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| silvermage |
Posted - 16 Jun 2005 : 01:06:19
Hello, here is something i had been thinking about. I have read about the Netheril Trilogy and read up on Karse. Karse has delusions about becoming a god and avenging and saving the Netheril Empire. Yet, Sammaster also appear to have dreams of becoming a consort to Mystra and he should be a god than being a mere Chosen, also both Karse and Sammaster were prodigies in the arcane knowledge. Sometimes, I wonder if Sammaster is Karse incarnate? |
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| Dennis |
Posted - 11 May 2010 : 15:06:11
Sage:
We have the same idea about the flashback.... And maybe the conflict will be Zhents' revenge and the Shadovar's determination to annihilate them ALL once and for all. The apt title will be "The Revenge of the Undying Cockroach". =)
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| The Sage |
Posted - 11 May 2010 : 07:11:15
quote:
Originally posted by dennis
Sage,
Do you have any idea why WotC never published a novel about this Shadovar-killing-the-Zhents act? It would have been good for sales, considering there are a lot of Manshoon and Shadovar fans.
I suspect this might be due to the fact that Wizards are primarily focused on publishing fiction for the post 1479 DR period.
Though, given the prevalence of the Shadovar in the current fiction, I'd also expect this little bit of history might be dealt with eventually. Perhaps as a flashback scene in a future novel about either the Shadovar or Zhentarim? |
| Dennis |
Posted - 11 May 2010 : 05:17:01
Sage,
Do you have any idea why WotC never published a novel about this Shadovar-killing-the-Zhents act? It would have been good for sales, considering there are a lot of Manshoon and Shadovar fans. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 11 May 2010 : 05:09:25
Well, what was Manshoon, is pleased.  |
| Brimstone |
Posted - 11 May 2010 : 04:34:50
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by dennis
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Originally posted by Sandro
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Originally posted by BlackAce
If insanity indicated a familiar relation, half the wizards in Faerun must be inbred loons!
And all the ones in the Zhentarim, certainly.
Almost all of them were killed by the Shadovar, so it hardly matters...=)
There's enough of them left for them to still be considered a threat in the 4e FRCG, so...
That was just a culling of the weak in the Brotherhood...
The Shades performed there job admirably.
Manshoon is very pleased. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 11 May 2010 : 03:18:12
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by dennis
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Originally posted by Sandro
quote:
Originally posted by BlackAce
If insanity indicated a familiar relation, half the wizards in Faerun must be inbred loons!
And all the ones in the Zhentarim, certainly.
Almost all of them were killed by the Shadovar, so it hardly matters...=)
There's enough of them left for them to still be considered a threat in the 4e FRCG, so...
Ooh, and I assume the cockroach is one of them?
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| The Sage |
Posted - 11 May 2010 : 01:06:50
quote:
Originally posted by dennis
quote:
Originally posted by Sandro
quote:
Originally posted by BlackAce
If insanity indicated a familiar relation, half the wizards in Faerun must be inbred loons!
And all the ones in the Zhentarim, certainly.
Almost all of them were killed by the Shadovar, so it hardly matters...=)
There's enough of them left for them to still be considered a threat in the 4e FRCG, so... |
| Dennis |
Posted - 10 May 2010 : 20:47:14
quote:
Originally posted by Sandro
quote:
Originally posted by BlackAce
If insanity indicated a familiar relation, half the wizards in Faerun must be inbred loons!
And all the ones in the Zhentarim, certainly.
Almost all of them were killed by the Shadovar, so it hardly matters...=) |
| Sandro |
Posted - 10 May 2010 : 09:05:07
quote:
Originally posted by BlackAce
If insanity indicated a familiar relation, half the wizards in Faerun must be inbred loons!
And all the ones in the Zhentarim, certainly. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 10 May 2010 : 00:29:15
Not only the wizards, but half of Faerun's population perhaps... |
| BlackAce |
Posted - 09 May 2010 : 22:06:21
If insanity indicated a familiar relation, half the wizards in Faerun must be inbred loons! |
| Dennis |
Posted - 09 May 2010 : 16:56:42
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Originally posted by Alisttair
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by StromLancer
Who knows Sammaster is of the same ancestry line as Karse? If so, that may explain Sammaster mad actions.
Insanity isn't a good reason to assume relation...
I think that people are being too eager to find a connection where no evidence of a connection exists.
Any evidence of a connection has wisely been denied public knowledge...not saying insanity means relation but perhaps there is insanity due to the relation 
The very notion of the subject of this post is odd! I mean, insanity (if that's what you call it) is hardly a basis for comparison. Szass Tam wants to be a god too. But like Sammaster, I do not think he is Karsus's reincarnated form. For one, both liches are too "composed" and in control compared to the erratic Karsus...And most importantly, Karsus is far more powerful than the two of them combined.
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| Alisttair |
Posted - 03 May 2010 : 13:30:45
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by StromLancer
Who knows Sammaster is of the same ancestry line as Karse? If so, that may explain Sammaster mad actions.
Insanity isn't a good reason to assume relation...
I think that people are being too eager to find a connection where no evidence of a connection exists.
Any evidence of a connection has wisely been denied public knowledge...not saying insanity means relation but perhaps there is insanity due to the relation |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 04 Jul 2005 : 02:37:00
quote:
Originally posted by StromLancer
Who knows Sammaster is of the same ancestry line as Karse? If so, that may explain Sammaster mad actions.
Insanity isn't a good reason to assume relation...
I think that people are being too eager to find a connection where no evidence of a connection exists. |
| Shadovar |
Posted - 04 Jul 2005 : 02:36:10
quote:
Originally posted by StromLancer
Who knows Sammaster is of the same ancestry line as Karse? If so, that may explain Sammaster mad actions.
Hmm....that may explain Sammaster madness, still I wonder how many more mages are of Karse bloodline and as crazy as him. |
| StromLancer |
Posted - 04 Jul 2005 : 02:30:25
Who knows Sammaster is of the same ancestry line as Karse? If so, that may explain Sammaster mad actions. |
| Shadovar |
Posted - 22 Jun 2005 : 11:37:12
Wait a minute, I think Karse had not really entered the Realms of the Dead. Perhaps he might be incarnated into a stone or something like that in the High Forest near Wulgreth's lair. |
| Sandhrune |
Posted - 22 Jun 2005 : 06:47:53
good point. UTTER ANNIHILATION! |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 22 Jun 2005 : 05:42:41
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Originally posted by Sandhrune
Karse would have been punished as one of the faithless by Jergal. I don't see him ever coming back any way, any how.
Ah, but did Karse's soul actually make it to the Fugue Plane? |
| Sandhrune |
Posted - 22 Jun 2005 : 03:26:54
Karse would have been punished as one of the faithless by Jergal. I don't see him ever coming back any way, any how. |
| Shadovar |
Posted - 21 Jun 2005 : 08:05:26
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Originally posted by silvermage
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Somehow picturing Karse reincarnated as a squirel amuses me . . .
I think Karse reincarnated as a monkey would be a more amusing idea, afterall in the Netheril Trilogy, he seemed to be like a untamed monkey to me.
Anyway, thanks to all who had replied to this topic.
Karse as a monkey? Ha, I certainly can't imagine a Karse in monkey form casting spells and writing books, sure to cast the wrong spells. Nice jest, silvermage! |
| silvermage |
Posted - 21 Jun 2005 : 08:02:03
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Somehow picturing Karse reincarnated as a squirel amuses me . . .
I think Karse reincarnated as a monkey would be a more amusing idea, afterall in the Netheril Trilogy, he seemed to be like a untamed monkey to me.
Anyway, thanks to all who had replied to this topic. |
| Kajehase |
Posted - 21 Jun 2005 : 05:58:00
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Kajehase
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Somehow picturing Karse reincarnated as a squirel amuses me . . .
Not as much as it'd amuse Mystryl I bet.
I dunno... I'd imagine its hard to be amused by something when you're dead.  
Unless you're a pictsie |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 20 Jun 2005 : 17:15:11
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Originally posted by Kajehase
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Somehow picturing Karse reincarnated as a squirel amuses me . . .
Not as much as it'd amuse Mystryl I bet.
I dunno... I'd imagine its hard to be amused by something when you're dead. |
| Kajehase |
Posted - 20 Jun 2005 : 12:36:07
quote:
Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Somehow picturing Karse reincarnated as a squirel amuses me . . .
Not as much as it'd amuse Mystryl I bet. |
| Shadovar |
Posted - 20 Jun 2005 : 07:49:03
Well, Karse reincarnation would be best handled by the Lord of The Dead, Kelemvor or Cyric, who knows the Lord of the Dead might want Karse to be his champion or as some sort of tool to further the cause of the Lord of The Dead. |
| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 19 Jun 2005 : 21:00:03
Somehow picturing Karse reincarnated as a squirel amuses me . . . |
| Erik Scott de Bie |
Posted - 19 Jun 2005 : 19:52:47
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Originally posted by Faraer
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
That's why it's the "Forgotten Realms" -- hundreds and thousands of years of kingdoms that have fallen precisely because of such madness.
Is this at all official? As far as I know, 'Forgotten Realms' isn't a term used in the Realms, but what we call the Realms because the world-links have declined.
My Lady THO is quite correct -- natives don't call it the "Forgotten Realms," but you find frequent reference to the "Realms," which is as common (it seems to me) as "Faerun," if not more. The reason WE call it the Realms (again, according to my opinion) is that the Faerun we know and love is built, literally, on the burial ground of so many forgotten kingdoms. I didn't mean to imply that natives called it FR.
Also, if I implied that all the lost empires and realms fell because of madness, it was unintentional. Some did, some didn't -- just like in the real world. 'Course, the policies that led to the fall of each realm could (and have) been interpreted as madness, so.........
Anyway.
Cheers |
| Kaladorm |
Posted - 19 Jun 2005 : 13:46:18
Reincarnations are a bad idea, in terms of the druid spell reincarnate just look at the odds!
How embarrasing would it be for Karse to be reincarnated only to find that Beshaba was more on his side than Tymora, and he gets reincarnated as a squirrel. Hardly godhood is it? |
| Neo2151 |
Posted - 18 Jun 2005 : 08:09:04
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
Correct, Faraer. Folk in the Realms speak of "the Realms" but never of "the Forgotten Realms," which is indeed our real-world term. Confirmed by Ed, who's frantically writing some VERY major Realmslore at the moment, for official WotC publication sometime in the future (NDA, so no one ask, please).
love,
THO
Unless, of course for some strange and alien reason, you listen to Douglas Niles over Ed Greenwood. Doug specifically said that the peoples of Faerun called it "The Forgotten Realms" (said in Iron Helm, first of the Maztica trilogy.) Normally I'd not post this but (in the spirit of being annoying ) Niles is a very heavily credited author when it comes to FR, though why, I couldn't tell you. His stories were good and all, but he seemed to be a lil lacking on the realmslore. |
