenty of system irrelevant hand-waviums built into the setting. As long as this NPC is not also written as banging every female in the locality then it should be easy to shrug off. |
| sleyvas |
Posted - 29 Aug 2020 : 21:21:41
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Originally posted by Ayrik
There are also spells which halt aging. High-levrl stuff like timestop and Phezult's sleep of ages. Middly level (and far more common) stuff like petrify. This fighter might have spent decades as a lawn ornament for a medusa before some plucky adventurers came along. Or might have been voluntarily suspended like a "sleeping sword" sworn to awaken at some point in the future, when needed.
Yeah, Petrification is a good one. It would have to be one very lucky medusa to turn a 30th level fighter, but the spellplague might do it. Or maybe he just happened to roll a 1. For that matter, just to ponder options (not necessarily for this dude).... instead of petrification, I could see someone getting turned into a tree by the spellplague and then later someone casts an area dispel and it frees them.
On the "sleeping" thing too... we could also stick that with the netherese enclave. Maybe it has a stasis trap, and this guy (along with possibily a lot of other individuals over time) gets stuck in it while exploring the enclave. I could definitely see Larloch setting up something like that as well (i.e. fits his personality). |
| Ayrik |
Posted - 29 Aug 2020 : 21:02:38
There are also spells which halt aging. High-levrl stuff like timestop and Phezult's sleep of ages. Middly level (and far more common) stuff like petrify. This fighter might have spent decades as a lawn ornament for a medusa before some plucky adventurers came along. Or might have been voluntarily suspended like a "sleeping sword" sworn to awaken at some point in the future, when needed. |
| sleyvas |
Posted - 29 Aug 2020 : 15:01:35
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Originally posted by Dalor Darden
Bruce Lee was hella strong and not a large person.
Simple potions could allow him to live a long time...or even those with wishes.
Doesn’t have to be complicated for him to be a long lived bad arses.
I don't know, potions of Longevity aren't supposed to be simple to find in canon (though they should be now that all you need is a clone spell.... but that's another argument for another day), and he'd have to consume several to get an extra 120 years (at 65 he's pretty old already in the 1360's). I'm just noting that if we want to use him, we should probably find something pretty believable (and finding a cloning chamber in a netherese enclave devoted to a necromancer, I'd buy more than this guy managed to get his hands on say 4 or 5 potions of longevity). Maybe this cloning chamber was even something that Larloch himself was using to stay alive and young, but when his enclave fell after Karsus' Folly, all his clones that were on hand failed and his lich ritual kicked in. Just an idea. Could be improved. But this idea does put a reason to explore Jiksidur (or rather more of a reason) into the lore. What else for instance might be found in that old enclave still that might not be possible to remove and it still function. |
| Dalor Darden |
Posted - 29 Aug 2020 : 04:27:07
Bruce Lee was hella strong and not a large person.
Simple potions could allow him to live a long time...or even those with wishes.
Doesn’t have to be complicated for him to be a long lived bad arses. |
| sleyvas |
Posted - 28 Aug 2020 : 01:37:48
He was 65 in the 1360's (which would account for his strength being less in 2nd edition, as I think back then they were doing the penalties to str bonus to int as you age thing). However, if you wanted to use him post sundering, the idea that most resonates with me would be clone, considering that 5e allows you to clone a younger body. In fact, when I look at where his tribe is located, it brings some interesting ideas to mind. They are near "Hark's Finger" also known as "Mount Jiksidur".... also known as "Larloch's fallen netherese enclave". It might be interesting if he has some ties to Larloch, or perhaps he discovered a "cloning chamber" inside of Jiksidur and has been using it to renew his body. This might also cause some conflicts with some Nars who don't like magic.
From Bloodstone Lands about Tribe Abordabe
Abordabe
Population: 4,000
Locale: Central Narfell between Hark's Finger and the western banks of the Teardrops.
Disposition: Tolerant
The largest of the Nar tribes, Abordabe oversees the Trade Fair each summer. The tribe views foreigners more as a source of added wealth than as enemies. |
| Seethyr |
Posted - 27 Aug 2020 : 23:25:24
....or at least as a chosen during the Sundering if he somehow made it that long (or got raised) |
| sleyvas |
Posted - 27 Aug 2020 : 15:00:49
Yeah, 1e on the cusp of 2e, with the characters of Gareth Dragonsbane as pregens for the aforementioned H4 Bloodstone adventure where they went to the Abyss to get Orcus' wand. Honestly, they turned around in 2e in the bloodstone lands product and lowered his level significantly to 21st level.
This of course makes Abordabe even that much more interesting of an individual, since he's in the same product at 30th level, and absolutely nothing was done with him since that I know of. For being 30th level, he also has a suprisingly small following (granted, 4 thousand Nars isn't minor), and no information on who his "accomplices" are. Also, while his strength is only 17, his dex is listed as 18, so I'd picture him as very much the small/fast/thick individual.
One thing that comes to mind when I find people like this (which good find Seethyr) is... do we know where their god was during the ToT? What little I see if him being in the dalelands, and then polyhedron #116 has Eric having Tempus killing a "drow lich" named Malyk who acquired a portion of Mystra's power (which later became the guardian's tear in further development, and Talos rather than Tempus gaining the power of Malyk). I could very much picture Tempus occupying this guy if the person accepted. |
| TheIriaeban |
Posted - 27 Aug 2020 : 14:09:24
100th level??? That had to have been 1e. My understanding is there was a limit of 40th in 2e. |
| Seethyr |
Posted - 27 Aug 2020 : 13:12:40
To be perfectly fair, it was during a time when we had pregen characters (H4 adventure) of 100th level. I would really like to see more about the Nar though. |
| The Arcanamach |
Posted - 27 Aug 2020 : 04:02:21
That was written up under 1e/2e when exceptional strength was still a thing. So the 'large musculature' was more a product of hitting 18/01-18/00 strength. Furthermore, I've known short people who where easily 17 Strength in terms of what they could lift. And being 30th level is a product of experience, not size.
To answer your question I don't know if he's been covered anywhere else. RAS wrote some novels in the region so he may be in one of them. I can't say as I haven't read them myself but it's a possibility. |
| TheIriaeban |
Posted - 27 Aug 2020 : 02:09:56
Sounds like it is the result of a mishap with a couple potions. One was a potion of diminution and he accidently mixed it with another one so the potions partially shrank him making his limbs all thin and him slightly shorter. The affect is permanent so now he gets to fight as basically a stick figure with his abilities not reduced.
I will have to dig out that supplement and see what it says. |
| Ayrik |
Posted - 27 Aug 2020 : 01:56:21
5’4” 145lb is awfully small stature for a 17 Strength 30th level fighter if he's supposed to be human. Even if he is supposed to be she instead. Not enough mass for that much muscle power. |
| George Krashos |
Posted - 27 Aug 2020 : 01:03:58
Nope.
-- George Krashos |
