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| Artemas Entreri |
Posted - 23 Jan 2012 : 19:24:44
Which of the Forgotten Realms logos do you prefer to have grace the cover and spine of your Realms novels? |
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| coach |
Posted - 18 Jul 2012 : 22:47:33
old is good |
| Markustay |
Posted - 18 Jul 2012 : 19:36:55
When it comes to FR, I should be categorized as a 'rabid fanboi'. I am also a big fan of GH and Mystara. I like Dark Sun, although I've never played it, and also appreciate Krynn (although I have very little interest in reading the novels). Love Ravenloft and Planscape... greatly dislike Spelljammer and Birthright (both of those for the core concept, not the actual setting/fluff so much). I have never played in any of those, either (although I may have visited the first two from some other D&D setting... not sure). I've run games in FR, GH, and OD&D (Mystara).
So I guess you can call me a 'D&D fan'. I like all the lore, because it is part of the greater D&D multiverse, and I can borrow from it liberally.
But even though I have precisely the attitude they want everyone to have, I still take issue with the 'no logo' thing. It no longer irks me the way it once did, but I still consider it a very poor business decision*. I liked that all my game material had different logos on them - it was easier to keep things organized.
Instead of the 'melting pot' they were going for, I think they achieved 'the maelstrom' (a big chaotic soup of mish-mosh lore). They had the 'melting pot' all along; now they've watered-down the stew into soup. Don't get me wrong - I like soup. Its just not very satisfying.
*Edit: Because when you go for re-branding (something a LOT of corporations do), you should fall back on your most successful brands. If D&D is tanking, and FR is the strongest portion of it, then D&D should have been re-branded, NOT The Forgotten Realms. |
| Thauranil |
Posted - 18 Jul 2012 : 18:29:49
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Originally posted by Markustay
Its more along the lines of them trying to brainwash gamers into thinking "its all D&D now" (I really doubt thats working, but whatever - I know it is working to annoy long-time fans of FR, and I am sure other settings as well).
It used to make me mad, but I got over it. Life's too short to worry about stupid crap.
Good point. But if their intention is to amalgamate all their series into one D&D brand name then in my case certainly they have failed.
I am a proud FR fan but frankly have no interest whatsoever in Dragonlance and Ebrreon. |
| Thauranil |
Posted - 18 Jul 2012 : 18:08:46
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Originally posted by entreri3478
quote:
Originally posted by Thauranil
I know ,its so annoying especially when you are searching through a stack of books for a realms novel.
Besides which its like they are saying that they are no longer proud to display the realms logo. Ridiculous.
The spines still have the logo, but I really don't like that the covers don't.
Thats true, but thats hardly very prominent is it? |
| The Red Walker |
Posted - 18 Jul 2012 : 02:00:58
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Originally posted by entreri3478
The last few Forgotten Realms novel releases lack the Realms logo on the cover. Is this how it's going to be for awhile? *Sigh
Ugh.....no realms logo at all????........didn't know that.....but then I am now only purchasing realms novels of about four authors and it's been a bit of a wait for one of their novels. |
| The Red Walker |
Posted - 18 Jul 2012 : 01:58:44
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
Its more along the lines of them trying to brainwash gamers into thinking "its all D&D now" (I really doubt thats working, but whatever - I know it is working to annoy long-time fans of FR, and I am sure other settings as well).
It used to make me mad, but I got over it. Life's too short to worry about stupid crap.
I didn't get over it , it still pisses me off.....life's too short to be used and walked on by the current publishers who think no matter what they do, enough old fans will stick around while they try to grab the next group of Vamp/drow/shade/werewolf/next fad fans  |
| Old Man Harpell |
Posted - 18 Jul 2012 : 00:57:50
Old.
Big shock, I know.  |
| BARDOBARBAROS |
Posted - 17 Jul 2012 : 22:20:09
Old Forgotten Realms...It is the best!!! |
| Markustay |
Posted - 17 Jul 2012 : 20:55:53
Its more along the lines of them trying to brainwash gamers into thinking "its all D&D now" (I really doubt thats working, but whatever - I know it is working to annoy long-time fans of FR, and I am sure other settings as well).
It used to make me mad, but I got over it. Life's too short to worry about stupid crap. |
| Artemas Entreri |
Posted - 17 Jul 2012 : 20:10:30
quote:
Originally posted by Thauranil
I know ,its so annoying especially when you are searching through a stack of books for a realms novel.
Besides which its like they are saying that they are no longer proud to display the realms logo. Ridiculous.
The spines still have the logo, but I really don't like that the covers don't. |
| Thauranil |
Posted - 17 Jul 2012 : 18:32:30
I know ,its so annoying especially when you are searching through a stack of books for a realms novel.
Besides which its like they are saying that they are no longer proud to display the realms logo. Ridiculous. |
| Artemas Entreri |
Posted - 17 Jul 2012 : 14:31:55
The last few Forgotten Realms novel releases lack the Realms logo on the cover. Is this how it's going to be for awhile? *Sigh |
| swifty |
Posted - 31 Jan 2012 : 10:38:16
old style all the way. |
| Ayrik |
Posted - 30 Jan 2012 : 01:33:56
I think the Blood War would have more draw than the Modron March, personally. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 29 Jan 2012 : 19:05:10
Its okay, but I would like to see them put the stone-border around it (or a newer version of it). Have it where the lettering looks like its exploding outward from the wall.
They could just use the bordered version on sourcebooks, and use the plain one (the one pictured) on novels. That will help differentiate the two lines just a bit (not that it needs that).
Anyway, so long as we get a logo, I am fine with it. I suppose the size should vary depending on how closely tied to core FR it is (IF they go with the meta-setting approach I proposed elsewhere). In other words, if they tie the Planer line of products more closely to the Realms, then perhaps the realms logo should be small and go in a corner, or just above the larger Planescape logo (or whatever they want to call the 5e Planer line of products).
Something like this -
The Forgotten Realms
Planescape
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Modron March
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| Dennis |
Posted - 29 Jan 2012 : 16:39:13
There's really no distinguishable difference from the 4e logo, except it's way bigger. |
| Thelonius |
Posted - 29 Jan 2012 : 13:40:07
That one looks pretty good. Like the big Forgotten Realms words on the cover. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 29 Jan 2012 : 11:46:33
Good. It's finally bigger and on the cover. |
| Brimstone |
Posted - 29 Jan 2012 : 11:24:08
I like the new Logo. |
| Demeter |
Posted - 29 Jan 2012 : 10:00:03
Ah, there is indeed a new logo. If you will check this here picture out you'll get to see it. It's somewhat blurry, so zooming in helps.
I, for one, quite like it. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 29 Jan 2012 : 02:25:59
New one? They've released a beta already?  |
| Faraer |
Posted - 29 Jan 2012 : 01:59:45
The new one looks promising. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 29 Jan 2012 : 01:57:16
Thats where I got them from (I really enjoyed that particular storyline from Voyager - it gave me lots of time-lore fodder to use).
They were also used in Teen Titans, so one can assume that like Positronic Brains and Hyperspace, they are becoming a generic scify term.
And sometimes Sage, I feel like you are the 'Aussie' me (or I'm the American you), right down to the procrastination. Its scary. 
EDIT: Come to think of it, Cronotonic shielding plays a crucial role in my novel.... if I ever finish it. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 29 Jan 2012 : 01:08:21
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Originally posted by Markustay
And if you do want rules to reflect what the DM is doing, you could say time works like gravity - Chronotons of like nature 'pull' toward each other, so that a time-traveler could not accidentally pass-up his own exit point from a timeline. Fantasy-physics are fairly simple to fudge.
I actually have some RW theories regarding this (but instead of fictional chronotons, I just say everyone's EM field is like a temporal 'fingerprint'). The universe finds something out-of-place, and attempts to match the field resonance.
Markus, your "chronotons" sound suspiciously like the Chronitons described in several of the various STAR TREK series.
[Which is to say that I've always found the idea itself, quite interesting. I've just never discovered a way to tweak the concept enough for my own temporal theories in campaigns.] |
| Markustay |
Posted - 29 Jan 2012 : 00:16:27
Not completely random.
The DM still gets final say, so the 'random' is actually premeditated.
Just because the universe is random doesn't mean our rules have to reflect that.
And if you do want rules to reflect what the DM is doing, you could say time works like gravity - Chronotons of like nature 'pull' toward each other, so that a time-traveler could not accidentally pass-up his own exit point from a timeline. Fantasy-physics are fairly simple to fudge.
I actually have some RW theories regarding this (but instead of fictional chronotons, I just say everyone's EM field is like a temporal 'fingerprint'). The universe finds something out-of-place, and attempts to match the field resonance.
Anyhow, I have been developing this 'one world' theory further for the theoretical 5e model, which you can read about in my 'wish list' thread. Basically, if every setting becomes a sub-setting of FR, then the need for logos is somewhat abated. FR then becomes the meta-setting (along with a re-defined planescape, which should be an integral part of FR, if FR becomes core). |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 28 Jan 2012 : 16:19:43
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Originally posted by Jakk
I like the idea of time having no fixed ratio between any two crystal spheres; from one world to the next, the amount of time compression/dilation is entirely random on each and every trip between them. Did I mention I like chaos? 
It's not a bad idea, but I'm not cool with the fact that this could mean the PCs return to a particular crystal sphere before they even left it. This accidental time travel could cause some continuity issues for a DM, and not just the major stuff, like preventing an RSE. What if the PCs realize they came back early, and find a way to warn their earlier selves about something unexpected the DM had sprung on them? |
| Tamsar |
Posted - 28 Jan 2012 : 16:17:16
Original logo all day long. Having said that I think it could be modernised with regards to making the gold more golden ans stone background looking more realistic using the latest printing techniques. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 28 Jan 2012 : 05:26:11
quote:
Originally posted by Jakk
You know, I was thinking much the same thing, in another scroll that was addressing the definition of 'now' in the Realms vs. 'now' on Earth before and after the time-jump. Interesting stuff... mind you, I'd be a philosopher if there were still a market for that job... and I think our RW condition owes a great deal to that lack of market... but I digress... I like the idea of time having no fixed ratio between any two crystal spheres; from one world to the next, the amount of time compression/dilation is entirely random on each and every trip between them. Did I mention I like chaos?
If you've a mind toward using such concepts in RPGs, I'd recommend reading [assuming you haven't already done so] the 2e Chronomancer supplement. |
| Jakk |
Posted - 28 Jan 2012 : 05:15:31
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Originally posted by Markustay
I wouldn't like to see something like that amalgam map I worked on awhile back.
I would agree with that... it was interesting, but it lacked something... although it would still have been better than fouling up the internal geography of what we had.
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
Maybe make the Realms 'Unforgotten'? Something like that - create a guild of 'world-walkers' and use t the way PF/Golarion uses the Pathfinder's Society? That could blow up in their face though - it would have to be done really, REALLY well.
And maybe connect it to Golarion? That would be Sweeeeeeeeeeeet!
I like the idea... but I think the Realms would have to become a property of Paizo first... and I don't think Paizo's interested, even if Hasbro wanted to unload the IP... and I think 5E would have to tank REALLY badly for them to do that, and from the way they're approaching it, it shouldn't... unless their playtest sample set is badly skewed statistically.
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Originally posted by Markustay
Heh... I just realized something. Planescape would make a good basis for the 5e setting. Outside of a crystal sphere/world, time works differently - that could solve everything right there.
You know, I was thinking much the same thing, in another scroll that was addressing the definition of 'now' in the Realms vs. 'now' on Earth before and after the time-jump. Interesting stuff... mind you, I'd be a philosopher if there were still a market for that job... and I think our RW condition owes a great deal to that lack of market... but I digress... I like the idea of time having no fixed ratio between any two crystal spheres; from one world to the next, the amount of time compression/dilation is entirely random on each and every trip between them. Did I mention I like chaos?
Back on topic: I think I've said it before, but as long as the Realms products have a Realms logo, I'm good with that. Oh, and can someone explain why, in an edition where game mechanics are the same regardless of the world you're on, they took away the ability to travel between worlds? It seems to me that the other way around would be in order... make it *easier* to travel between worlds... then it helps explain why all these previously "setting-specific" creatures are found on all worlds... *sigh* logic was sadly lacking...  |
| Artemas Entreri |
Posted - 26 Jan 2012 : 19:50:47
I'll be happy as long as we get to see some kind of Forgotten Realms logo on the novel covers. |
