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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 08 Sep 2018 :  01:25:20  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TheIriaeban

Cammarathinor: Created by gnomes (the name is gnomish for “knowledge stone”), these clear or translucent gemstones of crystalline structure no larger in size than a gnome’s balled fist, can receive and hold written information.

If it is held up to the light, a tiny scroll can be seen at the center of the gem. A being who closes their eyes and concentrates on a held gem (only one can be utilized at a time) gets a mental image of the gem opening up and a list of titles for the written works contained appears (if any). The user mentally selects the title and can go to any page desired in the work. The gemstone can hold one written work of no more than 200 pages in length per gp value of the gemstone. As an example, a 500 gp gem could hold 500 written works. Once a written work is stored, it cannot be removed. Having a written work stored in this manner does not affect the user’s reading speed or retention of what is read. The method by which information was transferred into a cammarathinor has not been found and no one so far has discovered a means to accomplish this (among gnomes, the rumor is that Fhzmilliyun Sparkledrim knew of a way but no one has been able to locate it).

Cammarathinor cannot contain any sort of magical writings (spellbooks, scrolls, librams, tomes, etc). However, a very rare version has been found that can. Called a cammaradil, these gems can hold up to 1 spell per 10gp value of the gem. The being holding the stone is able to transfer a memorized spell into the gemstone and thereafter use the gemstone as a spellbook for memorizing that spell. It takes 1 round per level of the spell to be “transcribed” into the gemstone. The spell is lost from the being’s memory just as if they had cast the spell normally. Again, once a spell is transcribed into the cammaradil, it cannot be erased (even by using the spell of the same name).

A cammarathinor/cammaradil otherwise has no special properties besides being immune to damage by natural and magical heat, flame, lava, extreme cold, or mineral contamination. Shattering a cammarathinor/cammaradil (normal save versus crushing blow) does nothing more than destroy the gemstone and make any information held within unrecoverable by any magic less than a wish. A dispel magic cast on such a stone does not affect it in any way.




That's pretty nifty, though I'd limit the amount of books one of these can store -- I'm not keen on one gem being an entire library. Maybe make it something like 1d4 books per 100 gp.

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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 08 Sep 2018 01:40:04
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TheIriaeban
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Yeah, I was trying to one-up a kiira figuring that a gnome could work with a gem better than an elf. If I remember my thinking, a kiira would hold the memories of a number of elves so a gnome "harddrive" should be able to hold quite a bit of information. While it may make a library portable, it doesn't eliminate the cost of creating one and imagine the owner's fury when some cutpurse just took his 20,000 gp library. Easily portable works both ways. That's the cost of convenience.

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i think it might be cooler if it was not some mental magic, rather, the information was recorded into minute imperfections within the crystal that could be read if wearing eye scopes and held to light.
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Originally posted by Thraskir Skimper

Scryology is more about actions and means to achieve results bending minds and extracting information and less about relying on imagined beings who one really doesn't understand.



He created a deliberately ridiculous word based on the term scrying to ridicule. You took that and amplified it by confusing scrying, a purview of the school of divination with spells from the school of Enchantment.

Your Zulkirs would expel you and probably trade you for a kobold slave or two.
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TheIriaeban
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Posted - 08 Sep 2018 :  02:47:19  Show Profile Send TheIriaeban a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I didn't think of that. Plus it means there is something else needed so that if the lenses are lost, you can't access the information until they are found or new ones made/purchased.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 08 Sep 2018 :  03:19:01  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TheIriaeban

Yeah, I was trying to one-up a kiira figuring that a gnome could work with a gem better than an elf. If I remember my thinking, a kiira would hold the memories of a number of elves so a gnome "harddrive" should be able to hold quite a bit of information. While it may make a library portable, it doesn't eliminate the cost of creating one and imagine the owner's fury when some cutpurse just took his 20,000 gp library. Easily portable works both ways. That's the cost of convenience.



Considering that a tel'kiira can hold centuries' worth of elven knowledge and has strict requirements for who can use it, I'd not say that your creation one-ups that. Not trying to bash your effort or anything, but this doesn't come close to equaling a tel'kiira, much less improving on it. Essentially, it's a simple e-reader, as opposed to a full-on tablet.

Don't get me wrong, I love the idea, and I wish I'd thought of it. But I think that in a world where the mass production of books isn't a thing that being able to carry around literally hundreds of books shouldn't be that easy.

In the Realms, most people will go their entire lives without even seeing hundreds of books -- only scholars, some priests, and wealthy people would be able to say otherwise. There simply isn't a need to carry hundreds of books.

Going with my suggestion, a gemstone worth 1000 gp could still hold, potentially, 40 books. That's still a heck of a lot by Realms standards; even 20 books could be worth a fortune to the right person, depending on the subject matter.

In fact, I can see a lot of potential just from that angle. Perhaps priests of Cyric want to destroy this one particular stone, which holds the only known copy of Cyric's mom's diary. Maybe a sage has learned of a stone that holds a dozen books on his chosen specialty, and wants the PCs to get that stone for him, by any means possible. Maybe the PCs one day find what they think is a regular gemstone and pocket it, and later find assassins after them -- the gemstone is a cammarathinor that contains a ledger proving that a guildmaster has been skimming guild profits into his own pocket for years, and he'd be ruined if anyone found that out.

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by The Masked Mage

i think it might be cooler if it was not some mental magic, rather, the information was recorded into minute imperfections within the crystal that could be read if wearing eye scopes and held to light.




While I do like this idea, this also limits how much can be written into a stone -- the more imperfections, the less the gp value, and thus fewer books.

Perhaps a compromise, of sorts? The gemstone acts as a projector, creating an illusory copy of the book that can be opened and have pages turned like a real book.

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sleyvas
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Posted - 08 Sep 2018 :  12:15:56  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TheIriaeban

Cammarathinor: Created by gnomes (the name is gnomish for “knowledge stone”), these clear or translucent gemstones of crystalline structure no larger in size than a gnome’s balled fist, can receive and hold written information.

If it is held up to the light, a tiny scroll can be seen at the center of the gem. A being who closes their eyes and concentrates on a held gem (only one can be utilized at a time) gets a mental image of the gem opening up and a list of titles for the written works contained appears (if any). The user mentally selects the title and can go to any page desired in the work. The gemstone can hold one written work of no more than 200 pages in length per gp value of the gemstone. As an example, a 500 gp gem could hold 500 written works. Once a written work is stored, it cannot be removed. Having a written work stored in this manner does not affect the user’s reading speed or retention of what is read. The method by which information was transferred into a cammarathinor has not been found and no one so far has discovered a means to accomplish this (among gnomes, the rumor is that Fhzmilliyun Sparkledrim knew of a way but no one has been able to locate it).

Cammarathinor cannot contain any sort of magical writings (spellbooks, scrolls, librams, tomes, etc). However, a very rare version has been found that can. Called a cammaradil, these gems can hold up to 1 spell per 10gp value of the gem. The being holding the stone is able to transfer a memorized spell into the gemstone and thereafter use the gemstone as a spellbook for memorizing that spell. It takes 1 round per level of the spell to be “transcribed” into the gemstone. The spell is lost from the being’s memory just as if they had cast the spell normally. Again, once a spell is transcribed into the cammaradil, it cannot be erased (even by using the spell of the same name).

A cammarathinor/cammaradil otherwise has no special properties besides being immune to damage by natural and magical heat, flame, lava, extreme cold, or mineral contamination. Shattering a cammarathinor/cammaradil (normal save versus crushing blow) does nothing more than destroy the gemstone and make any information held within unrecoverable by any magic less than a wish. A dispel magic cast on such a stone does not affect it in any way.




I like it. Similar to a kiira, but not as effective. It makes for a nice way to both preserve and transport a rather basic library. Well done, goodsir.

Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

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sleyvas
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Posted - 08 Sep 2018 :  12:29:25  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Masked Mage

i think it might be cooler if it was not some mental magic, rather, the information was recorded into minute imperfections within the crystal that could be read if wearing eye scopes and held to light.




Hmm, or perhaps if you shine a light through it at various angles, it projects an image of the page (as an illusion mind you) onto the wall. This would very much make it fit with gnomish magic, it being illusions. Also, perhaps different books are readable with different colored light projections, such that you shoot a red light through it and it puts out illusions of pages from "A treatise of the uses of various trees of Northern Faerun in fine craftsmanship" whereas shooting a blue light may produce "Herbology: a study of the use of leaves and berries to cure ills". This could also help obscure it because maybe the light has to be at a certain frequency, etc... so you have to have a certain kind of light projector.


BTW, if this sounds very similar to the cartoon How to Train your Dragon on Netflix and the thing they have where a dragon shines its light through it. There might even be something similar to it wherein if you find like 5 specific gems and shine a certain light through it, it will reveal a "hidden" book that's separated throughout multiple gems.

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sleyvas
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Posted - 08 Sep 2018 :  12:31:39  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Masked Mage

quote:
Originally posted by Thraskir Skimper

Scryology is more about actions and means to achieve results bending minds and extracting information and less about relying on imagined beings who one really doesn't understand.



He created a deliberately ridiculous word based on the term scrying to ridicule. You took that and amplified it by confusing scrying, a purview of the school of divination with spells from the school of Enchantment.

Your Zulkirs would expel you and probably trade you for a kobold slave or two.



Let me be clear... I didn't create that word.... Scryology is entirely Thraskir's. I used his own word.

Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

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sleyvas
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Posted - 08 Sep 2018 :  12:32:39  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by The Masked Mage

i think it might be cooler if it was not some mental magic, rather, the information was recorded into minute imperfections within the crystal that could be read if wearing eye scopes and held to light.




While I do like this idea, this also limits how much can be written into a stone -- the more imperfections, the less the gp value, and thus fewer books.

Perhaps a compromise, of sorts? The gemstone acts as a projector, creating an illusory copy of the book that can be opened and have pages turned like a real book.



LOL, Wooly, it seems we hit upon the same idea. Good job.

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The Masked Mage
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Posted - 08 Sep 2018 :  13:53:24  Show Profile  Send The Masked Mage an AOL message  Click to see The Masked Mage's MSN Messenger address Send The Masked Mage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

quote:
Originally posted by The Masked Mage

quote:
Originally posted by Thraskir Skimper

Scryology is more about actions and means to achieve results bending minds and extracting information and less about relying on imagined beings who one really doesn't understand.



He created a deliberately ridiculous word based on the term scrying to ridicule. You took that and amplified it by confusing scrying, a purview of the school of divination with spells from the school of Enchantment.

Your Zulkirs would expel you and probably trade you for a kobold slave or two.



Let me be clear... I didn't create that word.... Scryology is entirely Thraskir's. I used his own word.



Ha. My bad. I wouldn't claim it either :)
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TheIriaeban
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Joyous Communion of Laughter. Here is another spell developed by a gnome for gnomes. (It was only after I had to create a gnome illusionist/thief NPC and get inside her head that I realized just how little there was out there for gnome specific magic. These guys are crazily inventive. They should almost be swimming in spells of their own creation).

Fhzmilliyun’s Hallway — Gnome
(Alteration, Illusion)
Level 4
Range: Touch
Components: S
Duration: 1 round/level
Casting Time: 4
Area of Effect: 10-foot wide by 5 feet/level length of tunnel or hallway
Saving Throw: Special

Created to defend their dwellings, the spell will weaken an invading force by shrinking them as they go further into the area of effect. The affected area has a maximum width of 10 feet and up to 5 feet in length per level of the caster. For each 5 feet traveled by creatures hostile to the gnome caster, they will shrink by 10 percent of their normal size down to a minimum height of 1 inch. There is an illusionary component of the spell so that this shrinkage will not be noticed by those affected by the spell. They may think that the tunnel is getting larger but they will not notice that the people further along in the area of effect are smaller than they used to be. However, they may later get a nasty surprise when encountering “giant gnomes” (seemingly up to 200 feet tall when at maximum effect).

Much like the reverse of the enlarge spell, the damage output is reduced proportionally. For example, an orc wielding a short sword that has been reduced by 50% would also have the damage of the sword reduced by 50%. Magical effects are not affected so a +1 sword would still be +1 and a wand of fireballs the size of a sewing needle would still produce a 6d6 fireball.

There are two saving throws associated with this spell: one for the shrinking effect and one for the illusion so that members of the same group can see themselves or others shrinking or not shrinking depending on who is successful with each saving throw. A dispel magic spell can end Fhzmilliyun’s hallway but it will take a dispel magic per affected being to cancel out any shrinkage that has already happened.

This spell was created by Fhzmilliyun Sparkledrim, a famous (at least among gnomes) illusionist from the time of Ascalhorn.

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