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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire

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Posted - 08 Nov 2016 :  04:25:23  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yup. I was just a little too late; started hanging around the WotC site the last couple of years of 3e, just as things were winding down. Then when that place became a mess, I became a regular here (in the 'Land that Time Forgot', with the rest of the dinosaurs LOL).

I LOVE working with authors/designers on maps. I did a few for authors of another publishing house and it was a great experience (an I think the authors were unused to so much back-and-forth feedback on the artwork). Its a great way for two perfectionists to be very happy.

And Eric is probably the biggest perfectionist I've ever met when it comes to the lore. I've never had anyone out-anal me before... and I mean that in the most admirable way (I was going to say 'loving way', but when coupled with 'anal' the whole thing sounded like something else entirely).

Cheers

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 22 Nov 2016 01:52:07
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dazzlerdal
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Posted - 08 Nov 2016 :  08:47:49  Show Profile Send dazzlerdal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well i think its better that Markustay is the go to guy for maps now for us fans. And that he is back in the keep regularly after his hiatus.

Let me know if you ever fancy doing a map or two for fan work. I still harbour an ambition to rewrite the realms as something a little tighter, more interactive, and with no added apocalypses.

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Lhynard
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Posted - 10 Nov 2016 :  05:33:33  Show Profile  Visit Lhynard's Homepage Send Lhynard a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hello, Eric, or anyone else who might be able to answer:

I had a question about the Gurs mentioned in Races of Faerūn; are these the same stock of people as those of the Gur tribe of the Hordelands mentioned in The Horde?

Thanks for any insight!
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Markustay
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Posted - 10 Nov 2016 :  06:45:01  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I think the connection was more 'implied', than 'verified', considering that the one (RoF) is specifically mentioned to be of 'Rashemi stock', whilst the other is of a related, nearby nomadic people (both being related to the Raumanthyr group, which dominated the entire region encompassing both Gur).

The Rashemi are a descendant of Raumanther, whilst the Gur of the wastes are probably an ancestor of the Raumanther (or perhaps even a group of survivors of fallen Raumanther, having 'devolved' back to a more primitive culture).

There 'may' be another connection to the people who settled Seventon (later Netherese), but thats purely conjecture. One of their early settlements was named 'Gurs'. Considering two other groups of nomads are related to the Netherese - the Tunlanders* and the people of The Ride (Eraka) - I would hazard to guess all of these 'early nomadic peoples' in Faerūn originated from the east, and are all interrelated.


*I forget the precise name for this ethnic sub-group - either 'Mir' or 'Mur'. If 'Mur', than that sounds a lot like 'Gur'. If 'Mir', then perhaps they would be related to the (fallen) kingdom of that name down in the Lands of Intrigue (which also has its own, separate, group of 'horse barbarians').

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 10 Nov 2016 06:46:26
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sleyvas
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Posted - 10 Nov 2016 :  22:19:32  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

I think the connection was more 'implied', than 'verified', considering that the one (RoF) is specifically mentioned to be of 'Rashemi stock', whilst the other is of a related, nearby nomadic people (both being related to the Raumanthyr group, which dominated the entire region encompassing both Gur).

The Rashemi are a descendant of Raumanther, whilst the Gur of the wastes are probably an ancestor of the Raumanther (or perhaps even a group of survivors of fallen Raumanther, having 'devolved' back to a more primitive culture).

There 'may' be another connection to the people who settled Seventon (later Netherese), but thats purely conjecture. One of their early settlements was named 'Gurs'. Considering two other groups of nomads are related to the Netherese - the Tunlanders* and the people of The Ride (Eraka) - I would hazard to guess all of these 'early nomadic peoples' in Faerūn originated from the east, and are all interrelated.


*I forget the precise name for this ethnic sub-group - either 'Mir' or 'Mur'. If 'Mur', than that sounds a lot like 'Gur'. If 'Mir', then perhaps they would be related to the (fallen) kingdom of that name down in the Lands of Intrigue (which also has its own, separate, group of 'horse barbarians').



Raumathar, not Raumanther

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Fellfire
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Posted - 19 Nov 2016 :  22:43:09  Show Profile Send Fellfire a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TomCosta

Trace,

Tom here. They are definitely two different weapons. I visualized the shyrlass as a cross between a katana and a rapier for whatever its worth, with the idea that drow would have as much dedication to crafting a weapon as any Japanese swordsmith and develop a sword that would benefit from their high dexterity and keen minds as well as their innate cruelty, thus the katana of rapiers if you will. I actually considered making it an exotic weapon and hemmed and hawed about doing so.

As a side note, some have suggested that of all the PrCs in the file, that the kyorlin velve is a little broken and that the Con damage ability should be scaled back. I'm not sure I agree given all of the requirements for entry, but take it for what it's worth.

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Eric, I'm curious about a point in the (outstanding!) "Prestige of the Realms" .pdf file I downloaded from your site a couple of months ago. I'd address it to Thomas Costa directly, as 'tis one of his creations I need clarified, but sadly that worthy has no scroll of his own.

In the discussion of the kyorlin velve PrC there's a new (OGL) drow weapon called the shyrlass, described as being a variant rapier yet classed as a one-handed, martial, slashing weapon. Is a character specifically given proficiency with the rapier (for example, an elf or a bard) also considered proficient with the shyrlass, or are the techniques sufficiently divergent to constitute different proficiencies?

My own gut feeling is the two weapons have two different and distinct fighting styles - but I've certainly been wrong before....



Do shyrlass have basket hilts?

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Fellfire
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Posted - 21 Nov 2016 :  19:44:16  Show Profile Send Fellfire a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Posting this here in case any future scribes wonder. Tom told me this in response to my query, "do shyrlass have basket hilts?"

"I always kind of pictured them like a cross between a saber and a katana, but something the wielder could roll around their hands, so probably a decent crossguard, but probably not a basket hilt."

Misanthorpe

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"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises

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Edited by - Fellfire on 21 Nov 2016 19:49:48
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TomCosta
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Posted - 22 Nov 2016 :  00:16:03  Show Profile Send TomCosta a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I can also assure all that the linkage between the two types of Gur is very much intentional.
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TomCosta
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Posted - 22 Nov 2016 :  00:19:33  Show Profile Send TomCosta a Private Message  Reply with Quote
While I don't know if we completely flushed it out, my recollection is that we saw the Gur as mostly related to the Rashemi and Raumathar with some connection to the Hordelands.

This is different from the real world Roma, which appear to have traveled from India north and west toward Europe, mixing with West Asians and Eastern Europeans to make a new mix. The idea is the same though.
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Markustay
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Posted - 22 Nov 2016 :  01:48:50  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So I was pretty-much 'spot on'.

Of course, I use Tom's language article a lot to trace 'ethnicities' in the Realms.

And Fellfire, thank you for the correction. The word I REALLY should have used was 'Raumvari', which is a name used in the horde article (in Dragon #349) as an 'umbrella' term for all those peoples (originating in The Taan) of similar racial stock (in other words, NON-Tuigan).

I theorized they may have even been aboriginal to the Hordelands, and been 'pushed north' by the Muhjein (Durpari/Muhjari) as those southern peoples spread into the lower Taan (and became the Imaskari), and then were later pushed west by the 'Horse Lords' (proto-Tuigan) from northern Kara-Tur (thus, the migration of the Gur/Raumvari into Faerūn-proper). Large groups of 'early peoples' being displaced by others, and moving far-afield is something that happened in our own, RW history. Add-in non-humans and monsters, and there was probably far more of this type of thing going on than in RW.

EDIT: Oh, and portals. Lots and lots of portals; some large enough to 'scoop up' entire populations. So little time, so many Realms Forgotten.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 22 Nov 2016 01:51:18
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Markustay
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Posted - 27 Nov 2016 :  22:00:40  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay

*I forget the precise name for this ethnic sub-group - either 'Mir' or 'Mur'. If 'Mur', than that sounds a lot like 'Gur'. If 'Mir', then perhaps they would be related to the (fallen) kingdom of that name down in the Lands of Intrigue (which also has its own, separate, group of 'horse barbarians').
It is 'Mir', not 'Mur' (although I wouldn't be adverse to a retcon). 'Mir' is a bit confusing, since we had a kingdom by that name down in the Lands of Intrigue, and as much as I love to connect stuff together, I'm just not seeing any connection there (other than a nearby, similar group of 'savage nomad horsemen' - the 'Lions' of the Arnadar).

I found a reference with the name on pg.#37 of The Ruins of Zhentil Keep, in a sidebar. Another source I oft-overlook.

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Thamiar
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Posted - 08 Dec 2016 :  14:22:25  Show Profile Send Thamiar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hello Eric,
I am a big fan of Myrkul, and I am gathering all available informations about him!
I know, that you wrote great adventure "Eye of Myrkul"! And I am so happy it exists, it is fantastic :D!
In this topic, http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=18348&whichpage=5 I read, that you were writing history of the Crown of Horns as part of a fun project. Is it available somewhere for people?
Also, are there any plans for new content concerning my favourite deity?
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Gareth
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Posted - 28 Mar 2017 :  08:28:58  Show Profile Send Gareth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hello Eric,

In the Vampires of Waterdeep series in DUNGEON, you shared vast amounts of lore that covered the Company of Crazed Venturers, as well as some exciting snippets of background for Maaril.

I was wondering
(i) If this was the totality of the lore you had on these subjects
(ii) If there was any more snippets you could share

Regards
~Gareth
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KanzenAU
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Posted - 30 Mar 2017 :  00:31:35  Show Profile Send KanzenAU a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Eric,
What was your view on the bridge/ford/river traffic situation in Daggerford? In another thread we're trying to work out how river traffic can be possible from the mouth of the Delimbiyr to Shining Falls, whilst at the same time there being a ford and a bridge present.

I've had a look through your notes on the area in this thread (which are awesome) and didn't find much (except that you called it the Shining Bridge), but I imagine it's something you've thought about... opinion?

Regional maps for Waterdeep, Triboar, Ardeep Forest, and Cormyr on DM's Guild, plus a campaign sized map for the North
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Lhynard
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Posted - 30 Mar 2017 :  03:17:30  Show Profile  Visit Lhynard's Homepage Send Lhynard a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TomCosta

I can also assure all that the linkage between the two types of Gur is very much intentional.


quote:
Originally posted by TomCosta

While I don't know if we completely flushed it out, my recollection is that we saw the Gur as mostly related to the Rashemi and Raumathar with some connection to the Hordelands.

This is different from the real world Roma, which appear to have traveled from India north and west toward Europe, mixing with West Asians and Eastern Europeans to make a new mix. The idea is the same though.


Thanks, Tom!
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Thamiar
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Posted - 22 May 2017 :  09:56:09  Show Profile Send Thamiar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I think Eric is no longer looking on this forum :(
I also tried to contact him via e-mail, but with no results.
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Duneth Despana
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Posted - 18 Jul 2017 :  15:14:54  Show Profile Send Duneth Despana a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I was reading through the Waterdeep Environs WE and noticed that there isn't an entry for the Sword Hills (number 21 on the map) and I can't find any information on them anywhere else. Was there an entry at one point but it was cut? Thank you in advance!

Edit: (found a reference about Morlin being the Lord Protector of the hills)
Edit: I'm discovering just how much of what I'm guessing is 'Illefarn Anew' you've posted from page 33 onwards (thanks to Markus' Daggerford Environs map) and have thus seen the various Talassan lore about the Sword Hills too.

« There is no overriding « epic » in the Realms, but rather a large number of stories, adventures, and encounters going on all the time. [...]. Each creative mind adds to the base, creating, defining, and making their contribution to the rich diversity of the Realms. [...]. But Ed built the stage upon which all the plays are presented. Thanks Ed. » -FR Comic no.1

Edited by - Duneth Despana on 23 Jul 2017 18:32:54
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