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| jcdf |
Posted - 25 Sep 2009 : 12:11:36
I am curious about The Jungles of Chult, The Black Jungles and Mhair Jungles. About their politics, history, life and society, government, cities, religion, peoples and monsters. Any knowledge or even tad-bits would be nice, thanks.
Serpent Kingdoms book by Ed Greenwood covers this area, is it any good? Where can I buy it quickly?
Are there any fiction novels set in Chult, Samarach, Thindol or Tashalar?
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| Bob |
Posted - 13 Sep 2022 : 22:22:56
"Jungle Chalta", "Black Jungle" and "Jungle Mhair" I think you can find them on amazon |
| The Sage |
Posted - 06 Oct 2009 : 16:56:17
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Originally posted by Quale
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Originally posted by The Sage
Heh. I'll admit, I kinda used the basis of the Conclave as the reason for a further schism among the Moonstars -- re-aligning the actual aims of the 'Stars and taking them into territory even Khelben would be weary of.
Further schism ?
Aye. The Moonstars developed a little differently in my Realms. Their origins remain much the same, but they followed a somewhat more violent course, at least initially, which ultimately caused a second schism among their ranks. Now two groups exist, those following Khelben's orders, and those who consider even the Blackstaff's methods too tame.
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| Quale |
Posted - 06 Oct 2009 : 15:56:02
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Originally posted by The Sage
Heh. I'll admit, I kinda used the basis of the Conclave as the reason for a further schism among the Moonstars -- re-aligning the actual aims of the 'Stars and taking them into territory even Khelben would be weary of.
Further schism ?
Forgot about the Great Ones, cause I hardly use Kara-Tur, they're in the Eastern Realms, mystical like the original Red Wizards were supposed to be, their training is one of the best I read I had to have them. |
| Delzounblood |
Posted - 02 Oct 2009 : 09:22:52
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Originally posted by Quale
The slaadi, that's another good option for them.
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I've always liked his idea for dark elves... The fact that a moredhel can become an eledhel, and vice versa, is to me a lot cooler than dark-skinned subterranean elves. Don't get me wrong, I like drow (though not as much as some!  ), but I love the idea of dark elves and regular elves being virtually identical.
Agree about the drow and dark elves, probably the drow would be irredeemable. I hardly ever use drow. It's a good idea of different elven cultures rather than subraces. The -edhel names are annoying tough. And the eldar place on Kelewan reminds of Auseriel. The elven spellweavers fits, being that elves are creatures of the Weave.
This is simular to Dragonlance with Dark Elves being cast out / renegade elves, I have used this in FR, the elves in question being a Golf Elf Family cast out from Evermeet for their dark ways, the clan grew with like minded Elves joining the clan. thus in my own homebrew a new sub-sub race of Evil Gold Elves was brought about.
Delz
Just noticed we are a bit off topic here +sorry+ |
| The Sage |
Posted - 02 Oct 2009 : 00:56:29
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Originally posted by Quale
Other ideas I like, the Conclave of Shadows and the Moonstars are similar, and the idea of artifacts like the ones Tomas has. And I had Armengar as an isolated city in the Tortured Lands (except there are daemons around, and no oil).
Heh. I'll admit, I kinda used the basis of the Conclave as the reason for a further schism among the Moonstars -- re-aligning the actual aims of the 'Stars and taking them into territory even Khelben would be weary of.
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| Quale |
Posted - 01 Oct 2009 : 20:52:05
The slaadi, that's another good option for them.
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I've always liked his idea for dark elves... The fact that a moredhel can become an eledhel, and vice versa, is to me a lot cooler than dark-skinned subterranean elves. Don't get me wrong, I like drow (though not as much as some! ), but I love the idea of dark elves and regular elves being virtually identical.
Agree about the drow and dark elves, probably the drow would be irredeemable. I hardly ever use drow. It's a good idea of different elven cultures rather than subraces. The -edhel names are annoying tough. And the eldar place on Kelewan reminds of Auseriel. The elven spellweavers fits, being that elves are creatures of the Weave.
Other ideas I like, the Conclave of Shadows and the Moonstars are similar, and the idea of artifacts like the ones Tomas has. And I had Armengar as an isolated city in the Tortured Lands (except there are daemons around, and no oil).
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| The Sage |
Posted - 01 Oct 2009 : 00:40:57
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Originally posted by Quale
yea WH has lots of usable ideas, I imagine Slann as something between (evolutionary) the batrachi and the reptilians, always thought the amphibians should be older. Of other scaleys Aelfinn of WoT are interesting, but there's not enough about them.
The Slann have featured heavily in my PLANESCAPE campaign. In fact, I've derived part of their origin from the Slaadi.  |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 30 Sep 2009 : 21:16:51
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Originally posted by Quale
yea WH has lots of usable ideas, I imagine Slann as something between (evolutionary) the batrachi and the reptilians, always thought the amphibians should be older. Of other scaleys Aelfinn of WoT are interesting, but there's not enough about them.
Anyone else used Feist's ideas in their campaigns? The Talnoy seem perfect as weapons of Imaskar.
I've always liked his idea for dark elves... The fact that a moredhel can become an eledhel, and vice versa, is to me a lot cooler than dark-skinned subterranean elves. Don't get me wrong, I like drow (though not as much as some! ), but I love the idea of dark elves and regular elves being virtually identical. |
| Quale |
Posted - 30 Sep 2009 : 20:51:51
yea WH has lots of usable ideas, I imagine Slann as something between (evolutionary) the batrachi and the reptilians, always thought the amphibians should be older. Of other scaleys Aelfinn of WoT are interesting, but there's not enough about them.
Anyone else used Feist's ideas in their campaigns? The Talnoy seem perfect as weapons of Imaskar. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 29 Sep 2009 : 13:13:44
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Originally posted by Quale
The idea of Talenta halflings is a bit ridiculous imo.
Well, it wasn't really a direct translation of the Talenta halfings. Rather, it was kind of a mix between them, the Lizardmen of Warhammer, the Sarrukh, and the Pahkwa-thanh of Star Trek.
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| Quale |
Posted - 29 Sep 2009 : 12:02:08
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I don't believe the Pantathians have ever before been mentioned on this forum! I preferred Draken-Korin's tiger-men, myself, but we only got to see them once, and it was brief.
Lol. They are intriguing, always wondered why they didn't show up again when the action was in Novindus. I'd imagine them as rakshasas, with a militaristic bend. Similarly that new creatures, the quor, want to see more about them.
I wasn't a fan of the sauur initially, but that got improved. Their shamans and the city of the demented priests is interesting. About adapting the to the Realms, the Shaar would be ideal for some people. My continent where is Katashaka is dominated by reptillians and serpents, so I'm thinking some pampas-like plains.
The idea of Talenta halflings is a bit ridiculous imo.
Midkemia is among my favourite worlds, adapted a lot of stuff from there to the Realms, and it fitted easily comparing some other ideas from fantasy that I tried adjusting. I'm not jump through portal to another planet type, it always has to include the Realms. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 29 Sep 2009 : 01:45:42
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Quale
So I still prefer Stygian stuff or the Pantathians etc.
I don't believe the Pantathians have ever before been mentioned on this forum! I preferred Draken-Korin's tiger-men, myself, but we only got to see them once, and it was brief.
I'm actually more a fan of the Saaur, so...
Oooh, yeah, them and their massive horses... That might be fun to adapt for the Realms!
Aye. Thought about that somewhat, myself. At first, I had kind of a "Talenta halflings and their dinosaurs" from EBERRON vibe. But after some early and initial tinkering, I've divorced myself from that concept now. I'm working more on integration with the Realms, at the moment, but I really need to read Shadow of a Dark Queen again, because I didn't take any notes about the Saaur, the last time I read it.
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 29 Sep 2009 : 01:12:30
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Quale
So I still prefer Stygian stuff or the Pantathians etc.
I don't believe the Pantathians have ever before been mentioned on this forum! I preferred Draken-Korin's tiger-men, myself, but we only got to see them once, and it was brief.
I'm actually more a fan of the Saaur, so...
Oooh, yeah, them and their massive horses... That might be fun to adapt for the Realms! |
| The Sage |
Posted - 29 Sep 2009 : 00:40:51
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Quale
So I still prefer Stygian stuff or the Pantathians etc.
I don't believe the Pantathians have ever before been mentioned on this forum! I preferred Draken-Korin's tiger-men, myself, but we only got to see them once, and it was brief.
I'm actually more a fan of the Saaur, so...
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 28 Sep 2009 : 22:28:14
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Originally posted by Quale
So I still prefer Stygian stuff or the Pantathians etc.
I don't believe the Pantathians have ever before been mentioned on this forum! I preferred Draken-Korin's tiger-men, myself, but we only got to see them once, and it was brief.
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| Quale |
Posted - 28 Sep 2009 : 20:11:08
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Originally posted by The Sage
Heh. I actually preferred Vanity's Brood. Ring of Winter had its moments, but then, I'm a sucker for Scaly Folk-tales... and Smedman's novels simply delivered more of what I was looking for.
Ring of Winter, maybe the plot could have been better, but it had a few wonderful ideas, and I like the mystery around the artifact, the ice-age threat.
Vanity's Brood was refreshing after the awful second novel where only the marilith in the end was interesting. Scaleyfolk are fun, but we didn't see enough of their lifestyle and about the inner-conflicts of their houses, except the ''baths'', needed more of that. Smaragd, finally there was something planar but I felt the place was too desolate, with ''from point A to B purpose''. So I still prefer Stygian stuff or the Pantathians etc. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 28 Sep 2009 : 15:47:08
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Originally posted by Quale
It's about a psionic from Hlondeth chasing some yuan-ti who are along with the wild dwarf character the only Chult-ish elements in the book. Ring of Winter has the great Mezro, that alone trumps Vanity's Brood.
Heh. I actually preferred Vanity's Brood. Ring of Winter had its moments, but then, I'm a sucker for Scaly Folk-tales... and Smedman's novels simply delivered more of what I was looking for. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 28 Sep 2009 : 15:24:15
Ring of Winter is more of a "Lost World"-type of tale. Modern (for the Realms) guy going into the jungle, finding dinosaurs and a lost civilization. It's a fun tale. |
| Quale |
Posted - 28 Sep 2009 : 09:41:51
It's about a psionic from Hlondeth chasing some yuan-ti who are along with the wild dwarf character the only Chult-ish elements in the book. Ring of Winter has the great Mezro, that alone trumps Vanity's Brood. |
| jcdf |
Posted - 27 Sep 2009 : 20:49:22
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Originally posted by Quale
The novel Vanity's Brood also happens partially in Chult, tough not as good as Ring of Winter.
What is it about? Why not as good? |
| Quale |
Posted - 26 Sep 2009 : 16:40:53
The novel Vanity's Brood also happens partially in Chult, tough not as good as Ring of Winter. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 26 Sep 2009 : 15:19:58
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Originally posted by Jorkens
Maybe a fighter or rogue with the archaeologist kit from Dragon 241 would have been a better fit for the 2nd ed.
Its been a few years since I read the book, does Artus use any clearly bardic abilities at all?
Well, he's a very knowledgeable sort, but that's about it. I'd assume he has the bardic knowledge ability, but that's about the only bardic thing he did. As I said, he really didn't do much of anything that could be limited to any one class... He's a really smart guy who fights with a dagger. That's hard to classify. |
| Thauramarth |
Posted - 26 Sep 2009 : 13:31:32
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Originally posted by Jorkens
Maybe a fighter or rogue with the archaeologist kit from Dragon 241 would have been a better fit for the 2nd ed.
I was thinking along similar lines - I always thought of Artus Cimber as the Forgotten Realms' Indiana Jones . |
| Jorkens |
Posted - 26 Sep 2009 : 12:15:30
Maybe a fighter or rogue with the archaeologist kit from Dragon 241 would have been a better fit for the 2nd ed.
Its been a few years since I read the book, does Artus use any clearly bardic abilities at all? |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 25 Sep 2009 : 21:17:04
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Originally posted by jcdf
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Originally posted by Thauramarth
1363 DR (see Grand History of the Realms, p. 146). Oh, and in his first game description (under 2nd Ed), Artus was listed as an 8th-level fighter.
8th-level I would have thought his level would have been lower. No matter.
Do you know what is his best weapon proficiency?
Code of the Harpers makes him a 7th level bard, though there is a question mark after the seven. Heroes' Lorebook named him an 8th level fighter. He doesn't have a favored weapon named, but the latter source gives him a preference for daggers, and that was most of what he used in the novel.
In the novel, he's generally described as a historian, and doesn't really do much that could be narrowed down to a specific class. Given his scholarly background and leanings, I'd prolly class him as some sort of non-spellcasting, non-entertaining bard, or maybe a fighter/bard mixture. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 25 Sep 2009 : 21:08:05
Ring of Winter also mentions, in passing, the character Razor John, who was one of the major characters in Crusade. And it was Danilo Thann who gave Uther the butler his devilish appearance, though he's not named in the book, nor does the scene take place in the book.
I like little touches like that. |
| jcdf |
Posted - 25 Sep 2009 : 20:19:16
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Originally posted by Thauramarth
1363 DR (see Grand History of the Realms, p. 146). Oh, and in his first game description (under 2nd Ed), Artus was listed as an 8th-level fighter.
8th-level I would have thought his level would have been lower. No matter.
Do you know what is his best weapon proficiency? |
| Thauramarth |
Posted - 25 Sep 2009 : 19:35:12
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Originally posted by jcdf
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Originally posted by Delzounblood
The Ring of Winter by James Lowder. Harpers Book 5
This is set mostly in the jungles of Chult and is a good read aswell.
Artus Cimber is the main character, a ranger I belive from memory.
Try looking on Ebay.
Delz
Thankyou for your help.
In what year is the book set?
1363 DR (see Grand History of the Realms, p. 146). Oh, and in his first game description (under 2nd Ed), Artus was listed as an 8th-level fighter. |
| jcdf |
Posted - 25 Sep 2009 : 17:40:32
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Originally posted by Delzounblood
The Ring of Winter by James Lowder. Harpers Book 5
This is set mostly in the jungles of Chult and is a good read aswell.
Artus Cimber is the main character, a ranger I belive from memory.
Try looking on Ebay.
Delz
Thankyou for your help.
In what year is the book set? |
| Jorkens |
Posted - 25 Sep 2009 : 16:28:00
Serpent Kingdoms would by my absolute favourite of anything published during the 3ed. era.
There's also the The Jungles of Chult adventure(and to a degree source-book)from the 2ed. Not among the best, but still |
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