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| Jamallo Kreen |
Posted - 12 Feb 2009 : 01:53:12
Where is Quilue's fight against the oozes at what is now The Promenade chronicled? It is mentioned often in the WotSQ and in the "Lady Penitent" series, but I want to know where it was first mentioned and where it is best described. A little help, please?
P.S. As for my months-long absence, please let me say simply: phone company - cancelled their ISP contract - bad things happened -- three months to get everything(?) straightened out. OY!
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| Jamallo Kreen |
Posted - 01 Mar 2009 : 23:05:00
The Acaeum's web site (I think it's there) has *M*U*C*H* more information about Immortals than any (affordable) book might contain. I heartily encourage anyone interested in playing OD&D-type "Immortals" to seek on the Internet instead of relying on a published book. Even Mongoose Publishing's The Book of Immortals falls far short of what I think that most of us would want -- as DMs -- if we were going to lay some "Immortals" before our d20 PCs.
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| Thauramarth |
Posted - 01 Mar 2009 : 07:43:04
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Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen
There is a brief section on Immortals in the Rules Cyclopedia, but I've only seen a broken pdf copy of it and don't know how many pages there are in it on Immortals.
Is there? My bad - it's been years since I had a look at the Rules Cyclopedia - when it comes to Immortals, I have always used the Wrath of the Immortals set. I should think that the RC's brief description does not contain detailed mechanics for making the transiation from mortal to immortal... It certainly does not have Immortals-specific material to play a full "epic/Immortals" level campaign. The Wrath set does, and it also contains a detailed writeup of many existing Immortals (OD&D's equivalent of the writeup in the Forgotten Realms Adventures hardcover; the writeups are not as detailed as the ones in the Gods trilogy). |
| Jamallo Kreen |
Posted - 28 Feb 2009 : 22:56:24
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Originally posted by Thauramarth
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Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen
[br(Way off topic, but since you are the "cool kids" and probably know: how much of the "Rules Cyclopedia" was taken up with what we would today call "Epic levels" -- i.e. the "Immortals"? I have toyed with getting a pdf of it or even -- fat chance! -- buying a cheap copy from eBay, but if there isn't much of what I am interested, I may go the pdf route. Class...?)
The Rules Cyclopedia did not cover immortals - it covered OD&D levels 1-36 (bascially the same scope as the old Basic, Expert, Companion, and Master sets). Immortals were covered in a separate boxed set, Wrath of the Immortals. In my view, regardless of whether it covers Immortals or not, the Rules Cyclopedia is one of the best (A)D&D books ever produced.
There is a brief section on Immortals in the Rules Cyclopedia, but I've only seen a broken pdf copy of it and don't know how many pages there are in it on Immortals.
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 28 Feb 2009 : 20:43:52
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Originally posted by Ardashir
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Ping me with your email address. I long ago copied the article -- and the map -- to Word, so I can send it to you. I'll replace the screencapped map I put in the document with one extracted from the actual file, if I can. I didn't have the full version of Adobe when I first made that file, several years back. 
If you can (legally) send conmeone a copy of that article, I'd love to have one myself if that's okay.
Ping me your email addie. I may have it, but I've gotten so many emails from folks here -- from their real names, often -- that I'm not sure who all I have email addies for!  |
| Ardashir |
Posted - 28 Feb 2009 : 18:50:29
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Ping me with your email address. I long ago copied the article -- and the map -- to Word, so I can send it to you. I'll replace the screencapped map I put in the document with one extracted from the actual file, if I can. I didn't have the full version of Adobe when I first made that file, several years back.
If you can (legally) send conmeone a copy of that article, I'd love to have one myself if that's okay. |
| Thauramarth |
Posted - 28 Feb 2009 : 18:33:13
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Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen
[br(Way off topic, but since you are the "cool kids" and probably know: how much of the "Rules Cyclopedia" was taken up with what we would today call "Epic levels" -- i.e. the "Immortals"? I have toyed with getting a pdf of it or even -- fat chance! -- buying a cheap copy from eBay, but if there isn't much of what I am interested, I may go the pdf route. Class...?)
The Rules Cyclopedia did not cover immortals - it covered OD&D levels 1-36 (bascially the same scope as the old Basic, Expert, Companion, and Master sets). Immortals were covered in a separate boxed set, Wrath of the Immortals. In my view, regardless of whether it covers Immortals or not, the Rules Cyclopedia is one of the best (A)D&D books ever produced. |
| Jamallo Kreen |
Posted - 28 Feb 2009 : 17:02:48
"Purchase" a pdf? What is this "purchase" of which you spea ... oh ... wait ... I remember how to do that! 
(Way off topic, but since you are the "cool kids" and probably know: how much of the "Rules Cyclopedia" was taken up with what we would today call "Epic levels" -- i.e. the "Immortals"? I have toyed with getting a pdf of it or even -- fat chance! -- buying a cheap copy from eBay, but if there isn't much of what I am interested, I may go the pdf route. Class...?)
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| The Sage |
Posted - 28 Feb 2009 : 07:21:18
Of course, the other alternative, is to simply purchase and download the PDF for DRAGON #176 from paizo.com, or check nobleknight.com for a second hand printed copy.
There's some good info in that article, so whatever "legal" way you can gain access to it, is probably good enough.
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 28 Feb 2009 : 07:17:57
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen
Thanks. At the moment I can't check to see if I have #176, but I shall now go hunting for it.
Ping me with your email address. I long ago copied the article -- and the map -- to Word, so I can send it to you. I'll replace the screencapped map I put in the document with one extracted from the actual file, if I can.
I was actually going to offer to do that myself, but I know Jamallo likes to have access to the actual printed stuff, so I didn't bother. 
*shrugs* I can understand that. Still, I at least can offer a jpeg of the map of the temple -- I was able to extract it from the pdf. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 28 Feb 2009 : 07:13:33
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen
Thanks. At the moment I can't check to see if I have #176, but I shall now go hunting for it.
Ping me with your email address. I long ago copied the article -- and the map -- to Word, so I can send it to you. I'll replace the screencapped map I put in the document with one extracted from the actual file, if I can.
I was actually going to offer to do that myself, but I know Jamallo likes to have access to the actual printed stuff, so I didn't bother. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 28 Feb 2009 : 07:05:13
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Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen
Thanks. At the moment I can't check to see if I have #176, but I shall now go hunting for it.
Ping me with your email address. I long ago copied the article -- and the map -- to Word, so I can send it to you. I'll replace the screencapped map I put in the document with one extracted from the actual file, if I can. I didn't have the full version of Adobe when I first made that file, several years back. |
| Jamallo Kreen |
Posted - 28 Feb 2009 : 05:18:01
Thanks. At the moment I can't check to see if I have #176, but I shall now go hunting for it.
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| The Sage |
Posted - 28 Feb 2009 : 04:49:51
The "If You Need Help -- Ask the Drow!" article I initially referenced has a map. |
| Jamallo Kreen |
Posted - 28 Feb 2009 : 04:42:43
Good and generous scholars, is there a published map of the Promenade and its surroundings? I just glossed over dozens of pages of Ascendancy of the Last because I had no idea at all where people were in relation to each other -- up, down, sideways, on another plane, standing outside a pay door on a Ryanair flight ... where?!?!
I think that "UM L3" and "UM L7" were involved in some of the running back and forth, but consultation of City of Splendors, tells me, in Hasbro's best fashion, that now that they have my money for that book, I have to buy four other products which may or may not have the information I need. Of course, I could download some of that material, and going through the maps page by page in pdf format shouldn't take more than three days....
Hasbro, would it have been so hard to just put a map into the front of the novel?
I am very glad that I am almost done with Hasbro's D&D products ... just a few more third edition books, and maybe the Undead.New.Coke book, and that's it -- my Realms purchasing thereafter will be restricted to TSR products.
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| Kentinal |
Posted - 16 Feb 2009 : 22:31:29
If You Need Help -- Ask the Drow!
by Ed Greenwood and Steven E. Schend
"The temple complex, also known as Eilistraee’s Promenade, occupies the large ruined city east and north of Skullport (and to the west and south of the Eye’s lair). "
"The Chosen’s first act was to seal off this unholy place, eventually triggering the rockfall that almost completely filled the former place of Ghaunadaur. Qilué, when she recovered, had lost the special fires of the Lady but was marked with a wisdom and a grasp of magic from that day forth. She quickly became the first -- and thus far only -- high priestess of the Chosen. At first, the drow dwelt in wandering bands in the area, resisting permanent habitations and contact with others. Their armed, vigilant tours in the caverns around the sealed Pit of Ghaunadaur were mockingly called “promenades” by other dark elves, but they proudly took that term for their own."
There also is in that article some specification as to size and staus of reconstruction at that time. Perhaps other data of interest. |
| Jamallo Kreen |
Posted - 16 Feb 2009 : 20:14:40
Below are the principally relevant passages, I think:
TSR 9585: Demihuman Deities, Eric L. Boyd, (c) 1998 TSR, Inc. AlISBN 0-7869-1239-1
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Page 15: Centuries ago, Eilistraee appeared to Qilue Veladorn and commanded the young dark elf and her playmates from part of the now-vanished drow settlement of Buiyrandyn-a small, poor gathering of drow families too small to be considered a city-to take up the singing swords provided by the Dark Maiden and destroy the Pit of Ghaunadaur. The Pit was a mile-deep shaft whose upper terminus opened into the third level of Halasters {sic} Halls. After a great battle that resulted in the destruction of an avatar of the Elder Eye as well as the most of its slithering, oozing, and creeping worshipers, the Pit was filled with rubble and the caverns around its opening collapsed. (The rubble-filled Pit of Ghaunadaur is located in the area north of Skull-port and west of Eilistraee's Promenade. The only remaining access to the rubble-filled Pit is via a long, twisting staircase capped by Eilistraee's Mound.) Qilue and the rest of the Chosen of Eilistraee then took up responsibility for patrolling the region in armed, vigilant tours mockingly referred to as promenades by other inhabitants of the area.
Page 20: Major Centers of Worship: In the South, deep beneath the heart of Sarenestar (also known as the Forest of Mir) is a place of great power sacred to Ghaunadaur. This ancient subterranean site was discovered by Clan Hune of Ilythiir prior to the Fourth Crown War. Following their discovery, the dark elves built a great temple around a massive pit in which dwelt a monstrous creature of evil placed there by the Elder Eye. When the temple, known as the Elder Orb of Ooze, was completed, the leaders of Clan Hune sought to draw on Ghaunadaur's power in preparation for the coming conflict with Keltormir. The inscrutable Elder Elemental God was displeased, however, and it lashed out of {sic} the fools who dared call on its name by causing countless oozes, slimes, jellies, and other horrid monsters to erupt from the pit and attack everything they encountered. Many of Clan Hune's leaders were destroyed, and the temple was abandoned shortly thereafter. Although its location has been long-since forgotten, the ruined temple still exists today, its defenses still active. Ghaunadaur assuredly inflicts his wrath on any solid foolish enough to profane his place of power, and some believe that fate of the wizard Shond Tharovin was sealed when the would-be tyrant removed the Living Gem from the temple.
In the North, the Elder Eye's place of greatest power was the Pit of Ghaunadaur, located deep beneath Mount Waterdeep. Several years after her birth in the Year of the Awakening Wyrm (767 DR), Qilue Veladorn, Chosen of Mystra and Eilistraee, led a handful of her dark elven playmates from their tiny, now-vanished settlement of Buiyrandyn in an assault on the Pit of Ghaunadaur. After destroying an avatar of Ghaunadaur resident therein and causing its minions to flee or be destroyed, the Chosen of Eilistraee (as the dark elven children were collectively known) sealed the downward fissures and tunnels in the temple by which Ghaunadaur's surviving minions had fled and caused a rockfall that filled what was left of the Pit of Ghaunadaur. After centuries of patrolling the passages around the Pit, the Chosen built a temple of Eilistraee, which they named the Promenade, atop the long-sealed Pit. That Which Lurks has never accepted the loss of its place of power in what is now the third level of Undermountain north and east of the subterranean city of Skullport, and its minions have remained active in the region. For several years, a circle of ghaunadan based in a small temple to the Elder Eye in a hidden cellar beneath a warehouse in Dock Ward have been active in Waterdeep and Halastar's Halls. In the Year of the Banner (1368 DR), Ghaunadaur's cultists-12 ghaunadan commanders and approximately 50 semi-intelligent slimes and oozes - began a full-scale assault on the Promenade from the northern and eastern caverns that lasted several months. While the Chosen of Eilistraee ultimately prevailed-thanks in part to the assistance of Qilue's sister, Laeral Silverhand-and drove off their foes, the followers of Ghaunadaur were not destroyed, and the cult continues to rebuild its strength in preparation for another assault.
So, sages and scholars of the lore of yore: do we know much more about this southern center of worship, and where might lore relating to it be found, other than here, of course?
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| Jamallo Kreen |
Posted - 15 Feb 2009 : 05:43:27
I have three passages from DD copied out, but I wasn't able to post them. Where, pray, besides Demihuman Deities, is the southern Pit detailed?
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| The Sage |
Posted - 12 Feb 2009 : 14:57:14
Seven Sisters. Right... that's the one I was thinking of. |
| Kuje |
Posted - 12 Feb 2009 : 14:46:27
Seven Sister's has it to. Pretty much any book about Qilue and or Eilistraee has it in there, if its from the 1e/2e material. |
| Jamallo Kreen |
Posted - 12 Feb 2009 : 08:49:52
Thank you, gentle scholars! Now I know. (And now if I could just find that book ... it's gotta be around here somewhe ... oh ... ahem! Thank you all.)
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| The Sage |
Posted - 12 Feb 2009 : 05:04:22
Aye, 'tis from Eilistraee's entry in Demihuman Deities. The website in question should probably note the source that info came from.
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| Kentinal |
Posted - 12 Feb 2009 : 04:58:14
It is also reported in some of the Deity books if I recall correctly.
One might look to _Seven Sisters and Heroes' Lorebook_ to learm a little more about
However from (website)
"Centuries ago, Eilistraee appeared to Qilue Veladorn and commanded the
young dark elf and her playmates from part of the now-vanished drow
settlement of Buiyrandyn-a small, poor gathering of drow families too
small to be considered a city-to take up the singing swords provided by
the Dark Maiden and destroy the Pit of Ghaunadaur. The Pit was a
mile-deep shaft whose upper terminus opened into the third level of
Halasters Halls. After a great battle that resulted in the destruction
of an avatar of the Elder Eye as well as the most of its slithering,
oozing, and creeping worshipers, the Pit was filled with rubble and the
caverns around its opening collapsed. (The rubble-filled Pit of
Ghaunadaur is located in the area north of Skull-port and west of
Eilistraee's Promenade."
IIRC Demi-Human Deities (Name?) |
| Brimstone |
Posted - 12 Feb 2009 : 03:52:28
-Grand History of the Realms?
BRIMSTONE |
| The Sage |
Posted - 12 Feb 2009 : 03:20:25
It's briefly touched on in both "If You Need Help -- Ask the Drow!" in DRAGON #176 and the Skullport accessory.
Errr... I'm sure there's another source, but I can't recall it at the moment.
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