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| rodrigoalcanza |
Posted - 14 Jul 2014 : 19:12:09
Hello!
The Chosen of Mystra during the 1300s DR (First, Second and Third Edition) were known as Chosen of Mystra (or another name) by the general population? I mean they are known as heroes, sages, politicians, but his special status with Mystra is common knowledge?
Ordinary people know that they are Chosen of Mystra? And the individuals as more knowledge, as wise and spellcastars?
And the Church of Mystra ... know of the existence of these Chosen? Those chosen would then have some power within the hierarchy of the Faith of Mystra?
Finally, the main villains, usually enemies of the Chosen of Mystra, know this special status with Mystra?
Thanks and sorry for my english! |
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| hashimashadoo |
Posted - 18 Jul 2014 : 10:18:39
quote:
Originally posted by Diffan
Since Chosen was an Epic Destiny that players could pursue in 4e, I'd say there would be quite a few Chosen running around.
True but none of them were recognized canonically and the Sundering's crop of Chosen weren't anywhere near that kind of power level for the most part. |
| _Jarlaxle_ |
Posted - 18 Jul 2014 : 10:03:54
In 14xx DR the shades are searching for every choosen the can find and it seems very difficult for them to find many. Telamount ordered Brennus to use is good scrying skills to search forthem and many netheril lords are searching for every hint they can get too.
So I guess a few choosen are common knowledge (or at least known to a lot of people). But most are unknown. |
| Kuje |
Posted - 18 Jul 2014 : 01:41:08
quote:
Originally posted by Arcanus
Isn't the Srinshee also a chosen of mystra and/or the seldarine?
Didn't see her on the list.
Yea, she should be on that list. Wish I knew where that old forum thread could be found but the Wiki has most of them, as I mentioned. :) |
| Diffan |
Posted - 18 Jul 2014 : 01:28:47
Since Chosen was an Epic Destiny that players could pursue in 4e, I'd say there would be quite a few Chosen running around. |
| Arcanus |
Posted - 18 Jul 2014 : 01:14:58
Isn't the Srinshee also a chosen of mystra and/or the seldarine?
Didn't see her on the list. |
| Kuje |
Posted - 17 Jul 2014 : 22:42:50
quote:
Originally posted by Seethyr
Portella's question has me wondering if there is a good index of named Chosen lying around anywhere in these vaults...
We, years ago, once came up with a list but I'm not sure where it might be due to so many forum changes on the Wizard's boards. However, this list: http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Chosen looks pretty much the same as I remember that old forum thread to be. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 17 Jul 2014 : 20:26:05
quote:
Originally posted by Portella
Ah thank you wooly x
You are the chosen of oghma.
Only because there is no proper Trickster deity among the human pantheons of the Realms.  |
| Seethyr |
Posted - 17 Jul 2014 : 18:56:47
Portella's question has me wondering if there is a good index of named Chosen lying around anywhere in these vaults... |
| Portella |
Posted - 17 Jul 2014 : 17:56:32
I am very sad to admit I haven't read any of troys books. |
| Portella |
Posted - 17 Jul 2014 : 17:55:49
Ah thank you wooly x
You are the chosen of oghma. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 17 Jul 2014 : 17:50:10
Malik, from many of Troy Denning's books. |
| Portella |
Posted - 17 Jul 2014 : 17:46:55
This thread and the way is going made me think does anyone knows if there is any known chosen of the the dark lord cyric god of lies, strife and deceit?
I know chosens aren't a old concept but the last few years have it spread like wild fire so do we have a known one or more ?
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| Jeremy Grenemyer |
Posted - 17 Jul 2014 : 05:16:41
quote:
Originally posted by Thorn Illance
(snip) but you take it way too far.
In my experience that is true in some instances, but this doesn't change the fact that you've attributed statements to others that they have since denied making.
Safeguarding and shepherding correct information about the Realms and how it works (in-world and out) is important. It's one of the things this website does best.
Additionally, THO has a ton of cred on this website.
You have zero.
Therefore it's incumbent on you to back your claims up with proof, or withdraw them absent that proof.
I've actually been in your shoes before on just something like this. In my bitter experience, being obstinate for the sake of being obstinate is the wrong choice to make.
Which is to say that doing what's right is more important than being right, no matter how strongly you believe your claims are true. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 17 Jul 2014 : 05:15:01
So you're going to make a statement, argue that you're right and insult the person you claim gave you the info, and then dodge the original statement by arguing a tangent. Gotcha.
To paraphrase you: Classic Brace! |
| Thorn Illance |
Posted - 17 Jul 2014 : 04:59:57
Wooly, I'm not going to play another round of down is up and up is down with you. Apologetics is one thing, but you take it way too far. |
| Jeremy Grenemyer |
Posted - 17 Jul 2014 : 04:44:24
It’s Jeremy, not Apex.
According to your logic (and borrowing from my prior example), this is how the agreement made between Ed and TSR works. If Ed were to say that Cormyr does not exist in the Realms, then all published works that detail Cormyr would be invalidated (in whole or in part, depending on the amount of space covering Cormyr), until WotC publishes something that says Cormyr exists and all the prior lore is again valid.
Can you say “infinite loop”? So can I.
Nothing in THO's post that you linked to proves that Ed can overwrite already established canon Realmslore, in whole or in part, by the simple utterance of a few words out loud or through a post here on Candlekeep.
Once something is published, its set until something else comes along and overwrites it.
Keep in mind that the post in the scroll you linked to is a summary of the agreement made between TSR and ED; it doesn’t spell it out in full.
Again, it seems to me that you’re reading THOs post literally and not considering context or the impractical nature of your conclusion.
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 17 Jul 2014 : 04:42:51
How about, instead of changing the topic, you provide proof of your assertion that the material in The Seven Sisters has been retconned? |
| Thorn Illance |
Posted - 17 Jul 2014 : 04:19:46
Ye Gods, Apex, are you joking?
You've got it backwards, bro.
http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=17833 |
| Jeremy Grenemyer |
Posted - 17 Jul 2014 : 03:48:10
quote:
Originally posted by Thorn Illance
No, Mr. Miscellany. Anything Ed says is canon.
You seem to be taking the idea of Ed talking about the Realms out of context.
In terms of the canon/published Realms, what Ed has to say about the Realms is not canon if his statement is contradicted by an already existing source of Realmslore.
In my experience Ed has been very careful not to step on anyone’s toes or get in the way of published works. That is, he’s avoided situations where what he’d already established for the home Realms was due to be overwritten by someone working on soon to be published Realms project of their own.
Regardless, if Ed were to write, “Cormyr does not exist” then that wouldn’t be canon. It just does not work that way.
quote:
Originally posted by Thorn Illance
Anyone with Google can find Ed/THO's commentary on editors at TSR/WotC.
Yes, I know. And given that many of us are familiar with this commentary, we’re all wondering where your information comes from.
While it’s likely you may have drawn a conclusion from the commentary that led you to make your first statement in this thread, it does not follow that your conclusion is true.
Thus, you need to find the link or links and post them.
And not, despite what you might think, to prove that you are correct. Rather, so that one or more of us can show you exactly where and what it is you’ve interpreted incorrectly.
Given your mistaken view of the power (if that’s the right word) of Ed’s commentary over canon, I’m wagering you’re reading statements too literally. |
| Thorn Illance |
Posted - 17 Jul 2014 : 03:28:07
No, Mr. Miscellany. Anything Ed says is canon.
Anyone with Google can find Ed/THO's commentary on editors at TSR/WotC.
It's too bad that such a great, lore-rich book like "The Seven Sisters" gets hit with the retcon hammer as hard as it does. It's one of my favorite sourcebooks. |
| Jeremy Grenemyer |
Posted - 17 Jul 2014 : 02:45:14
quote:
Originally posted by Thorn Illance
Ed can retcon all he wants Rupert, anything Ed says over-writes existing canon, this well known amongst the Scribes of Candlekeep.
Incorrect. Ed can't simply declare something that's already published to be non-canon.
What he can do (and in fact all designers or authors can do) is revise or alter canon via a new novel or sourcebook.
If you don't have a link to the post that confirms your version of events, you're best off by deleting your post. |
| Thorn Illance |
Posted - 17 Jul 2014 : 02:26:21
Ed can retcon all he wants Rupert, anything Ed says over-writes existing canon, this well known amongst the Scribes of Candlekeep. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 17 Jul 2014 : 00:18:31
Perhaps, instead of oblique accusations of lying, you could provide quotes and links to where these statements were made? |
| Thorn Illance |
Posted - 16 Jul 2014 : 22:54:09
Yes, my grammar is poor. I'm sorry you're having difficulty remembering your statements on this topic.
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| The Hooded One |
Posted - 16 Jul 2014 : 19:17:28
I suspected as much, beloved Wooly, but the grammar in his post clearly indicates the other meaning. I was challenging it because clear, simple posts that aren't true, but aren't challenged or taken down, regrettably often get found and requoted by others, later, as "proof" of something.
Ed hasn't retconned anything in The Seven Sisters. TSR didn't use the "Elminster's Doom" title that appears in some of the fiction snippet attributions, and later made other changes, but I don't see anything much in that sourcebook's lore that was actually retconned.
Nor do I recall Ed ever saying, or my ever posting, anything about Julia Martin making many changes, as Thorn/Brace stated.
It's a pity whenever, for any reason, untruths get spread or false or misleading impressions created. I'd like debate here at the Keep to stay healthy, as it were.
love,
THO |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 16 Jul 2014 : 19:04:58
He meant, my Lady, that he was posting under the name Brace Cormaeril. It's one of the many names he has been banned under.
I'm noting this simply for clarification, and not as any sort of defense for his often deplorable antics. |
| The Hooded One |
Posted - 16 Jul 2014 : 18:54:13
I'm sorry, Thorn Illance, but I have never posted under the name Brace Cormaeril.
Nor have I ever told you or anyone about Ed doing any retcons related to that sourcebook, nor about Julia Martin's editing in regards to that book.
If scribes cannot tell truth, all of their contributions here at the Keep become suspect.
An apology would be appreciated.
THO |
| Thorn Illance |
Posted - 16 Jul 2014 : 03:34:03
THO, you told me, posting under the username Brace Cormaeril, about the retcons and editor deletions/additions.
Also,THO, are you going to GenCon wearing a scandalous outfit? |
| Gary Dallison |
Posted - 15 Jul 2014 : 19:12:24
Isn't Thorn just Brace under another username, and from what I understand Brace feels he has an axe to grind against the mods and anyone else here at the keep.
If I'm wrong then my apologies. |
| The Hooded One |
Posted - 15 Jul 2014 : 18:13:46
Excuse me?
Thorn, where did you hear this?
"The reason you are getting so many different opinions on this topic is that Ed Greenwood has retconned most of the material in this book; he blamed the editor, Julia Martin, for deleting and adding significant portions of the text."
As one of Ed's longtime players, I haven't seen any signs of Ed retconning ANYTHING in the book, nor do I recall him blaming Julia for anything, either.
So...where did you get this impression from?
conditional love,
THO |
