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| King Libertine |
Posted - 27 Jun 2021 : 01:53:46
What divine rank would you give the Archfey of the feywild? Any suggestions would be helpful as I am helping to create an adventure for our group. |
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 01 Aug 2021 : 03:20:54
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Originally posted by LordofBones
Spoilers: Erevan Ilsere is Baghtru in an elf costume.
I have it on good authority that Erevan Ilsere is actually an elaborate prank pulled by Brandobaris, and that it has gotten unexpectedly out of hand. |
| LordofBones |
Posted - 01 Aug 2021 : 03:16:59
Spoilers: Erevan Ilsere is Baghtru in an elf costume. |
| Delnyn |
Posted - 31 Jul 2021 : 18:55:48
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Originally posted by sleyvas
::waves::
Hey Copper Elven Vampire, which one of those CR 20+ creatures started out as a slave?
I think the answer is "None of the above."
IIRC the poll restricted characters to be elves with levels in rogue and some divine spellcasting class. Most choices also included the sacred fist PrC, which was not shown in this scroll. The patron deity would be Erevan Ilesere (unless you adopt my plot twist where Gruumsh murders Erevan Ilesere and forcibly becomes the patron deity . )
Back on the main topic: I stand by my recommendation that this Archfey likely won't need stats. |
| sleyvas |
Posted - 31 Jul 2021 : 14:59:37
::waves::
Hey Copper Elven Vampire, which one of those CR 20+ creatures started out as a slave? |
| LordofBones |
Posted - 31 Jul 2021 : 09:40:34
Give it a rest, CEV. At this point you're not even trying, not when you follow the same posting style. Isn't this your third or fourth alt on this site after your main account got banned?
Also, it's spelled "ogre." |
| King Libertine |
Posted - 31 Jul 2021 : 08:12:37
An example of the game play with a well known DM
Mosstone guildp
Fethiiwyn Feyblade: CG Feeorin noble Fey male of the Feywild. (High Fey Template). CR 30; Rogue 5/ Cleric 10/ Divine Prankster 10 of The Fey Jester. Champion of the Feywild, Arch-Priest of the Laughing Midnight in Mosstone. High-Cleric of the Fey of Mosstone.
Niithyria Nightgaze: CN Nymph Fey of the Feywild. CR 25; Rogue 5/ Druid 13 of The Fey Jester. Lady Nature, Mistress of laughter. She is the consort of Fethiiwyn.
Pixapax "The whisper": CG Pixie Fey male of the Feywild. CR 26; Rogue 10/ Sorcerer 5/ Arcane Devotee 5 of The Fey Jester. Master of intrigue, spymaster of the Mosstone guild.
Darthaliina Stolenoak: CN Dryad Fey of the Feywild. CR 23; Ranger 20 of The Fey Jester. Lady of the stolen oak. Princess of the Great Oak of Mosstone. Feywild champion.
Fyniistyx Hollowcup: CN Satyr Fey male of The Feywild. CR 23; Fighter 10/ Dervish 10. Master of melee in the Mosstone guild. Feywild champion, Courtier of The Seelie Court.
Dolledraxx Twindagger: CG Quickling Fey male of The Feywild. CR 24; Scout 5/ Sorcerer 5/ Daggerspell Mage 10. Blessed of the Seelie Court, Martyr of The Summer Court. The ageless shadow. The spymaster of Mosstone.
Franathiilia Mourngrym: CG Wild elf female of Mosstone. CR 15; Scout 10/ Deepwood Sniper 5. Owner of "The Sylphs Kiss.", tavern and Inn in the center of Mosstone. Lesser member of The Laughing Midnight. Crossroads champion.
Friithafranya Mourngrym: CG Wild elf female of Mosstone. CR 15; Scout 10/ Beguiler 5. Co-owner of "The Sylphs Kiss.", tavern and Inn. Captain of the elves of Mosstone. Lesser member of The Rogues of The Laughing Midnight. Feygate Guardian.
In that adventure, in that module, 3 of those PC's died. These were the remaining PC's to retire so to say.
Our fey were powerful, but when facing the Ogre Magi of Murandin and their Ogre, Troll, Orc and goblin army, there was not much they could do. The Feeorin fey slew the child of the Orge Magi and caused the horde to sway.
The Dryad of Mosstone was actually a normal dryad warrior in the Feywild. But... her tree... her Oak, was the Great Oak of Mosstone that human druids worshipped in the Feywild, as in Faerun.
The Nymph of The Fey Jester lashed her druidic spells against the Orge Magi. She laid hundreds low, but the Orge Magi walked away unhurt. Powerful and kingly, the prince of Murandin.
The Feeorin nobel Fey appeared behind the Orge Mage and split his powerful skull in two with his feyblades, ending the battle of Mosstone.
A combination of spells, blades and fey magic won the day.A total of 12 Fey began that battle. Only 6 remained. The 6 Fey lords of Mosstone mentioned above. |
| King Libertine |
Posted - 31 Jul 2021 : 07:24:28
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Originally posted by LordofBones
quote:
Originally posted by King Libertine
All are cool. All rogue gods are in my book. If I was offered a game, I would play a rogue/ sorcerer/ fey prankster of any of those gods mentioned above. Right? You're not too good at melee against a fighter, but you can sneak attack and spell blast and disappear with a laugh, and cut them to shreds. You cannot go toe, to toe with a wizard or sorcerer or cleric or druid, but as long as you remain stealthy, you can inflict massive damage, both melee and arcane.
...the Fey Prankster is a bard archetype from Pathfinder. This theoretical triple class character is going to be bad at all three roles.
Actually you're wrong. The Fey Prankster was a D20 "Faeries" Prestige class supplement that involved the D20 book "Faeries". by Bastion Press. It was mostly a rogue class that involved a separate arcane casting list with tons of re-roll options and invisibility galore. So I must say you're mistaken. |
| LordofBones |
Posted - 31 Jul 2021 : 06:55:00
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Originally posted by King Libertine
All are cool. All rogue gods are in my book. If I was offered a game, I would play a rogue/ sorcerer/ fey prankster of any of those gods mentioned above. Right? You're not too good at melee against a fighter, but you can sneak attack and spell blast and disappear with a laugh, and cut them to shreds. You cannot go toe, to toe with a wizard or sorcerer or cleric or druid, but as long as you remain stealthy, you can inflict massive damage, both melee and arcane.
...the Fey Prankster is a bard archetype from Pathfinder. This theoretical triple class character is going to be bad at all three roles. |
| King Libertine |
Posted - 31 Jul 2021 : 05:07:50
I think of the new Regis.... now a rogue duelist and much more. This is no less canon than cev or diffan writing a storyline to a campaign they had. If I played Erevis Cale as a NPC in 1490 DR would it make his past novels mundane or non existent? .Same for cev or diffan I suppose. |
| King Libertine |
Posted - 31 Jul 2021 : 02:25:14
I just thought it sounded good. I wish I was as serious as you guys are. as informed. The idea of Erevan Ilesere or Baravar Cloakshadow, or Brandobaris, or Vergadain, or Squillechee? just seems cool. Hyrsym the Satyr god of chaos is pretty cool.
gev had some good stuff. inventive and canon. Others wild and ludicrous. I am a 2ed player and never played anything but. Yet, I know all the lore up to 5ed that my little brain allows.
His strange thread where he created a different view of the War of The Anti-Seldarine, seen through the eyes of ereven ilesere... pretty cool. I'd read that again and maybe make use of it.
On the other hand... gev was a person I always seen as aggressively defending his own cosmos. Not good. I really liked his Selukiira thingy but when asked about it, he turned aggressive.
As far as all trickster deities are concerned... They are all cool and weird and not black or white.
Vergadain... Dwarven god of rogues and money and commerce.
Brandobaris... Halfling god of mischief and misadventures.
Baravar Cloakshadow... Gnome god of mischief and deception.
Erevan Ilesere... Elven god of mischief and trickery and chaos and rogues.
Hyrsam... the Prince of Fools, was an ancient and powerful satyr archfey. He was a mischievous trickster who used guile and savagery to further his goals.
Sqeulaiche... was the Court Jester of Queen Titania's Seelie Court and a member of her Inner Circle. Though he was a known ally of at least one deity of the Realms, it was unknown if he was directly worshiped on Toril
All are cool. All rogue gods are in my book. If I was offered a game, I would play a rogue/ sorcerer/ fey prankster of any of those gods mentioned above. Right? You're not too good at melee against a fighter, but you can sneak attack and spell blast and disappear with a laugh, and cut them to shreds. You cannot go toe, to toe with a wizard or sorcerer or cleric or druid, but as long as you remain stealthy, you can inflict massive damage, both melee and arcane. |
| Lord Karsus |
Posted - 05 Jul 2021 : 04:12:17
-Given the history involved here, I think there was a lot of drinking involved, yes. |
| sleyvas |
Posted - 04 Jul 2021 : 20:00:58
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Originally posted by LordofBones
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Originally posted by Lord Karsus
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Originally posted by LordofBones
Why on earth would any of these dudes be CR 90, or 200 HD DVR 20 Titania. Zeus and Odin don't have DvR 20, and they're known for killing primordial creator spirits and god-bothering kaiju. What can't Ordalf do that can't be modeled by a 30th level wizard?
This is going to be like that prospective 90th level fey monstrosity that CEV posted in that one thread of his. It was a dumb idea then and it's a dumb idea now. Titania's avatar was an Illusionist 20/Druid 16 in 2e; extrapolating from that she's probably a sorcerer/druid/arcane heirophant.
Frankly, if your 200 HD monstrosity is a bunch of 20th level classes slapped together, any decent party is going to laugh itself to death. A wiz 20/cleric 20/druid 20/commoner 20 is still going to have a caster level of 20.
-Thinking about it, the only NPCs I can think of that would be probably not have too difficult a time here would be Curudin Ahmaquissar and the Rogues of The Laughing Twilight. I forget what product they were detailed in, but they were excellent, excellent characters, some of the best ever introduced in the Forgotten Realms. Might have been Ed Greenwood, since the detail and specificity and everything in their characters and stories are par excellence; not matched in any Realmslore since. Really the piece de resistance of the setting as a whole.
It's awesome how their patron, Erevan, actually let Corellon stay on as head of the Seldarine. That part where he masterfully came in and defeated Lolth, Gruumsh, the Queen of Air and Darkness, Shargaas, Malar, Lord Voldemort, Morgoth and Wooly Rupert with one hand while simultaneously juggling ten barrels of faerie wine and playing the banjo? A masterpiece.
Wasn't he drinking from the barrels at the time? |
| Diffan |
Posted - 04 Jul 2021 : 13:16:31
quote:
Originally posted by Delnyn
3.0/3.5ed design of PC's and creatures is one heck of a pain in the butt. I recommend you focus on the archfey's role in the campaign and how you can facilitate that role.
Never a more truer statement made about 3e than this  And this is coming from someone who's.....done a LOT of (N)PC designs. |
| LordofBones |
Posted - 04 Jul 2021 : 05:47:50
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Originally posted by Lord Karsus
quote:
Originally posted by LordofBones
Why on earth would any of these dudes be CR 90, or 200 HD DVR 20 Titania. Zeus and Odin don't have DvR 20, and they're known for killing primordial creator spirits and god-bothering kaiju. What can't Ordalf do that can't be modeled by a 30th level wizard?
This is going to be like that prospective 90th level fey monstrosity that CEV posted in that one thread of his. It was a dumb idea then and it's a dumb idea now. Titania's avatar was an Illusionist 20/Druid 16 in 2e; extrapolating from that she's probably a sorcerer/druid/arcane heirophant.
Frankly, if your 200 HD monstrosity is a bunch of 20th level classes slapped together, any decent party is going to laugh itself to death. A wiz 20/cleric 20/druid 20/commoner 20 is still going to have a caster level of 20.
-Thinking about it, the only NPCs I can think of that would be probably not have too difficult a time here would be Curudin Ahmaquissar and the Rogues of The Laughing Twilight. I forget what product they were detailed in, but they were excellent, excellent characters, some of the best ever introduced in the Forgotten Realms. Might have been Ed Greenwood, since the detail and specificity and everything in their characters and stories are par excellence; not matched in any Realmslore since. Really the piece de resistance of the setting as a whole.
It's awesome how their patron, Erevan, actually let Corellon stay on as head of the Seldarine. That part where he masterfully came in and defeated Lolth, Gruumsh, the Queen of Air and Darkness, Shargaas, Malar, Lord Voldemort, Morgoth and Wooly Rupert with one hand while simultaneously juggling ten barrels of faerie wine and playing the banjo? A masterpiece.
On a more serious note, there's nothing really wrong with giving a creature stats, it just gets ludicrous when those stats are in a vacuum. Your party doesn't need to know if Titania is 60 HD or 200 HD when, functionally, she's a plot device. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 03 Jul 2021 : 19:40:48
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Originally posted by Delnyn
Is there a need to assign stats to the archfey? If the purpose is social interaction, what is wrong with deciding success or failure (or even better, gradations of success or failure) and making up a modifier on the fly? And if the party decides to engage in combat...serve the party a TPK.
3.0/3.5ed design of PC's and creatures is one heck of a pain in the butt. I recommend you focus on the archfey's role in the campaign and how you can facilitate that role.
That's what I was saying. Give just enough numbers for the purpose at hand and don't worry about anything else. It doesn't matter if someone is CR1 or CR42 if their only purpose is to talk. |
| Delnyn |
Posted - 03 Jul 2021 : 18:34:51
Is there a need to assign stats to the archfey? If the purpose is social interaction, what is wrong with deciding success or failure (or even better, gradations of success or failure) and making up a modifier on the fly? And if the party decides to engage in combat...serve the party a TPK.
3.0/3.5ed design of PC's and creatures is one heck of a pain in the butt. I recommend you focus on the archfey's role in the campaign and how you can facilitate that role. |
| Lord Karsus |
Posted - 03 Jul 2021 : 16:25:09
quote:
Originally posted by LordofBones
Why on earth would any of these dudes be CR 90, or 200 HD DVR 20 Titania. Zeus and Odin don't have DvR 20, and they're known for killing primordial creator spirits and god-bothering kaiju. What can't Ordalf do that can't be modeled by a 30th level wizard?
This is going to be like that prospective 90th level fey monstrosity that CEV posted in that one thread of his. It was a dumb idea then and it's a dumb idea now. Titania's avatar was an Illusionist 20/Druid 16 in 2e; extrapolating from that she's probably a sorcerer/druid/arcane heirophant.
Frankly, if your 200 HD monstrosity is a bunch of 20th level classes slapped together, any decent party is going to laugh itself to death. A wiz 20/cleric 20/druid 20/commoner 20 is still going to have a caster level of 20.
-Thinking about it, the only NPCs I can think of that would be probably not have too difficult a time here would be Curudin Ahmaquissar and the Rogues of The Laughing Twilight. I forget what product they were detailed in, but they were excellent, excellent characters, some of the best ever introduced in the Forgotten Realms. Might have been Ed Greenwood, since the detail and specificity and everything in their characters and stories are par excellence; not matched in any Realmslore since. Really the piece de resistance of the setting as a whole. |
| sleyvas |
Posted - 02 Jul 2021 : 13:51:47
quote:
Originally posted by Brimstone
I have nothing on topic to add, other than, someone loves Epic Cheese.
I will leave this scroll now...
I personally only get my Epic Cheese churned from milk from Audumbla's udders straight to the churn, and churned by Eleesima Cheddarchurn, Archfey of the Land of the Happy Cow. |
| Brimstone |
Posted - 02 Jul 2021 : 10:06:50
I have nothing on topic to add, other than, someone loves Epic Cheese.
I will leave this scroll now... |
| Brimstone |
Posted - 02 Jul 2021 : 10:04:46
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Originally posted by LordofBones
Oh good grief.
Fine CEV, let's have it your way.
OOF! |
| LordofBones |
Posted - 02 Jul 2021 : 06:36:50
Oh good grief.
Fine CEV, let's have it your way.
Titania - sorcerer 20/druid 20/arcane hierophant 10/geomancer 10.
Titania uses the sum of her caster levels to determine the overall caster level for her enchantment spells as well as any spell that affects, manipulates, creates, heals or harms plants. When taking on a plant or animal form, she wildshapes as a 60th level druid.
Notes: in Pathfinder, gestalt druid/sorcerer.
The Queen of Air and Darkness - wizard 35/archmage 5/dread witch 5/nightmare spinner 5/master illusionist 10
Notes: in Pathfinder, gestalt witch/wizard with a heavy focus on necromancy, illusion, save-or-suck and debuffs.
Oberon's best class would be the Hunter class from Pathfinder, as his fluff describes even Corellon respecting his hunting prowess.
You can use the leShay as a chassis and build your god of the week.
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| Kentinal |
Posted - 02 Jul 2021 : 04:00:21
For what it is worth, I moderate a different space where the rules are stricter.
At times I at Candlekeep posted things that would get me a warning of where I moderate.
So yes Moderation here is very liberal compared to some other forums.
As for complaining about topic drift, that has been common in most forums I am a member of. They either have an answer and thread ends three or four posts take care of those. Many however do expand and do sometimes go off topic.
A joke that makes as much sense as the question, to some, strikes me as divergent as the OP complaining about moderation publicly of off topic in the same thread.
The complaint of King Libertine of Posts off topic from the question of divine rank is as much off topic as the comments of sleyvas in reply to Eldacar. And that of course was selecting to reply to part of a post.
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 02 Jul 2021 : 03:40:02
Seriously, what game? You're the one saying someone else is attacking every one of your posts. I looked at every post you've made as King Libertine -- literally every single one of them. I found one place where the person you claimed was attacking you had actually responded directly to you. One.
And it wasn't an attack, unless you consider constructive criticism to be an attack.
There is no being "subversive" and "picky" here, and the only one playing games is you -- nicely demonstrated by your last post coming out of the blue and contradicting the prior one.
And I know I can't be the only one tired of whatever this game is. |
| King Libertine |
Posted - 02 Jul 2021 : 03:11:47
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Originally posted by King Libertine
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by King Libertine
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
*sigh* Must we do this every time? 
Yes. Everytime a particular member is rude or offensive to me. Lord of Bones seems to be a negative member of these boards. He is crude, rude, and never has anything positive to say about any of my posts. This is no crime, but it must be regulated and delt with. I am new to these boards and this forum, and if this is how Candlekeep members type and speak to others than I'd rather move on to other forums, where members are couth.
I just went through and looked at every one of your posts as King Libertine. And only in this thread do I see a direct response from Lord of Bones to you -- and though you may not like it, he is addressing what you are asking and offering constructive criticism.
So you're right -- "This is no crime". Nothing to regulate or deal with, here.
Ouch. okay. lol
Back on subject...
Weird. You all are weird. Even the Moderators are subversive and picky.
I see your game now. Game on.
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| King Libertine |
Posted - 02 Jul 2021 : 00:31:06
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by King Libertine
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
*sigh* Must we do this every time?
Yes. Everytime a particular member is rude or offensive to me. Lord of Bones seems to be a negative member of these boards. He is crude, rude, and never has anything positive to say about any of my posts. This is no crime, but it must be regulated and delt with. I am new to these boards and this forum, and if this is how Candlekeep members type and speak to others than I'd rather move on to other forums, where members are couth.
I just went through and looked at every one of your posts as King Libertine. And only in this thread do I see a direct response from Lord of Bones to you -- and though you may not like it, he is addressing what you are asking and offering constructive criticism.
So you're right -- "This is no crime". Nothing to regulate or deal with, here.
Ouch. okay. lol
Back on subject... |
| sleyvas |
Posted - 01 Jul 2021 : 22:36:43
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
*sigh* Must we do this every time?
Hey Wooly.... I am sending Rititisk the Clever, a powerful Archfey kercpa, mounted on his epic mount, the dire jackalope Harifur. They are delivering to your residence by worldtree-mail a package. The package contains a virtual hug from Eldath. She sent it to me, but I didn't need it. I think you do.  |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 01 Jul 2021 : 20:53:53
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Originally posted by King Libertine
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
*sigh* Must we do this every time?
Yes. Everytime a particular member is rude or offensive to me. Lord of Bones seems to be a negative member of these boards. He is crude, rude, and never has anything positive to say about any of my posts. This is no crime, but it must be regulated and delt with. I am new to these boards and this forum, and if this is how Candlekeep members type and speak to others than I'd rather move on to other forums, where members are couth.
I just went through and looked at every one of your posts as King Libertine. And only in this thread do I see a direct response from Lord of Bones to you -- and though you may not like it, he is addressing what you are asking and offering constructive criticism.
So you're right -- "This is no crime". Nothing to regulate or deal with, here. |
| King Libertine |
Posted - 01 Jul 2021 : 19:24:57
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
*sigh* Must we do this every time?
Yes. Everytime a particular member is rude or offensive to me. Lord of Bones seems to be a negative member of these boards. He is crude, rude, and never has anything positive to say about any of my posts. This is no crime, but it must be regulated and delt with. I am new to these boards and this forum, and if this is how Candlekeep members type and speak to others than I'd rather move on to other forums, where members are couth. |
| King Libertine |
Posted - 01 Jul 2021 : 19:07:13
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Originally posted by Eldacar
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Originally posted by King Libertine
Our party is between CR 15 and CR 20.
No they aren't. Player characters do not have challenge ratings. Challenge ratings are a mechanic for determining the difficulty of an encounter. It is also a broken mechanic that does not operate mathematically. Your posts are quite obvious in indicating you don't have the experience to know why and how this is the case, so attempting to calculate deities, Hit Dice, and class levels in the way you are is a fool's errand.
For you it comes down to needing the KISS principle (Keep It Simple Stupid). You want a fey creature that's about CR 30 which fits a theme. A LeShay is a CR 28 fey of an appropriate theme. Take the statblock of that, add a template to suit, and you have your CR 30-ish fey whatever. Done, finished.
Any PC party has a CR. It's standard, so not sure where you're coming from. If you have a PC party consisting of a 5th level rogue, a 10th level wizard, a 6th level cleric and a 2nd level fighter, we would call it by D&D standards a CR of 8 or 9. Math literally just helped me figure this out. So our group would be roughly a CR of 18. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 01 Jul 2021 : 18:58:01
*sigh* Must we do this every time? |
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