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| Thelonius |
Posted - 01 Jan 2006 : 21:42:47
I wan to run a char. worshipper of Selune and I wanted to know wich was would suit more to this goddess. And I would like to know what the features would be as well... |
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| LordArcana |
Posted - 14 Jan 2008 : 12:41:53
In my current game i have two NPC's that are going to become a little more important to the story line in a few game sessions. They are aasimar sisters of Selune and since they are "important" i have built them as gestalt (just like the PC's). The younger of the sisters Ceana [keh-Na] is a wizard/priest while her older sister Brighde [BREE-ju] is Ranger/Paladin.
Selune came to the sisters in a dream and showed them an old shrine on the edge of the South Wood where a druid coven once worshipped. Seven stone plinths mark the border of the grove. The Stones were carved by dwarves of Amarrindar to honor the help the druids gave during the second Troll War. The druids eventually left the area over the ages for several reasons and the shrine has gone largely unused other than being a place to camp for wandering adventurers.
The sisters were the first to arrive at the shrine and are awaiting five other followers of Selune who plan to use this place as their place worship and to perform the Myster of the Night.
None of this is cannon BTW. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 14 Jan 2008 : 12:28:18
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Originally posted by Ergdusch
A little off-topic but I thought about this while reading this thread: do we have a official drwaing showing Selune (the moon) and her Tears?! I would love to see such a picture sometime and I don't recall it on any cover or dragon.
Can someone help me out...?
I don't recall any specifically detailed illustrations of the Tears. Realmspace has an image, of sorts, of the arrangement of the Tears. And there's a brief description of their orbital arrangements.
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 14 Jan 2008 : 11:23:49
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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
Thanks Wooly. I'll try to check this out at some point.
Unfortunately, in the immediate, I'm more looking at a rules-lawyer type of answer, as the game is Tuesday night and I have a new gamer showing up with a Silverstar...
Trust me, get the pdf. SKR is very much rules-oriented. |
| Ergdusch |
Posted - 14 Jan 2008 : 10:02:15
A little off-topic but I thought about this while reading this thread: do we have a official drwaing showing Selune (the moon) and her Tears?! I would love to see such a picture sometime and I don't recall it on any cover or dragon.
Can someone help me out...?
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| Purple Dragon Knight |
Posted - 14 Jan 2008 : 08:50:26
Thanks Wooly. I'll try to check this out at some point.
Unfortunately, in the immediate, I'm more looking at a rules-lawyer type of answer, as the game is Tuesday night and I have a new gamer showing up with a Silverstar...
When I look at the NPC's at the end of CoV (CR13 ogre weredirebear ranger 6, and CR6 human werewolf ranger 4...) I can't stop thinking that this ogre is ECL 27 (ogre 4HD, ogre level adjust +2, dire bear 12HD, ranger 6HD, Level Adjust +3 as he is natural lycan) and that this human is ECL 9 (wolf 2HD, Level Adjust +3, ranger 4HD).
I mean, the werewolf example has ECL minus CR equal to 3. Is it worth 3 levels to get damage reduction 10/silver, +2 STR, +4 DEX, +4 CON, the Scent ability, Low-light vision? sure... I think so...
But the ogre? ECL - CR = 14!!! (although here you get +20 to STR, which is nothing to sneeze at... but still? even though a player would have the gear of a level 27 creature, if you had the choice, would you pick a fight with this guy or a 27th-level wizard?) The CR/ECL spread is way too big IMHO!
So in short: Silverstar PrC allows afflicted to be as natural lycan (so the class in itself gives you a +1 level adjust "for free") but have any of you heard or implemented some guidelines on the HD and level adjustment of the base creature in regards to that PrC? I'm tempted to make it a standard "+3 level adjust gift" (i.e. if you play a werewolf, all it costs you are the two wolf HD, with no artificial level adjustments; if you play something bigger, then you pay artificial (read: HD-less) level adjustment penalties.
Oh, and how does this work with Epic levels? 
Boy I have some reading to do before Tuesday...   |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 14 Jan 2008 : 06:01:28
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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
I have a question to anyone here who has DMed a Silverstar:
How did you deal with the Lycanthrope's animal HD and level adjustment? since "being a lycan" is essentially a feature of the class, did you reduce the level adjustment somewhat? I'm not about to just "cancel" the level adjustment, because the min/maxer in all of us (and within my players as well) will then always opt for werebear or weretiger... 
Check out SKR's Curse of the Moon pdf. He felt weres were broken in D&D, and set out to create a workable system for how to handle them. It's a $5 pdf, and I think it's well worth it -- it's got some really good stuff. |
| Purple Dragon Knight |
Posted - 14 Jan 2008 : 05:18:08
I have a question to anyone here who has DMed a Silverstar:
How did you deal with the Lycanthrope's animal HD and level adjustment? since "being a lycan" is essentially a feature of the class, did you reduce the level adjustment somewhat? I'm not about to just "cancel" the level adjustment, because the min/maxer in all of us (and within my players as well) will then always opt for werebear or weretiger... |
| Neriandal Freit |
Posted - 26 Jan 2006 : 15:29:32
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Kaladorm
Could Seluné ever be revered by evil lycanthropes?
In the same sort of way as some good sailors would offer praise to Umberlee
Not as a patron deity... But anyone can revere any god. It's actually rather common, in the Realms.
Example of course is a farmer paying Talona lip service for no bad crops this season, or sailors going out on the sea and asking Umberlee to spare them. |
| Purple Dragon Knight |
Posted - 23 Jan 2006 : 06:18:54
A Silverstar character incorporating feats from Champions of Valor would make a really interesting PC (i.e. Silver Fang feat, and other "Silver"-themed feats would make things very interesting...) |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 21 Jan 2006 : 19:22:19
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Originally posted by Kaladorm
Could Seluné ever be revered by evil lycanthropes?
In the same sort of way as some good sailors would offer praise to Umberlee
Not as a patron deity... But anyone can revere any god. It's actually rather common, in the Realms. |
| Kaladorm |
Posted - 21 Jan 2006 : 18:19:10
Could Seluné ever be revered by evil lycanthropes?
In the same sort of way as some good sailors would offer praise to Umberlee |
| Firhyanda |
Posted - 21 Jan 2006 : 18:13:52
Greetings
I think that the Lunar Magic Feat from the back of the Waterdeep city of Splendors source book pg146, is a must have for any worshiper of Selune that is a spell caster. If you are using the 3.5 rules set I love the flavor of it. |
| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 21 Jan 2006 : 13:28:12
The latest Dragon Magazine has an article on moon and sun themes, and there are a few substitution levels for rangers and rogues in it, as well as a few feats that detail different advantages that a character might have if they were born under a certain phase of the moon. I immideately thought of Selune, of course. |
| TonyMontana1638 |
Posted - 21 Jan 2006 : 06:22:49
Selune is one of those goddesses that can be worshipped by darn near anyone thanks to her portfolio and reputation. Sailors, lycanthropes, priests, bards, etc. as have been mentioned are great choices but I could see sorcerers, fighters, rogues, druids (connection to nature in the form of lycanthropy and the moon) also. I ran a fighter/sorcerer worshipper of Selune and it was quite rewarding: I've found her to be my favorite deity and most fitting of my own personality.
There is a paladin of selune class in Champions of Valor called the Crescent Moon Knight, entailing that there are some paladins of the silvery goddess. |
| Dart Ambermoon |
Posted - 04 Jan 2006 : 00:55:28
I always found it very easy and contributing (for the character´s background, etc.) to play a bard that worships Selune, aswell (once again I´m 2E, so maybe portfolio changes of newer editions make this less plausible. But her portfolio & the aforementioned aspect of tolerance seem to suit a bardic pc very well, especially if he is a "traveller". |
| Urlithani |
Posted - 02 Jan 2006 : 22:04:28
Selűne preaches tolerance and understanding above most everything else, and her faithful are loved and rapidly growing in number because of this. You could find her influence just about anywhere.
Pretty much because of how much tolerance is preached, any race and/or class combination can revere Selűne. From a Half-orc Barbarian, to a Human Ranger, to a half-aarakocra/tiefling monk/rogue...thing. You get the idea.
Well, any class but Paladin can revere her (Although I thought I skimmed over something that said Paladin of Selűne at one point and time, but I am sure I'm mistaken...yes yes I know about Sune I'm not mixing it up it was somewhere else). I'm not sure about Druids either, actually.
She doesn't give out special abilities, but she is known to bless those who pray at her altars by turning the milk or wine they pour onto it into Moonfire if they have pleased her. This can be collected and used to create magical items and healing potions, or it may flow down and bless those who pray to her, giving them temporary magical abilities.
That's about all I got. I haven't read any D&D books in quite a while. |
| Kentinal |
Posted - 02 Jan 2006 : 10:56:14
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Originally posted by Thelonius
And what special features or abilities would gain a worshipper of Selune ?
Abilities are granted most of the time by selection of class and not deity. Just following the faith of Selune does not grant features that I know of, nor do I recall any other deity granting an asured feature for just following their faith. Some deities will, at DM discreation, will grant some forms of aid to any follower (a few deities might offer minor aid to even non followers that somehow appear deserving of it.) |
| The Sage |
Posted - 02 Jan 2006 : 09:05:01
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Originally posted by Kes_Alanadel
IIRC, Selune is also worshipped by good aligned lycanthropes as well.
~Kes
The aforementioned Mistress of the Night novel contains a good example of this in the form of the main character -- Feena.
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| Thelonius |
Posted - 02 Jan 2006 : 07:59:43
And what special features or habilitieswould gain a worshipper of Selune ? |
| Kuje |
Posted - 02 Jan 2006 : 07:19:37
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Originally posted by Kajehase
Thanks Kuje, you saved me the bother of heading over to Thomas' thread and asking where he got her from
Issue #117 to be exact. :) |
| Kajehase |
Posted - 02 Jan 2006 : 06:20:56
Thanks Kuje, you saved me the bother of heading over to Thomas' thread and asking where he got her from |
| Kuje |
Posted - 02 Jan 2006 : 06:02:23
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Originally posted by Kajehase
Don't forget the nomads in the Marsh Drovers of the Farsea Marshes who worship her in her aspect of "Bright Nydra," either (Dragon #307 - Heroes of Cormyr is where I saw this in case anyone was wondering).
And Bright Nydra was written up in a old Polyhedron by Eric. :) |
| Kajehase |
Posted - 02 Jan 2006 : 05:21:29
Don't forget the nomads in the Marsh Drovers of the Farsea Marshes who worship her in her aspect of "Bright Nydra," either (Dragon #307 - Heroes of Cormyr is where I saw this in case anyone was wondering). |
| Kes_Alanadel |
Posted - 02 Jan 2006 : 04:13:35
IIRC, Selune is also worshipped by good aligned lycanthropes as well.
~Kes |
| The Sage |
Posted - 02 Jan 2006 : 03:50:31
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Originally posted by Kentinal
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Originally posted by The Sage
A priest... following the Silverstar PrC as presented in F&P (or the original 2e version in F&A). You could also try for the 2e Guide priest kit from the Selune entry in F&A.
I believe the question is not about how to run a Priest/ess or cleric, rather it is about what other classes and/or races would take Selune as a patron deity, Though out the realms there are many famous NPCs that have a patron deity but choose not to be a Cleric (or sometimes can not be one).
Not necessarily. Thelonius did ask "which would suit more to this goddess". Obviously, this includes those divine classes which are listed as main choices for servants of Selune.
And KEJR's remarks about the navigator/guide aspect above relates with what I said earlier about the second priest kit for Selune presented in F&A.
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| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 02 Jan 2006 : 01:25:58
I can picture good aligned rogues, ones that do a lot of "work" at night, having Selune as a patron. And after reading Mistress of the Night, I can picture rangers and other devoted to Selune that hate evil lycanthropes, since they pervert the "holiness" of the moonlight with their taint. If I remember correctly, Ed seemed to imply that Selune also tends to be worshipped by female spellcasters, or at least that there is a special link between female arcane casters and Selune, so I could see a sorcerer or wizard that was female and NG, CG, or CN devoted to her, and perhaps making sure to work their scrying and such things that might be put off toward the night time hours when Selune shines down on them.
I almost forgot, sailor and navigators of all types would likely revere her, since they would use her celestial bodies to guide them, and astrologers and fortune tellers that utilize the stars to any degree would also have reason to worship her.
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| Kentinal |
Posted - 02 Jan 2006 : 01:11:01
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Originally posted by The Sage
A priest... following the Silverstar PrC as presented in F&P (or the original 2e version in F&A). You could also try for the 2e Guide priest kit from the Selune entry in F&A.
I believe the question is not about how to run a Priest/ess or cleric, rather it is about what other classes and/or races would take Selune as a patron deity, Though out the realms there are many famous NPCs that have a patron deity but choose not to be a Cleric (or sometimes can not be one). |
| The Sage |
Posted - 02 Jan 2006 : 00:52:49
A priest... following the Silverstar PrC as presented in F&P (or the original 2e version in F&A). You could also try for the 2e Guide priest kit from the Selune entry in F&A.
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