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| Delzounblood |
Posted - 27 Feb 2007 : 15:43:06
Hi I have picked this up from a question I asked as part of another thread called : Are the "good" guys winning too much?
Where I said I was wanting to create an Utter Evil Character
My post was this:
quote:
Originally posted by Delzounblood
regarding this topic.
Are there any good novels which depict an "Evil doer" winning rarther than the "Heroes" coming through in the end?
I feel that for a balance the bad guy's could win a few more and I would like to see it happen in a trilogy. I know this goes against the grain as far as novel / adventures happen, face it you create a hero to win not lose! But It would be nice to see the Hero lose and the big baddie win for a change. It will keep the spice in the game rarther than Good will always over come and Evil always turns upon itself!!
Just a thought.
imagine if the Cult of the Dragon or Thay became the Realms Overlords for say 100 years... What a come back the Goodly races could have in the end, Yes I know I have just contradicted myself but you get my gist!
Delz
PS:
I'm toying with the idea of running a truly evil char in my next game
Erik Scott de Bie replied and so on.
He then posted this:
quote:
Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
quote:
Originally posted by Delzounblood
and now to the most corrupt and dangerous char
Tiefling (80% sure) not sure on class yet still in planning stage!
I seem to be moving ever more to Chaotic and Evil!
If I might humbly suggest . . .
Lesser aasimar ex-paladin/blackguard.
The unequivocal fallen angel, who easily bluffs people into thinking he's still a paladin. Wisdom and Charisma bonuses. Add rogue, ranger, or fighter, to suit your own preferences. With "lesser" (that is, planetouched (native) subtype -- see PGtF), you don't even have to worry about the ECL.
Cheers
Now to this thread,
I am using for source
PHB
DMG
PgtF
FRCS
LoD
any other you suggest!
I have also just finished reading Hanibal Rising by Thomas Harris, which has given me a nice insight into the twisted mind of a young Hanibal Lecter and why he became a monster!
So here goes....
The creation of a Utter Evil Character.
Plus for a change for me this will be a current edition char not 2e like my others!
I have decided to give the Character a kick start (very unlike me) so I will be starting him off at 5th Level.
The whole Fallen Angel aspect intigues me but I see it as a future goal,
so to start my character will be a Chaotic Good, Idealistic, Holy - er than thou type!
A Paladin or Cleric ??
I think Paladin, they are more self-rightious!
Race??
Erik suggested a Lesser Aasimar, My original thoughts were for a tiefling (his evil blood coming through and corupting his soul)
Ideas please!!
Geographical Area : I wanted to do a Greek style game set in Chessenta at first, but Unther amd Mulhorand with an egyptian feel are drawing me!
Your thoughts please and any tit bits you can throw in.
I am slowly trying to put him together and build a back story.
Delz
Footnote to Mace:
Don't worry I'm still a dwarf at heart
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| Victor_ograygor |
Posted - 06 Mar 2007 : 10:56:21
- Accessory - Forgotten Realms Adventures Page 21 - Ilmater
There is a neutral cult of Ilmater which believes in passing the suffering around to others, especially nonbelivers. They are noted for self-fragellation, and inciting riots.
But I can’t find the name of this cult.
Maybe this is a good place for Lector Amberviel
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| Sian |
Posted - 05 Mar 2007 : 18:53:38
maybe with a twist a the end that he haven't noticed the sewered connection with Ilmater because Loviatar have jumped in 'repairing' the holes the broken connection with Ilmater caused *grins* ... and as far as she can cover up so Ilmater (or his clerics) doesn't notice ... planing to use him to plant a hidden Loviatar cult insite Ilmaters church, maybe even on long term, blow it apart by internal disorder and capture a fair share of the spinters |
| Victor_ograygor |
Posted - 05 Mar 2007 : 15:10:59
Physical Description:
Lector Amberviel is very Physically attractive 6 feet 3 inches high asimar, with long silver white curly hair down below his shoulders, and his eyes can best be described as two shiny silver pearls. He is dressed in rough-spun sorts of robes, with collars ranging from gray to white, and he has red ribbons tightly tied around their wrists. All of his clothe and equipment is of the best quality, and he has a habit of always keeping himself clean.
If examined closer one would se many strange scars all around his body including burn marks on his arms and neck, but he dose his best to hide them, with different kinds of clothe and religious wooden and silver jewellery.
Personality:
Lector Amberviel is a Brilliant, charming, and charismatic figure to talk with, but one will quickly find out that religion is a big part of his life. He has a large amount of knowledge concerning different kinds of religions, and is a collector of many different religious objects. He is always smiling and talks kindly to the people around him, but when he begins to talk about the different kinds of religions he knows about, he have a way of raising his voice and stare with his silver bright eyes.
Lector Amberviel sees himself as a divine agent; an agent sent from Ilmater himself to test the followers of Ilmater. He has recherched how one could inflict the worst kind of pain to a human body, so believers could see the true meaning of suffering. He has over a long time developed a kind of amusement by watch someone else be tortured.
Failure in these tests results is slow and painful death, but he sees this as a will of Ilmater.
Every believer has to learn to resist the pain, and trough suffering they have a chance to understand Ilmater´s true holy textures. These test a done secretly and priest that have survived them are told to keep their mouth closed, because that’s they way Ilmater wants it. Priest that dies under these test’s are examined and their tounge, kidney are eaten, the rest of the body are dumped down the sewers.
He thinks that the world is a sick place with a lot off unwise people that need to be enlightened, and he has been given the right knowledge on how they should be enlighten. That is whey he travels around Ferun enlightening people, and collecting various kinds of religious objects.
Occupation:
Lector Amberviel travels allot working as an Merchant and a collector of religious objects, and if there is a church ore a holy place to Ilmater in town, he userly visit it, and offers his help teaching new priests.
Recently knowledge about Lector Amberviel:
Ilmater has denied Lector Amberviel some of his holy powers, because of his inhuman deeds, but he sees this as a test, and keeps praying every night.
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| Delzounblood |
Posted - 04 Mar 2007 : 00:30:24
Note to all!
Lecter's Back story is an idea I have been playing and writing for a while.
I am going to post the story/novelet on the boards for you all to enjoy!
I hope you do, Please be patient as i do not have loads of time to write, but I will do as much as I can and post the first bit soon....
Delz
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| Victor_ograygor |
Posted - 02 Mar 2007 : 22:33:27
quote:
Originally posted by Victor_ograygor
Hey you know that my set isn’t working, as an Dungeon master it’s really important to have good dices, and mine are really bad as you know.
Last time we played the Cave troll couldn’t hit crap, and you easily killed it.
Hey Delzounblood I really need magic dice’s, do you have some that only rolls 15+, and if you have some that rolls 1-5 all the time ill give them to Sian 
You are really quick Sian, always cheeking out what I am up to here in Candle keep 
Mod edit: Watch the language, folks. 
Hmm.. Watch my language?
Hey friend Sian, ill give you – Xp if the Space monster / hamster is punishing me fore making a little joke.
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| Victor_ograygor |
Posted - 02 Mar 2007 : 22:23:28
quote:
Originally posted by Delzounblood
quote:
Originally posted by Victor_ograygor
Hey you know that my set isn’t working, as an Dungeon master it’s really important to have good dices, and mine are really bad as you know.
Last time we played the Cave troll couldn’t hit crap, and you easily killed it.
Hey Delzounblood I really need magic dice’s, do you have some that only rolls 15+, and if you have some that rolls 1-5 all the time ill give them to Sian
You are really quick Sian, always cheeking out what I am up to here in Candle keep
Mod edit: Watch the language, folks.
I don't sell cheat dice or magic dice.....those I keep 
PM your address Victor_ograygor and I'll send a set or 2
As for the reason Lecter eats parts of his victims, I just thought it was sick. But you could put in that he gets a psychological boost from eating them, a bit like Vlad the Impaler drinking the blood of his enemies to give him there strenghts?
Delz
Sorry I got carried away 
U got my address now. Thanks
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| Delzounblood |
Posted - 02 Mar 2007 : 17:31:29
quote:
Originally posted by Marquant Volker
What an interesting thread! Congratulations for your work everybody. While i was reading this scroll i came with some ideas i wanted to share (i hope its not too late)
1.A common practice in Loviatar's faith is torture, so it would be interesting to create a secret "lair" somewhere
This idea I like
quote:
2.When he is away from his "lair" he carries some of his pain-inficting intruments along with him,
aahh tools of the trade
quote:
3.Another idea (a bit scarry) is, that Lector is carving some letters in the very flesh of his victims
Like a calling card or signature but tide to his faith.
quote:
4.A weakness would be interesting
a phobia or an allergy to further unbalance his fragile mind, cool
thanks for the input and I'm glad you like the scroll.
Delz
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| Delzounblood |
Posted - 02 Mar 2007 : 17:25:19
quote:
Originally posted by Victor_ograygor
Hey you know that my set isn’t working, as an Dungeon master it’s really important to have good dices, and mine are really bad as you know.
Last time we played the Cave troll couldn’t hit crap, and you easily killed it.
Hey Delzounblood I really need magic dice’s, do you have some that only rolls 15+, and if you have some that rolls 1-5 all the time ill give them to Sian
You are really quick Sian, always cheeking out what I am up to here in Candle keep
Mod edit: Watch the language, folks.
I don't sell cheat dice or magic dice.....those I keep
PM your address Victor_ograygor and I'll send a set or 2
As for the reason Lecter eats parts of his victims, I just thought it was sick. But you could put in that he gets a psychological boost from eating them, a bit like Vlad the Impaler drinking the blood of his enemies to give him there strenghts?
Delz
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| Victor_ograygor |
Posted - 02 Mar 2007 : 14:49:19
quote:
Originally posted by Marquant Volker
What an interesting thread! Congratulations for your work everybody. While i was reading this scroll i came with some ideas i wanted to share (i hope its not too late)
1.A common practice in Loviatar's faith is torture, so it would be interesting to create a secret "lair" somewhere (the basement of a forgotten Ilmattari temple?) where he can bring his victims for ritualistic torture. If his lair is indeed a former Ilmattari temple it would be totaly ironic if the victims where chained to a statue of the God Illmater, during their torture
2.When he is away from his "lair" he carries some of his pain-inficting intruments along with him, perhaps hidden at the bottom of his backpack or in a secret pocket in his horses saddle. I believe the above fact would make the character more "weird" and mysterious (imagine a man trying to hide something all the time) You can imagine him being calm and then burst into violent actions if someone touches his backpack/Horse's saddle
3.Another idea (a bit scarry) is, that Lector is carving some letters in the very flesh of his victims (while they live ofcourse) lets say in the forehead or chest. If those letters are put together they reveal Loviatar's Dogma (Use the Dogma from FCRS). Perhaps thats one of the main goals of the character, he believes that something will happen if he completes this "Divine Mission"
4.A weakness would be interesting, this man could have a dozen of phobias or manias apart from killing and torturing. An phobia to Giantkin could be fitting with his story or perhaps a hate for bright colours or laughing people. He could have almost any kind of psychological illness
I really like you’re idears, thanks fore the inspiration. |
| Victor_ograygor |
Posted - 02 Mar 2007 : 14:44:42
Hey you know that my set isn’t working, as an Dungeon master it’s really important to have good dices, and mine are really bad as you know.
Last time we played the Cave troll couldn’t hit crap, and you easily killed it.
Hey Delzounblood I really need magic dice’s, do you have some that only rolls 15+, and if you have some that rolls 1-5 all the time ill give them to Sian
You are really quick Sian, always cheeking out what I am up to here in Candle keep
Mod edit: Watch the language, folks. |
| Sian |
Posted - 02 Mar 2007 : 13:57:47
if you mail him two sets i take the other next time í'm playing with him :D |
| Victor_ograygor |
Posted - 02 Mar 2007 : 13:26:16
quote:
Originally posted by Delzounblood
quote:
Originally posted by Victor_ograygor
Ahh Thanks you have a good heart and a nice store on the net.
Buy the way for next charismas I would like a present, some new dices….
Hmm.. I can’t wait that long; do you have some cool dices in yore store on the net?
PM me your address and I'll send you a Poly "Jewel" Dice Set (7 dice)
or a Poly "speckled" Dice Set (7 dice), your choice
with my thanks!!
Delz
Hmm yes but I am thinking;
We should make him a little different form the true lector.
What about this.
Those student and priest that fail to learn to resist the pain die, and then he eats the tunge and Brain, because he thinks that they can.. Something with Speech and thought.. hmm..
I need the reason for eating the body parts…
Poly Jewel Dice - Aquamarine - |
| Marquant Volker |
Posted - 02 Mar 2007 : 13:20:10
What an interesting thread! Congratulations for your work everybody. While i was reading this scroll i came with some ideas i wanted to share (i hope its not too late)
1.A common practice in Loviatar's faith is torture, so it would be interesting to create a secret "lair" somewhere (the basement of a forgotten Ilmattari temple?) where he can bring his victims for ritualistic torture. If his lair is indeed a former Ilmattari temple it would be totaly ironic if the victims where chained to a statue of the God Illmater, during their torture
2.When he is away from his "lair" he carries some of his pain-inficting intruments along with him, perhaps hidden at the bottom of his backpack or in a secret pocket in his horses saddle. I believe the above fact would make the character more "weird" and mysterious (imagine a man trying to hide something all the time) You can imagine him being calm and then burst into violent actions if someone touches his backpack/Horse's saddle
3.Another idea (a bit scarry) is, that Lector is carving some letters in the very flesh of his victims (while they live ofcourse) lets say in the forehead or chest. If those letters are put together they reveal Loviatar's Dogma (Use the Dogma from FCRS). Perhaps thats one of the main goals of the character, he believes that something will happen if he completes this "Divine Mission"
4.A weakness would be interesting, this man could have a dozen of phobias or manias apart from killing and torturing. An phobia to Giantkin could be fitting with his story or perhaps a hate for bright colours or laughing people. He could have almost any kind of psychological illness |
| Delzounblood |
Posted - 02 Mar 2007 : 11:56:09
quote:
Originally posted by Victor_ograygor
What goes on in the mind of a Psychopath like Lector Ambervil?
PROFILE ONE LECTOR AMBERVIL
To profile Lecter Ambervil, we must try to understand what happened in his child hood, and what damage this might had done to him. I will star t to gather the information and thereafter see what these childhood traumas have done to him later in life.
Childhood : (He were abused, abandoned, humiliated, rejected during the time when their consciences should have been developing )
- He has a extreamly way of expressing himself (Staring)
- He is depressed but this is not shown
- He ha a hard time making new friends ( relationship )
- He plans everything to the last detail
MY CONKLUSION ON LECTO AMBERVIEL
- Constantly move around the city where they lived,
or around the country
- Brilliant, charming, and charismatic - Physically attractive
- A sociopath
- Schizophrenic
- He is full of rage, who killed to take the edge off that rage
- Organized and disorganized
THE SERIAL KILLER
Serial killers cherish a personal fantasy of one sort or another, and killing lets them live out that fantasy
A murderer's modus operandi (MO) is the actions he must take to complete the kill. The murderer's signature is what he does beyond that, ritualistic behavior that satisfies some aspect of his fantasy.
The killer may leave some object on or near the body or he may take something from the body. Whatever the act of personation is, it's intimately linked to the killer's fantasy.
Lector Amberviel
Lector Amberviel sees himself as a divine punisher; an agent sent from Ilmater himself so test humans on Ferun. Failure results in death, there are no middle way. You must learn to resist the pain, and trugh suffering you will see the light. By understanding that
Lector Amberviel sees all living creatures as weak and unaware of what is going on, he is the only one understanding what Ilmater has planed for his followers. He understands that the follower of Ilmater has to be tested, to prove themselves worthy of Ilmaters grace.
- Ripping victims flesh off, with the use of
small fishing hooks and barbed chains.
I am not done, but he is really beginning to lock like a Psychopath
You missed canabalism...... He eats the choice body part of his Kills. (I read to much Thomas Harris)
Cheeks
Liver
Kidney
Brain
Tounge
Testicles (pan fried with garlic)
etc:
That reminds me it's nearly lunch time!
Delz
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| Delzounblood |
Posted - 02 Mar 2007 : 11:52:38
quote:
Originally posted by Victor_ograygor
Ahh Thanks you have a good heart and a nice store on the net.
Buy the way for next charismas I would like a present, some new dices….
Hmm.. I can’t wait that long; do you have some cool dices in yore store on the net?
PM me your address and I'll send you a Poly "Jewel" Dice Set (7 dice)
or a Poly "speckled" Dice Set (7 dice), your choice
with my thanks!!
Delz
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| Victor_ograygor |
Posted - 02 Mar 2007 : 09:51:36
What goes on in the mind of a Psychopath like Lector Ambervil?
PROFILE ONE LECTOR AMBERVIL
To profile Lecter Ambervil, we must try to understand what happened in his child hood, and what damage this might had done to him. I will star t to gather the information and thereafter see what these childhood traumas have done to him later in life.
Childhood : (He were abused, abandoned, humiliated, rejected during the time when their consciences should have been developing )
- He has a extreamly way of expressing himself (Staring)
- He is depressed but this is not shown
- He ha a hard time making new friends ( relationship )
- He plans everything to the last detail
MY CONKLUSION ON LECTO AMBERVIEL
- Constantly move around the city where they lived,
or around the country
- Brilliant, charming, and charismatic - Physically attractive
- A sociopath
- Schizophrenic
- He is full of rage, who killed to take the edge off that rage
- Organized and disorganized
THE SERIAL KILLER
Serial killers cherish a personal fantasy of one sort or another, and killing lets them live out that fantasy
A murderer's modus operandi (MO) is the actions he must take to complete the kill. The murderer's signature is what he does beyond that, ritualistic behavior that satisfies some aspect of his fantasy.
The killer may leave some object on or near the body or he may take something from the body. Whatever the act of personation is, it's intimately linked to the killer's fantasy.
Lector Amberviel
Lector Amberviel sees himself as a divine punisher; an agent sent from Ilmater himself so test humans on Ferun. Failure results in death, there are no middle way. You must learn to resist the pain, and trugh suffering you will see the light. By understanding that
Lector Amberviel sees all living creatures as weak and unaware of what is going on, he is the only one understanding what Ilmater has planed for his followers. He understands that the follower of Ilmater has to be tested, to prove themselves worthy of Ilmaters grace.
- Ripping victims flesh off, with the use of
small fishing hooks and barbed chains.
I am not done, but he is really beginning to lock like a Psychopath |
| Victor_ograygor |
Posted - 01 Mar 2007 : 23:49:27
Ahh Thanks you have a good heart and a nice store on the net.
Buy the way for next charismas I would like a present, some new dices….
Hmm.. I can’t wait that long; do you have some cool dices in yore store on the net?
I am working on a Mental Description of this ”monster”(Lecter Ambervil).
And yes this guy Erik Scott de Bie… He sounds like a swashbuckler, I knew in a D&D game once, but he got beaten by an ogre with a Club.
You say: No challenge is too great!
Good I challenge you Erik Scott de Bie (On guard) You have 10 days from now to find a city were there is a shrine ore temple to Ilmater were this character lives (Lecter Ambervil), and a reason for your future adventure party/group ore a single hero to meet him.
You have to write one page and, I aspect a conversation with to intelligent individuals, and something that could give us a clue to your future book.
In every challenge there is a choice, and threes choice are a reflection of how we are.
Do you accept my challenge!
Buy the way I have respect for you as an author.  I really like your work |
| Delzounblood |
Posted - 01 Mar 2007 : 22:50:01
I am trying to build on Lecter's back story now, this may take me a while so please be patient. I have been reading a lot of Steven King & Thomas Harris, so Lecter could have a very twisted and graphic back story..... I may even serialise it if it's good enough!
I think apart from some personal fine tuning Lecter's base character is there just about...
I will keep you updated.
But most important a VERY BIG THANKYOU to :
Erik Scott de Bie
Victor_ograygor
Sian
and anyone else who chipped in
Delz
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| Delzounblood |
Posted - 01 Mar 2007 : 15:40:21
I've been reading up on a few things to aid in Lecter's development..
Deities:-
Ilmater - for both the Monk and Paladin orders.
Loviatar -
Shar -
Bane -
Cyric -
Tyr -
PrC & Classes:-
Shadowbane Stalker / Inquisitor
Blackguard
Divine Champion
Divine Disciple
Kensai
Paladin
Monk
Feats:-
Ascetic Knight
Devoted Inquisitor
Organisations:-
Church of Bane
Church of Cyric
Church of Shar
Monks of the Long Death
Monks of the Dark Moon
I now have too many differing ideas!!!
But lots to go on, but you see the direction I'm headed
I'll post when I've read more and filled out some ideas.
Delz
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| Mace Hammerhand |
Posted - 01 Mar 2007 : 13:23:17
Evil can come in many ways, shapes and forms.
A totally selfish person, who even treads all over his friends to gain something could be described as evil as well. Hell, Raistlin was such a character.
In light of that, in a different game, set in a HIGH tech future, I played such a character. Mainly because Charisma defined how nice you were, and I rolled a 4, on a scale of 2-20 (or was it 3-18????) Needless to say, he joined the military not for patriotic reasons, but because he needed the cash and the high level education an officer's career gave him. He used military system resources to program his first video game, and made his first couple hundred thousand credits by selling it.
When the group, by accident, made a trip to the past (1993, the year we were playing), he used their ship's replicator to produce a couple thousand US$, went to the surface and started shopping. CDs, VHS cassettes and the like. Back in their time, he digitized the movies and songs and re-released them again, of course changing all the credits.
He made a deal with everyone who was willing to pay, or offer him something, a typical scoundrel, maybe worse... had he been caught a military tribunal, and possible execution, would have been in his future.
But then again, we all were fairly non-standard military...only I excelled at the selfish bastard part |
| maransreth |
Posted - 01 Mar 2007 : 07:58:03
If you would like some ideas on how to play or incorporate Lecter into an actual game, I would recommend Dragonwing Game's Darkwalkers: The Evil Within, available http://www.rpgnow.com/product_info.php?products_id=7598& .
Yes it might not be FR, but it is d20 and has some useful ideas, feats and evil abilities. |
| Victor_ograygor |
Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 20:18:38
Okay I will try to create this character while we talk about him.
Full Name: Lecter Ambervil. – Also known as Ambervil the Fallen
Species: Lesser Aasimar
Age: 41
Strength (Str): 15 (+2)
Dexterity (Dex): 13 (+1)
Constitution (Con): 12 (+2)
Intelligence (Int): 17 (+3)
Wisdom (Wis): 16 (+3)
Charisma (Cha): 18 (+4)
Alignment: Lawful Good with Chaotic tendencies! Which will turn to Chaotic Evil?
Class/Prestige classes: Paladin/Monk - (Blackguard)
Occupation:
Hometown:
Religion:
Skills:
Relevant magic items:
Likes:
Clothing: He wear rough-spun sorts of robes, with collers ranging from gray to white, and he has red ribbons tightly tied around their wrists.
Weapon(s) of choice: Unarmed Attack
Relevant History:
Luther Ambervil was born 6 miles outside
Abused as a child, so is very fragile (Parents killed by a Drow Raiding party, He and his sister left for dead. Found by marauding ogres, watched his sister eaten alive! and kept as the Ogre chiefs pet, which evolved without going too graphic, several years of torture both mental and physical (poss sexual) before being rescued by happenstance by a religious order on pilgrimage, Even though a kind and caring group, there strict ways had a profound detrimental effect on him. In there own way blinded by faith they too unintentionally mentally abused the poor child.
Personality:
He had totally closed of the trauma in his mind becoming very religious, as part of a self preservation defence complex, and joined the church as a way of coping mentally adjusting to life. He has a
This has awoken the terrible memories kept hidden inside him and is the driving force of his self-destruction and vengeance against the world
Mental state: Insane / Fanatic
Profile: Very religious/ blinded by faith (Fanatic in his own insane way)
Physical Description:
-Height: 6 feet 3 inches
-weight: 190 lbs
-Eye Color: Silver
-Hair Color: He has long curly white hair:
-Notable Scars/Injuies: Many strange scars all around hi body including burn marks on his arms
-Disability/Lies:
-General Physical Ability:
-Psychological Description:
-Optimist/Pessimist:
-Introvert/Extrovert: Introvert
-General Intelligence: High
-General Attitude toward Friends: A loner with very few or no friends apart from his own mind!
-General Attitude Toward Strangers: Very Guarded and reserved
-Opinion of the World: The world is a sick place with a lot off unwise people that need to be enlightened
-Mental Endurance: High
-Favourite Quote(s):Throughout human history, the apostles of purity, have claimed to possess a total explanation, but don’t lissen to their lies. I am the one holding the truth, and I am willing to show you what the holy text of Ilmater really is about.
-Personal Quote :By understanding how you suffer you must understand how to inflict pain.
Kneel down and my soon and learn what the holly text of Ilmater tells you, lie down on the cold stone alter floor, and close your eyes. Close you eye’s and try to embrace the pain when I rip you’re flesh off your back; enjoy it while my chain smashes down your back.
Close you eye’s and embrace the pain….. soon you will understand the true meaning of Ilmaters words.
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-Personal Quote :
Suffering is real. How can we make sense of it? What can we learn from it? Can we overcome it?
People have different ideas about what is wrong with Ferun.
Suffering and pain tell us that we are alive. If it wasn’t for the fact that we suffer and experience pain, we might become totally detached and say that "all is well".
We will never be able to totally escape from pain even by becoming immortals.
So listen to my words because they cary great wisdom, trust me because I know what Ilmater realy mean when he tells us to embrace Pain.
Have you Been Hurt? If you are suffering, prayer can make a big difference.
Come kneel beside me, let us pray
I didn't care about anyone else until Ilmater changed my life - but now I'm devoting my life to serving others and co-operating with Ilmater 's purposes. People care about a lot of irrelevant distractions and entertainments - what will it take for us to see the real value of knowing what Ilmater means when he tells us to embracing pain.
A lot of our suffering is due to our own unwise choices. So i think you should start lissen to me.
Let us pray:
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| Sian |
Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 19:34:06
as i said ... maybe throwing a few Sarced fist levels inthere as well ... and let the slip happen slowly whereas he after the fall from Paladin (going to LN first) but before Blackguard, goes a few levels of Sarced fist ... and talk your GM into allowing you to keep the spells (which is supported in disguese by Loviatar :P)
and as i said before ... imho it would work better if he just goes to LE instead of also a drop on the other axis ... an LE that in some aspects thinks he's doing Ilmaters will is argueable but a CE doing it ... bit to much offtrack ... |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 18:28:13
It's your character, I say make him whatever you want. |
| Delzounblood |
Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 18:23:28
so to recap:
Full Name: Lecter Ambervil. – Also known as Ambervil the Fallen
Species: Lesser Aasimar
Age: 41
Strength (Str): 15 (+2)
Dexterity (Dex): 13 (+1)
Constitution (Con): 12 (+2)
Intelligence (Int): 17 (+3)
Wisdom (Wis): 16
Charisma (Cha): 18
Alignment: Lawful Good with Chaotic tendencies! Which will turn to Chaotic Evil?
Class/Prestige classes:
Monk
Paladin
to become
Blackguard
you agree?
Delz
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| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 18:20:31
I really like the character background. The reason why he was orphaned has been used time and again, but that doesn't mean it isn't valid. Also, I like the exploration of harm that was done to the character by people who had good intentions. It reminds me very much of the protagonist in the House of Serpents Trilogy--he too was an orphan raised by priests of Ilmater, and even though I highly doubt that those priests intended to cause him mental harm and embarrasment to him as a child, some of the things they did to discipline the children in their care and teach them the faith did--in my opinion--constitute child abuse (such as making a child smell horrible, thus causing the other kids to laugh at and ostracize him). This character didn't begin evil or anything, but he WAS harmed by this. |
| Delzounblood |
Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 18:19:20
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
On another note, I think you should switch his 18 wisdom and 16 charisma. To my mind, he should be more persuasive and charming and (well) charismatic, rather than in amazing touch with his god(s). He would always be envious of the priests who are more powerful than he, hawking their "wisdom" over his -- which of course he would compensate for by decrying the need for an excessively high amount of wisdom, and rooting his faith more in the allure of the flesh (charisma).
Plus, from a game mechanic standpoint, charisma is much, much more important to paladins (and blackguards) than wisdom is. You only need a 14 wisdom to cast the best paladin spells, but charisma adds to your smiting, to your saving throws, and to your turn/rebuke attempts (and if you don't think they're effective, you take one of the many divine feats that allow you to spend turn attempts to have a cool effect; check out Complete Warrior and Complete Divine).
Hmm I think so too now I have re read the character again.
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Weapon(s) of choice: weapon of ilmater ?????
Erik answer
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This would be an open hand/unarmed strike. That's why it makes the most sense to play a paladin/monk.
Adding a monk class, as there levels can add up together for various points, Yes Good idea.
Delz
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| Erik Scott de Bie |
Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 16:51:23
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Originally posted by Victor_ograygor
Maybe it’s a too big a challenge for Erik Scott de Bie. 
No challenge is too great!
On another note, I think you should switch his 18 wisdom and 16 charisma. To my mind, he should be more persuasive and charming and (well) charismatic, rather than in amazing touch with his god(s). He would always be envious of the priests who are more powerful than he, hawking their "wisdom" over his -- which of course he would compensate for by decrying the need for an excessively high amount of wisdom, and rooting his faith more in the allure of the flesh (charisma).
Plus, from a game mechanic standpoint, charisma is much, much more important to paladins (and blackguards) than wisdom is. You only need a 14 wisdom to cast the best paladin spells, but charisma adds to your smiting, to your saving throws, and to your turn/rebuke attempts (and if you don't think they're effective, you take one of the many divine feats that allow you to spend turn attempts to have a cool effect; check out Complete Warrior and Complete Divine).
Other notes:
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Skills: Religion - Diplomacy and intimidating
Diplomacy and Intimidate being charisma-based skills. Intimidate (according to the Book of Vile Darkness) is also a fundament of torture.
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Clothing: What lothe do the Ilmater priest have
Ilmatari tend to wear rough-spun sorts of robes -- mainly white and gray -- and they have the distinctive red ribbons constantly tied around their wrists (which are like blood and bindings).
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Weapon(s) of choice: weapon of ilmater ?????
This would be an open hand/unarmed strike. That's why it makes the most sense to play a paladin/monk.
Cheers |
| Delzounblood |
Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 14:49:08
I've just been re reading this scroll and apart from scaring the begesus out of the misses, I noticed one point we have missed out.
making him become a serial killer as well, so as to add a bit of manical psychopath to his makeup, as well as being a religious fanatic!
As Erik said these two things can be joined quiet easily so..
with his Fanatical Religious views (already stated) we need to include the Manical Psychopath, Serial Killer into his profile.
God this guy is going to end up challenging Cyric in the psycho stakes at this rate!
Delz
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| Delzounblood |
Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 14:24:49
I have an idea though it will need expanding upon, for the Divine Inspired Event which though not the cause, was the catalyst for his mental breakdown and concequence twisted outlook leading to his Fall...
Nothing Realms shattering, but for a very fragile and abused mind. A visit or sending from a Evil Deity (Lovitar) prehaps in nightmare form over a period of months, leading upto and causing his Fall!
(Lovitar visiting me every night in a nightmare would send ME pyscho let alone a fragile minded abuse victim!!!)
This could lead onto a quest for Lecter to preform for his new God and become the begining of the end of his former life and a new chapter of his new life in the embrace of the Lady Pain!
your thoughts?
Delz
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