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| bitter thorn |
Posted - 24 Aug 2008 : 21:52:50
My SO is playing a half-Fey sorceress from Silvery Moon, however she is having a bit of a challenge figuring out what the Fey half and background are. She's using the FF half-Fey template.
While this is a specific request for suggestions that would be appropriate to the region and character. It is also a request for FR lore about the Fey in general.
Thanks! |
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| The Sage |
Posted - 08 Sep 2008 : 01:00:52
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Originally posted by monknwildcat
Thanks for keeping us posted, Bitter Thorn & Gwyndar! It sounds like an interesting campaign! 
IIRC, there's errata online for Faeries. I'm thinking at Bastion's site.... 
There is indeed. See here:- http://dragonwing.net/downloads/Faeries_errata.pdf |
| monknwildcat |
Posted - 08 Sep 2008 : 00:30:06
Thanks for keeping us posted, Bitter Thorn & Gwyndar! It sounds like an interesting campaign!
IIRC, there's errata online for Faeries. I'm thinking at Bastion's site.... |
| bitter thorn |
Posted - 07 Sep 2008 : 22:06:42
Faeries is put together very nicely. I like how the flavor text and background information are written, and it seems well balanced mechanically also. Thanks for the recommendation!
http://www.dragonwing.net/
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Originally posted by bitter thorn
We've bought the PDF version, and I like what I've seen so far. We'll let you know if we incorporate it into the game.
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Originally posted by The Sage
Pick up a copy of Faeries from Bastion Press. It's written by Bryon Wischstadt, "long-time Realms fanatic and all-around good guy, wrote this guide to Faerie (both the realm/plane and inhabitants) and yours truly edited it alongside him. As both of us (and Jim Butler, Bastion's president, CEO, and chief cook and bottle washer) all have a deep and abiding love for the Realms, there's nothing in there that wouldn't work in terms of using Faerie as a source for ancient elves (or other more modern threats). It's a mix of old folklore and modern conceptions of Faerie and even stats up Old Man Winter, Father Time, and Father Christmas if you want such." [The part quoted above was taken from a reply made by Steven Schend here at Candlekeep]
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| bitter thorn |
Posted - 01 Sep 2008 : 08:16:41
We've bought the PDF version, and I like what I've seen so far. We'll let you know if we incorporate it into the game.
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Originally posted by The Sage
Pick up a copy of Faeries from Bastion Press. It's written by Bryon Wischstadt, "long-time Realms fanatic and all-around good guy, wrote this guide to Faerie (both the realm/plane and inhabitants) and yours truly edited it alongside him. As both of us (and Jim Butler, Bastion's president, CEO, and chief cook and bottle washer) all have a deep and abiding love for the Realms, there's nothing in there that wouldn't work in terms of using Faerie as a source for ancient elves (or other more modern threats). It's a mix of old folklore and modern conceptions of Faerie and even stats up Old Man Winter, Father Time, and Father Christmas if you want such." [The part quoted above was taken from a reply made by Steven Schend here at Candlekeep]
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| Gwyndar |
Posted - 31 Aug 2008 : 19:21:13
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Silverymoon's in the middle of diverse geography. Almost any fey could be within a ride of the city, from a fossergrim to satyr and dryads.
The character under discussion here is mine. The problem I'm having in identifying the fey side is that so many fey are too odd looking,
(satyr) to fit with my character's build, or too small. I don't feel I could go with dryad or nymph because it seems then I would have to use the half-dryad/half-nymph template instead of half-fey.
I have the basic storyline for her life, but the challenge is finding the actual fey race that makes sense. My character is CG, so any of the evil ones don't fit, and so many of the others are too small to fit. I have been considering the Sidhe, since they seem to be common in Silvery Moon.
I also especially like the Forest-folk (Thanks to HawkinstheDM for the link to the articles)since I am going with the hair color that changes with the seasons. Their size also seems large enough that my character's size would not be limited.
Thank you all for helping with this build. I'm relatively new to gaming, so I'm especially challenged in the area of character creation and development that makes sense to me. (It took the DM and everyone else a long time to make me understand why I lost 2 levels with this build.  I felt pretty cheated, especially when I got in trouble for using my natural charm ability in Waterdeep.  I didn't know that others consider charm to be inherently evil?  |
| bitter thorn |
Posted - 29 Aug 2008 : 14:41:00
This approach definately has the merit of allowing a lot of story and character latitude.
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Originally posted by Pasta Fzoul
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Originally posted by monknwildcat
Some theorized that species of a fey doesn't always follow its lineage. Perhaps the children of fey do not always favor their fey parent's race and manifest feyness (e.g. sprite appearing wings) independent of their actual lineage (e.g. dryad)?
Given the fundamentally chaotic nature of Fey, this is the approach I would take.
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| Pasta Fzoul |
Posted - 29 Aug 2008 : 04:00:13
quote:
Originally posted by monknwildcat
Some theorized that species of a fey doesn't always follow its lineage. Perhaps the children of fey do not always favor their fey parent's race and manifest feyness (e.g. sprite appearing wings) independent of their actual lineage (e.g. dryad)?
Given the fundamentally chaotic nature of Fey, this is the approach I would take. |
| Ashe Ravenheart |
Posted - 29 Aug 2008 : 03:23:47
*ahem* He came into this world with the feytouched abilities, using them to reconnect Shadowdale to their fey roots, thus bringing the fey back. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 28 Aug 2008 : 23:13:05
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Originally posted by bitter thorn
Won't they need to reproduce a lot more to reintroduce the species? It seems like a round about aproach.
It depends on the approach. Maybe having a prominent feytouched would be good for attracting existing fae to the area, and/or making it a place suitable for their habitation. |
| bitter thorn |
Posted - 28 Aug 2008 : 21:52:27
Won't they need to reproduce a lot more to reintroduce the species? It seems like a round about aproach.
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
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Originally posted by monknwildcat
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
The only character that I can think of with a Fey template off the top of my head is Azalar Falconhand (Son of Florin and Dove) in the Shadowdale book. He's only Feytouched, however.
Whoa! How did that combo produce a feytouched? Does Florin needto ask some difficult questions? 
I don't know if he was Chosen by Mielikki, but I know he was heavily favored by her, and she set this up with Mystra (with Florin & Dove's permission, of course) to bring the Fey back to Shadowdale.
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| Ashe Ravenheart |
Posted - 28 Aug 2008 : 14:26:41
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Originally posted by monknwildcat
quote:
Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
The only character that I can think of with a Fey template off the top of my head is Azalar Falconhand (Son of Florin and Dove) in the Shadowdale book. He's only Feytouched, however.
Whoa! How did that combo produce a feytouched? Does Florin needto ask some difficult questions?
I don't know if he was Chosen by Mielikki, but I know he was heavily favored by her, and she set this up with Mystra (with Florin & Dove's permission, of course) to bring the Fey back to Shadowdale. |
| bitter thorn |
Posted - 28 Aug 2008 : 14:10:27
Has anyone used the FF half fey template in thier FR game? |
| bitter thorn |
Posted - 28 Aug 2008 : 00:44:05
...a little family secret.
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Originally posted by monknwildcat
quote:
Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
The only character that I can think of with a Fey template off the top of my head is Azalar Falconhand (Son of Florin and Dove) in the Shadowdale book. He's only Feytouched, however.
Whoa! How did that combo produce a feytouched? Does Florin needto ask some difficult questions?
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| monknwildcat |
Posted - 27 Aug 2008 : 23:41:32
quote:
Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
The only character that I can think of with a Fey template off the top of my head is Azalar Falconhand (Son of Florin and Dove) in the Shadowdale book. He's only Feytouched, however.
Whoa! How did that combo produce a feytouched? Does Florin needto ask some difficult questions? |
| bitter thorn |
Posted - 27 Aug 2008 : 22:05:07
Sylphs aren't actually Fey, but I like the rest of your thoughts.
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Originally posted by monknwildcat
Winged fey!?
Do we still have sylphs in 3E? They looked winged and ethereal and attractive.
Sprites have wings but also potential size issues.
There are Glouras in the 3E FR Underdark sourcebook, but they'd put her into the underdark beneath the Silver Marches and have a moth-like appearance.
Some theorized that species of a fey doesn't always follow its lineage. Perhaps the children of fey do not always favor their fey parent's race and manifest feyness (e.g. sprite appearing wings) independent of their actual lineage (e.g. dryad)?
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| monknwildcat |
Posted - 27 Aug 2008 : 21:01:40
Winged fey!?
Do we still have sylphs in 3E? They looked winged and ethereal and attractive.
Sprites have wings but also potential size issues.
There are Glouras in the 3E FR Underdark sourcebook, but they'd put her into the underdark beneath the Silver Marches and have a moth-like appearance.
Some theorized that species of a fey doesn't always follow its lineage. Perhaps the children of fey do not always favor their fey parent's race and manifest feyness (e.g. sprite appearing wings) independent of their actual lineage (e.g. dryad)? |
| bitter thorn |
Posted - 27 Aug 2008 : 20:01:24
I'm taking that as an OK.
If there are any issues with how I did this please let me know and feel free to edit as appropriate.
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Half-Fey (living creatures who have
Fey blood in them)
(FF p89)(3.5up p24)+
The looks of a Half-Fey very from creature to creature. Some are breathtakingly beautiful. Others are hideous. Also, some are obviously different from birth, while others seem like their base creature until later in life.
Inherited Template that can be added to any living, corporeal
creature.
Becomes a ‘Fey’.
Damage Reduction 5 / cold iron
Alignment tend towards Chaotic
Dex +2
Con –2
Wis +2
Cha +4
Lvl +2
CR +1
Gains Butterfly Wings if the base creature did not already have
wings. Flying speed is 2x fastest normal movement with Good maneuverability.
Gains Low-Light Vision.
Immune to Enchantment spells & effects.
Charm Person, at will.
If Cha or Wis is 8+, can use the following abilities at least 1/day.
HD Ability
1-2 Hypnotism, 1/day; Faerie Fire –or– Glitterdust,1/day
3-4 Detect Law, 3/day, Sleep –or– Enthrall, 1/day
5-6 Protection from Law, 3/day;
Tasha’s Hideous Laughter or Suggestion, 1/day
7-8 Confusion –or– Emotion, 1/day
9-10 Eyebite –or– Lesser Geas, 1/day
11-12 Dominate Person –or– Hold Monster, 1/day
13-14 Mass Invisibility, 1/day
15-16 Geas/Quest –or– Mass Suggestion, 1/day
17-18 Insanity –or– Mass Charm, 1/day
19+ Otto’s Irresistible Dance, 1/day
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 27 Aug 2008 : 19:42:12
Rule B3 of the Candlekeep Forum Code of Conduct (which really applies to all text, not just WotC stuff):
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| bitter thorn |
Posted - 27 Aug 2008 : 19:23:48
Sage etc, would posting a template from the FF run afoul of the CoC?
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Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
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Originally posted by bitter thorn
She is using the half Fey teplate from the Fiend Folio (updated for 3.5E).
I would post a copy of the template on this thread, but I'm not sure if it's open content or proprietary.
If a mod or someone else knows that this template is open content I'd be happy to post the template or a link.
Considering Copy Right Laws state:
"The idea for a game is not protected by copyright. The same is true of the name or title given to the game and of the method or methods for playing it.
Copyright protects only the particular manner of an author’s expression in literary, artistic, or musical form. Copyright protection does not extend to any idea, system, method, device, or trademark material involved in the development, merchandising, or playing of a game. Once a game has been made public, nothing in the copyright law prevents others from developing another game based on similar principles.
Some material prepared in connection with a game may be subject to copyright if it contains a sufficient amount of literary or pictorial expression. For example, the text matter describing the rules of the game, or the pictorial matter appearing on the gameboard or container, may be registrable."
As long as you are stating just the rules (what is changed on the character) via the template and cite the book and page number, I do not think that it would be agains the law or the 'Keep's CoC for you to list it here.
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| Hawkins |
Posted - 27 Aug 2008 : 19:14:47
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Originally posted by bitter thorn
She is using the half Fey teplate from the Fiend Folio (updated for 3.5E).
I would post a copy of the template on this thread, but I'm not sure if it's open content or proprietary.
If a mod or someone else knows that this template is open content I'd be happy to post the template or a link.
Considering Copy Right Laws state:
"The idea for a game is not protected by copyright. The same is true of the name or title given to the game and of the method or methods for playing it.
Copyright protects only the particular manner of an author’s expression in literary, artistic, or musical form. Copyright protection does not extend to any idea, system, method, device, or trademark material involved in the development, merchandising, or playing of a game. Once a game has been made public, nothing in the copyright law prevents others from developing another game based on similar principles.
Some material prepared in connection with a game may be subject to copyright if it contains a sufficient amount of literary or pictorial expression. For example, the text matter describing the rules of the game, or the pictorial matter appearing on the gameboard or container, may be registrable."
As long as you are stating just the rules (what is changed on the character) via the template and cite the book and page number, I do not think that it would be agains the law or the 'Keep's CoC for you to list it here. |
| bitter thorn |
Posted - 27 Aug 2008 : 18:59:12
She is using the half Fey template from the Fiend Folio (updated for 3.5E).
I would post a copy of the template on this thread, but I'm not sure if it's open content or proprietary.
If a mod or someone else knows that this template is open content I'd be happy to post the template or a link.
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
The only character that I can think of with a Fey template off the top of my head is Azalar Falconhand (Son of Florin and Dove) in the Shadowdale book. He's only Feytouched, however.
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| Ashe Ravenheart |
Posted - 27 Aug 2008 : 18:42:14
The only character that I can think of with a Fey template off the top of my head is Azalar Falconhand (Son of Florin and Dove) in the Shadowdale book. He's only Feytouched, however. |
| bitter thorn |
Posted - 27 Aug 2008 : 18:37:33
That may wind up being the only option. For the life of me I can't seem to find a published Fey that lines up well with the half Fey template in FF in general let alone in FR specifically.
I suppose the mother could be a hybrid fey of some kind or perhaps even a half Fey of uncertain origen.
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Remember, if you don't find official information on something, you could always make up your own lore.
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| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 27 Aug 2008 : 14:45:30
Remember, if you don't find official information on something, you could always make up your own lore. |
| bitter thorn |
Posted - 27 Aug 2008 : 02:20:03
The working assumption is that the mother is the Fey half and that she was raised (at least in part) by her mother.
The wings are now a fixture in the game, but there are a limited number of winged medium Fey (published)that could serve as the mother. We could always make up a new kind, of course, but I'm not sure how much latitude the DM is willing to give in that regard. He likes to hold fairly close to cannon, so it would be cool to find and appropriate published Fey mother that would match up well with the half Fey template in FF.
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Originally posted by monknwildcat
I like the rules suggested in Faeries, too, although its rules seem more focused on the Sidhe-like fey paradigm.
If you're only going with the ecclectic fey available in 3E....
From my perspective, as much depends upon which parent's fey and from which type of fey she's descended. If her papa's fey, she may have grown up with her mother's non-fey folk and had a reasonably mainstream life. If her mother's fey, it's more complicated. 
I ditch the fey wings in the FF template, mostly because it's tough to blend with gossamer wings. I'd try to use the "WotC site's rules for creating half-fiend templates specific to each fiend type" as my guide for templating half-fey specific to her fey origin.
Does she know what fey she wants as her fey parent?
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| monknwildcat |
Posted - 27 Aug 2008 : 02:04:59
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Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
Link to WotC Fey Articles (v3.0 it think)
Thanks, Hawkins! |
| bitter thorn |
Posted - 27 Aug 2008 : 02:00:03
Good stuff! I just wish we had more Realms specific information. Thanks!
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Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
Link to WotC Fey Articles (v3.0 it think)
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| Hawkins |
Posted - 27 Aug 2008 : 01:54:49
Link to WotC Fey Articles (v3.0 it think) |
| monknwildcat |
Posted - 27 Aug 2008 : 01:36:49
WotC also had a series of web articles by Gwen FM Kestrel which detailed possible fey storylines and cultures.
Magic of Faerun had some stuff about Fey Mounds and Fey Crossroads. That's the fey information most specific to the FR.
Silverymoon's in the middle of diverse geography. Almost any fey could be within a ride of the city, from a fossergrim to satyr and dryads. |
| monknwildcat |
Posted - 27 Aug 2008 : 01:29:01
I like the rules suggested in Faeries, too, although its rules seem more focused on the Sidhe-like fey paradigm.
If you're only going with the ecclectic fey available in 3E....
From my perspective, as much depends upon which parent's fey and from which type of fey she's descended. If her papa's fey, she may have grown up with her mother's non-fey folk and had a reasonably mainstream life. If her mother's fey, it's more complicated.
I ditch the fey wings in the FF template, mostly because it's tough to blend with gossamer wings. I'd try to use the "WotC site's rules for creating half-fiend templates specific to each fiend type" as my guide for templating half-fey specific to her fey origin.
Does she know what fey she wants as her fey parent? |
