| T O P I C R E V I E W |
| coach |
Posted - 14 Oct 2009 : 21:12:38
I am in the midst of a long-term project in this region of the Realms and I was wanting to make sure I had collected ALL of the canon from this area
I seek info on Cold Lands, Damara, Vaasa, Narfell, Great Glacier, Sossal, Bloodstone, Galena mountains as well as people and places within
Most of the Campaign Settings say the same thing so I have excluded 1e and 2e FRCS
Also, this project doesn't contain 4e material so no need to post 4e sources
Some sources below do not mention the Cold Lands but were used because those sources detailed a race known only or mainly to the Cold Lands region (i.e. Arctic Dwarf, Ulutians, Avariel, Gray Orc).
I will list below a list of sources from this region and I would like the 'Keep sages to see if I have left any out:
MAJOR = large quantity of Cold Lands canon info
MINOR = small amount of Cold Lands canon info
I. CANON SOURCES
A. MAJOR - ACCESSORIES
1. Bloodstone Lands (FR9) – accessory, RA Salvatore 1989
2. Bloodstone Pass (H1) – module box set, Douglas Niles/Michael Dobson 1985
3. The Mines of Bloodstone (H2) – module, Niles/ Dobson 1986
4. The Bloodstone Wars (H3) – module, Niles/Dobson/Ed Greenwood 1987
5. The Throne of Bloodstone (H4) - module, Niles/ Dobson 1988
6. Dungeoneer’s Survival Guide (DSG) – sourcebook, Niles 1986
7. The Great Glacier (GG) – accessory, Rick Swan 1992
8. Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting (FRCS) – campaign guide, 2001
9. The Horde (Horde) – boxed set, Zeb Cook 1990
10. Dwarves Deep (FR11) – accessory, Greenwood 1990
B. MAJOR - NOVELS
1. Promise of the Witch-King (PotWK) – novel, Sellswords trilogy #2, Salvatore 2005
2. Road of the Patriarch (RotP) – novel, Sellswords trilogy #3, Salvatore 2006
3. The Ruin (Ruin) – novel, Richard Lee Byers 2006
4. Soldiers of Ice (SoI) – novel, Harpers’ series #7
5. Dragons: World's Afire (D:WA) - If They Ever Happen Upon My Lair - novella, Salvatore 2006
C. MAJOR - ARTICLES
1. The Chasm Bridge – magazine article, Dragon #131 (Dungeon #101), Desmond Varady
D. MINOR ACCESSORIES
1. Demihuman Dieties (DD) – accessory, Eric Boyd 1998
2. Faiths and Avatars (FA) – accessory, Boyd
3. Unapproachable East (UE) – sourcebook
4. Races of Faerun (RoF) – sourcebook, Boyd, Matt Forbeck, James Jacobs 2003
5. Lost Empires of Faerun (LEoF) – sourcebook, Richard Baker, Bonny, Stout 2005
6. Player’s Guide to Faerun (PGtF) – sourcebook, Baker, Stout, Wyatt 2004
7. Powers and Pantheons (PaP) – accessory, Boyd 1997
8. For Duty and Deity (FDaD) – module, Dale Donovan 1998
9. Villians Lorebook (VL) – accessory, Dale Donovan 1998
10. Volo’s Guide to All Things Magical (VGM) – accessory, Greenwood/Boyd 1996
11. Netheril: Empire of Magic (N:EoM) – boxed set, slade/Jim Butler 1996
12. Wizards and Rogues of the Realms (WaR) – accessory, William Conners 1995
13. Warriors and Priests of the Realms (WaP) – accessory, John Terra 1996
14. Player’s Guide to the Forgotten Realms (PGFR) – accessory, 1993
15. Pages from the Mages (PftM) – accessory, Greenwood and Tim Beach 1995
16. Hall of Heroes (HoH) – accessory, various 1989
17. Underdark (U) – sourcebook, Cordell, Kestrel, and Quick 2003
18. Heroes Lorebook (HL) – accessory, Donovan and Paul Culotta 1996
19. Draconomicon (D) – 2nd ed. accessory, Nigel Findley 1990
20. Champions of Ruin (CoR) – sourcebook, Boyd, Wil Upchurch, and Jeff Crook 2005
21. A Grand Tour of the Realms (GTotR) – campaign guide, Greenwood and Grubb 1993
22. Champions of Valor (CoV) – sourcebook, Thomas Reid and Sean Reynolds 2005
23. Mysteries of the Moonsea (MotM) – sourcebook, Reid, Reynolds, Drader, Upchurch 2006
24. Forgotten Realms Atlas
25. Dragons of Faerun (DoF) – sourcebook, Eric Boyd and Eytan Bernstein, 2006
E. MINOR – NOVELS
1. The Rage (Rage) – novel, Richard Lee Byers 2004
2. The Rite (Rite) – novel, Richard Lee Byers 2005
3. Realms of the Dragons (RotD) – short story - Wickless in the Nether, Salvatore 2004
4. Realms of Infamy (RoI) – short story – Twilight, Troy Denning
5. Realms of Shadow (RoS) - short story - Darksword, Denning 2001
6. Realms of Shadow (RoS) - short story - That Curious Sword, Salvatore, 2001
7. Return of the Archwizards - trilogy - Denning 2001
8. Pool of Radiance - novel - James M. Ward & Jane Cooper Hong 1989
9. Bloodwalk - novel - James P. Davis 2006
F. MINOR – ARTICLES
1. Assassin’s Run – magazine article, Dragon #64, Greenwood-source of ch.4 in H3
2. Sailors on the Sea of Air – magazine article, Dragon #124, Greenwood
3. Elminster’s Notebook – magazine article, Dragon #216, Greenwood
4. Branching Out All Over – magazine article, Dragon #209, Roger E. Moore
5. Portals of the Frozen Wastes (PotFW) – Perilous Gateways web article – wizards.com - http://www.wizards.com/dnd/article.asp?x=fr/pg20020626z
6. Realms Personalities – web articles - wizards.com, various authors and links
7. Deity Do’s and Don’ts (DDaD) – web enhancement - wizards.com, Reynolds
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20020504a
8. Impiltur: The Forgotten Kingdom – magazine article, Dragon #346, George Krashos
9. Rivals – magazine article, Dragon # ??,
*NOTE: The short story “The Greatest Hero Who Ever Died” from Realms of Infamy, although referencing Sossal, isn’t canon as it uses non-Realms cities and sites (actual real life places in England) and so isn’t included as a source |
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| coach |
Posted - 12 May 2010 : 13:54:53
Book two of Lady Peninent series: Storm of the Dead
discusses the Acropolis of Thanatos, temple of Kiaransalee, in the city of V'eldrinnssharr (sp?) located in the underdark under the Galena Mountains |
| coach |
Posted - 12 May 2010 : 13:48:52
it is one of the handful of "stretches" i made with canon in my project (along with keeping iyraclea alive LOL) in an otherwise 99.9% strict canon product
in a couple of Bloodstone Lands references, it is mentioned to use Deepearth as the underdark setting of the Bloodstone Lands. Deepearth is found in the DSG. It is sorta like the 3ed regular DnD sources that have the "...In Eberron" and "...In Faerun" sidebars , except this 'sidebar' was from 1st ed.
I'll try to find the exact references with page numbers
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| Jakk |
Posted - 12 May 2010 : 07:00:24
I was looking through your list of sources here... and I couldn't find anything in the Dungeoneer's Survival Guide; just curious as to why it's on your list. I *do* love the mining rules from that book...  |
| coach |
Posted - 18 Apr 2010 : 03:38:10
Demihumans of the Realms
has info about:
Arctic Dwarves living in the Great Glacier
Avariel living in Sossal
and mentions dwaven lorefinders seeking the 'lost halls of Dareth' (ancient Dareth kingdom located in what is now Sossal) |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 09 Apr 2010 : 23:57:17
Wizards has a very bad habit of periodicly rearranging their site, without bothering to update any links. I don't think they've actually taken anything down, it's just that the links are no longer there. I know for a fact that the old Roll of Years file, first posted back in 2000, is still there on the Wizard site -- though the links leading to that file have been gone for five years or more. And I recently tracked down where they'd moved the old Spin a Yarn files, and also Elaine's "History of the Crinti" article. |
| Ashe Ravenheart |
Posted - 09 Apr 2010 : 19:34:16
That's because the 'restructured' the pages so the old links get redirected to the new page. You can still find some of the old stuff by doing Google site searches (XXXXXX site:www.wizards.com). |
| coach |
Posted - 09 Apr 2010 : 19:03:21
alot of the candlekeep links from the home page go to that same /index page too |
| Ashe Ravenheart |
Posted - 09 Apr 2010 : 18:40:49
Actually, it appears that they've removed old 'web enhancements' and such for novels. There's a forum thread on the WotC board asking about it, but there's been no information forthcoming.
So I hope you all grabbed the pages detailing Catti-Brie and Cadderly's 3E stats before they disappeared. Not to sound paranoid, but I'd make sure you get all the stuff off the Old D&D Downloads page soon. No tellin' when it may not be there anymore. |
| coach |
Posted - 09 Apr 2010 : 17:54:49
aye unfortunately, a bunch of great old web url's that i had saved from Wizards.com now just forward to some generic /index page on their site |
| Kyrene |
Posted - 09 Apr 2010 : 09:19:49
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
The Bloodwalk novel, which features some tidbits about Narfell and Raumathar. 'Tis by James P. Davis [2006].
As does the web companion piece "Bloodline". I'm not sure where WotC hides it on their site these days, but a copy of it can be found at O-Love's site (Bloodline). |
| coach |
Posted - 08 Apr 2010 : 16:41:55
NEW: Dragon Magazine #70
Just a snip of info about a ranger who fought giants in the Great Glacier with the help of a magical shield
article by Ed Greenwood |
| coach |
Posted - 10 Feb 2010 : 04:04:11
Giantcraft - FR 2ed Accessory
bunches of info on Ostoria with mention of part of that kingdom (including the capital Voninheim) occupying land that is now under the Great Glacier |
| coach |
Posted - 10 Feb 2010 : 03:58:33
Sentinelspire - Mark Sehestedt
FR Novel in the Citadels series
contains a glossary in the front of the book that lists several orcish words/phrases of the Stone Tooth clan of Vaasa |
| coach |
Posted - 10 Feb 2010 : 03:57:55
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
Oh, on second thought, I do immediately notice one minor source you've missed. Krash's other 'Impiltur' article for DRAGON -- "Soargar's Legacy" [#277].
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And to help complete some of the details you're missing...
The Bloodwalk novel, which features some tidbits about Narfell and Raumathar. 'Tis by James P. Davis [2006].
The first and original Pool of Radiance novel -- by James M. Ward and Jane Cooper Hong [1989].
I'm not sure about that "Rivals" article from DRAGON. A quick search of the DragonDex didn't reveal anything with that title.
'Rivals' is in Dragon #343 ... doesn't take place in the Cold Lands but it does have Raryn in the article who hails from the Great Glacier |
| coach |
Posted - 31 Jan 2010 : 04:00:41
The Fall of Highwatch : novel by Mark Sehedset (spelling?)
has an introduction with canon info about Narfell and Damara from pre-spellplague time
and many of the book's places and characters were alive pre-spellplague so can be used as a 3e source
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| coach |
Posted - 15 Jan 2010 : 00:56:26
found several more - will post them soon |
| George Krashos |
Posted - 05 Nov 2009 : 02:54:51
Nope, seems like you've got pretty much all of them. I did put in a few historical references to Sossal in the GHotR but that's about all I can think of.
-- George Krashos
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| coach |
Posted - 31 Oct 2009 : 16:03:48
then that makes it a source!
thanks Krash
do you know of any other sources I have missed? |
| George Krashos |
Posted - 31 Oct 2009 : 06:48:41
The write-up of Malagar "the Burnfang" in Dragon #277 does mention some Giantspire Mountains geography.
-- George Krashos
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| coach |
Posted - 29 Oct 2009 : 17:07:32
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
quote:
Originally posted by coach
i am basically looking for just the areas found in 3ed Cold Lands, so unless #277 Dragon has any about their neighbors, I guess it isn't a source I am looking for
Well, it has Impiltur info, and you're cataloguing those sources, so I'd say it's something you're looking for. 
 : oops it came out wrong
to the above, i mean to say unless #277 has any info about IMPILTUR'S neighbors (to the north), I guess it isn't a source I am looking for
sorry |
| coach |
Posted - 29 Oct 2009 : 16:55:27
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
quote:
Originally posted by coach
i am basically looking for just the areas found in 3ed Cold Lands, so unless #277 Dragon has any about their neighbors, I guess it isn't a source I am looking for
Well, it has Impiltur info, and you're cataloguing those sources, so I'd say it's something you're looking for.
: oops it came out wrong
to the above, i mean to say unless #277 has any info about IMPILTUR'S neighbors (to the north), I guess it isn't a source I am looking for
sorry |
| Kyrene |
Posted - 29 Oct 2009 : 08:41:03
Probably another MINOR - NOVELS source is Shield of the Weeping Ghost, also by James P. Davis. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 28 Oct 2009 : 23:47:14
quote:
Originally posted by coach
i am basically looking for just the areas found in 3ed Cold Lands, so unless #277 Dragon has any about their neighbors, I guess it isn't a source I am looking for
Well, it has Impiltur info, and you're cataloguing those sources, so I'd say it's something you're looking for. |
| coach |
Posted - 28 Oct 2009 : 17:05:28
in 2ed, Impiltur was in the Bloodstone Lands supplement
in 3ed, Impiltur wasn't a part of the Cold Lands region
i am basically looking for just the areas found in 3ed Cold Lands, so unless #277 Dragon has any about their neighbors, I guess it isn't a source I am looking for
thanks so much for the replies though, keep em coming please
Impiltur and Damara do have overlapping canon though as far as trade routes and Soneillon so always looking for more sources |
| Markustay |
Posted - 28 Oct 2009 : 16:34:49
Are you sure it's 277? I don't see it....
Edit: Nvmd - found it in the Bazaar of the bazarre.
Edit2: I'm just glancing through it, and although I don't see any geographic specifics, it does have a nice chunk of Impiturran history in it, maing it worthwhile.
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| The Sage |
Posted - 16 Oct 2009 : 04:52:34
I'll have to re-check my copy, as I don't have it handy at the moment.
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| coach |
Posted - 16 Oct 2009 : 04:12:39
does it have anything specific about giantspire mountains other than that that is where Soargar's Legacy was lost? ... |
| The Sage |
Posted - 16 Oct 2009 : 01:04:49
quote:
Originally posted by coach
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
Oh, on second thought, I do immediately notice one minor source you've missed. Krash's other 'Impiltur' article for DRAGON -- "Soargar's Legacy" [#277].
well it is a mystery ... i went to my stack of Dragons
and thumbing through I am missing #277
i wonder if someone pointed out this issue to me before and i took it out of the collection to research it and didn't put it back (nor write down any of the info LOL)
or maybe it is one of the 3 or 4 issues i don't own
'Tis a worthwhile source, and I usually include it whenever I direct interested scribes to info about Impiltur.
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| coach |
Posted - 15 Oct 2009 : 23:47:35
new source:
Dungeon Magazine #53 - module called "Steelheart" - set in Darmshall, frontier fort-town in Vaasa - Paul Culotta 1995
ETA: not "set" in Darmshall, Steelheart lives in Darmshall but the module runs through Moortown and Sullasspryn |
| coach |
Posted - 15 Oct 2009 : 19:36:11
in searching for the article on Dorn and Raryn, i came across another article on Byers' protagonists - Taegan (winged elf) in Dragon #320
he is from Earthwood in Damara (mentioned in article) but the story takes place in Calaunt so i don't think i'll add it as a source |
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