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Seravin
Senior Scribe

Canada
972 Posts

Posted - 14 Feb 2019 :  10:43:10  Show Profile Send Seravin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Elaine - over the years I have appreciated Elfsong more and more as my favorite Realms book from you. One thing I haven't really understood with it though is the rules/logic about the song that Garnet cast - it seems to be very random who had their memory of the old ballads songs twisted/removed and who didn't. Is there in fact a logic behind it that you can share with us? Were high level bards/people not impacted ("made their saving throw") or was it specific people targeted? Was there a range to the spell? Any races more susceptible than others?

I really, really like this book and re-read it regularly. Just a very fun romp, I only wish it had more Arilyn and Danilo together in it.
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Sunderstone
Learned Scribe

91 Posts

Posted - 13 Aug 2019 :  14:36:16  Show Profile Send Sunderstone a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Elaine. I've loved all your books and how much you brought Waterdeep to life any many of them. I have a question about Piergeiron between Thornhold and Waterdeep City of Splendors. In Thornhold, he seemed more political and there was obviously tension between he and Khelban. In City of Splendors, he seemed much more open and Kingly, a kind of King Arthur figure. And there didn't seem to be any implied tension between he and Khelban and Mirt was obviously very protective when he was attacked. Was this more of a story point or a difference in Ed's interpretation of Piergeiron?
Thanks!

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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author

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Posted - 13 Aug 2019 :  16:40:50  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Sunderstone

Hi Elaine. I've loved all your books and how much you brought Waterdeep to life any many of them. I have a question about Piergeiron between Thornhold and Waterdeep City of Splendors. In Thornhold, he seemed more political and there was obviously tension between he and Khelban. In City of Splendors, he seemed much more open and Kingly, a kind of King Arthur figure. And there didn't seem to be any implied tension between he and Khelban and Mirt was obviously very protective when he was attacked. Was this more of a story point or a difference in Ed's interpretation of Piergeiron?
Thanks!



Hi, Sunderstone.

The differences can be attributed to two things: theme and narrative point of view.

Thornhold was all about politics, the Harper organization in particular. It was originally intended to be a "pivot novel" that would open a story line about a Harper schism. The editorial direction shifted, so not all of those themes played out, but the political issues remained central to the story. A central question in City of Splendors was "What is a hero?" Piergeiron is both a politician and a heroic warrior, but those roles can look quite different.

Point of view can also make a huge difference. In Thornhold, we see Piergeiron mostly through Khelben's eyes, in the context of two government officials working through some difficult issues. In City of Splendors, Piergieron is seem through the eyes of a young admirer who does indeed see him as a bright and shining paladin/king.

I'm sure we'd get yet another perspective of Piergeiron in a novel about his early life and training, or a novel told from the viewpoint of his future wife during their courtship, or a story told from the POV of his teenaged daughters. All of these portrayals would be different, all of them might be accurate, and none of them would tell the whole story of the man and his life.
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Gary Dallison
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United Kingdom
4762 Posts

Posted - 13 Aug 2019 :  18:22:50  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Elaine,

I'm working on the Moonshae Isles for a moment and was hoping to secret place one of the children of Zaor and Amlaruil there (unfortunately I will probably have her killed during the events of Darkwalker). I cant remember their names right now but it was one of the twin girls drowned on route to elsewhere that I intended to use (figuring the either the story was a ruse to keep them secret and safe or that the ship did sink but at least one survived and was reported dead to again keep her safe)

Now i had a look into the children and couldn't find very much detail beyond a very broad period of time in which they were born (the start of Amlaruils reign and the present day) and in what order.

Would you be able to provide a narrower timeline in years (or even decades) when certain children were born (particularly the boy and girl twins, i know that twin boys were also in synnoria and was trying to figure out why they would all be in one place but not necessarily know one another - I guess it depends at what age they were sent away and when they were born).

Anyway, I hope some of my rambling request made sense.

Kind Regards

Gary

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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author

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Posted - 13 Aug 2019 :  18:25:40  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gary Dallison

Hi Elaine,

I'm working on the Moonshae Isles for a moment and was hoping to secret place one of the children of Zaor and Amlaruil there (unfortunately I will probably have her killed during the events of Darkwalker). I cant remember their names right now but it was one of the twin girls drowned on route to elsewhere that I intended to use (figuring the either the story was a ruse to keep them secret and safe or that the ship did sink but at least one survived and was reported dead to again keep her safe)

Now i had a look into the children and couldn't find very much detail beyond a very broad period of time in which they were born (the start of Amlaruils reign and the present day) and in what order.

Would you be able to provide a narrower timeline in years (or even decades) when certain children were born (particularly the boy and girl twins, i know that twin boys were also in synnoria and was trying to figure out why they would all be in one place but not necessarily know one another - I guess it depends at what age they were sent away and when they were born).

Anyway, I hope some of my rambling request made sense.

Kind Regards

Gary




Hi, Gary.

Unfortunately, my notes for Evermeet were lost 20 years ago, during a move from Maryland to Rhode Island. I don't have this information readily available and would have to recreate a timeline, which would require more research than I'm able to do at present. The best solution would be to assign whatever dates work best for your campaign.
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Gary Dallison
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United Kingdom
4762 Posts

Posted - 13 Aug 2019 :  18:41:26  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm fine with doing the leg work, it's a shame your notes were lost though.

Just to check, but did you envisage the children being born close together (i.e. every year as the evermeet novel implies), or decades and perhaps a century or more between the youngest and oldest children

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CorellonsDevout
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USA
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Posted - 13 Aug 2019 :  19:04:05  Show Profile  Send CorellonsDevout an AOL message Send CorellonsDevout a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Iirc from Evermeet (it's been several years since I read it) both sets of twins seemed close together, so a few years a part, rather than decades. Amlaruil seemed pretty fertile for an elf lol. Don't quote me on the time length though.

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Gary Dallison
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 Aug 2019 :  19:18:06  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I vaguely remember the phrase being "a child born each spring", which implies of course that one was born every year. However, humans measure the passing of years, elves being of longer life may measure time in a different manner and spring may refer not to an ever changing annual season, but a macro period of growth spanning a decade or more where the land or the kingdom or even the family of Amlaruil prospered or shook off a wintry/desolate period.


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CorellonsDevout
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USA
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Posted - 13 Aug 2019 :  19:34:47  Show Profile  Send CorellonsDevout an AOL message Send CorellonsDevout a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Possible (elves do measure age differently), but they are also attuned to nature and the seasons, so "every spring" could mean exactly that. I think it would have been mentioned if it had meant something different, so that we (as readers) would understand the time frame. I will not speak for Elaine though ^^ that is just my interpretation.

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Sunderstone
Learned Scribe

91 Posts

Posted - 20 Aug 2019 :  02:51:07  Show Profile Send Sunderstone a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ElaineCunningham

quote:
Originally posted by Sunderstone

Hi Elaine. I've loved all your books and how much you brought Waterdeep to life any many of them. I have a question about Piergeiron between Thornhold and Waterdeep City of Splendors. In Thornhold, he seemed more political and there was obviously tension between he and Khelban. In City of Splendors, he seemed much more open and Kingly, a kind of King Arthur figure. And there didn't seem to be any implied tension between he and Khelban and Mirt was obviously very protective when he was attacked. Was this more of a story point or a difference in Ed's interpretation of Piergeiron?
Thanks!



Hi, Sunderstone.

The differences can be attributed to two things: theme and narrative point of view.

Thornhold was all about politics, the Harper organization in particular. It was originally intended to be a "pivot novel" that would open a story line about a Harper schism. The editorial direction shifted, so not all of those themes played out, but the political issues remained central to the story. A central question in City of Splendors was "What is a hero?" Piergeiron is both a politician and a heroic warrior, but those roles can look quite different.

Point of view can also make a huge difference. In Thornhold, we see Piergeiron mostly through Khelben's eyes, in the context of two government officials working through some difficult issues. In City of Splendors, Piergieron is seem through the eyes of a young admirer who does indeed see him as a bright and shining paladin/king.

I'm sure we'd get yet another perspective of Piergeiron in a novel about his early life and training, or a novel told from the viewpoint of his future wife during their courtship, or a story told from the POV of his teenaged daughters. All of these portrayals would be different, all of them might be accurate, and none of them would tell the whole story of the man and his life.




Thanks! Here is hoping you get to take us back to Waterdeep with old friends like Danilo and Arilyn one more time!
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore

1959 Posts

Posted - 07 Oct 2019 :  06:51:06  Show Profile Send Fellfire a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hey Elaine. How've you been? I was wondering if there was an elven name for the flower that Foxfire is named for? Also, do you have an image of his rune? I hope all is well. I hope you are still active here. Your voice is needed in the Realms.

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Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.

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AJA
Learned Scribe

USA
319 Posts

Posted - 03 Nov 2019 :  04:13:32  Show Profile Send AJA a Private Message  Reply with Quote

Hello Elaine,

I've recently come across a couple of old snippets of interest involving your work that I'd like to inquire about.

First, looking back through some old REALMS-L posts, I found this response from Eric way back in October of 2003:
quote:
Originally posted by Eric L. Boyd
As for Elaine's most-excellent "Counselors & Kings" series, there is in deed just one laraken in that book. I know that Elaine has done a write-up of "Aklauer's laraken" (again unofficially), but it hasn't been posted anywhere and it's not mine to post. Maybe someday she'll have a place to publish it.


Second, back in Ed's 2007 Thread The Hooded One wrote the following in the course of some The City of Splendors: A Waterdeep Novel chat:
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One
To answer your "what got cut" question: an entire Gemcloak and his subplot, throughout, a folk tale of Elaine's that Ed termed "short but very pretty,"

(y'know, looking back on it I said "old snippets," but perhaps "hoary" would have been a better descriptor )

....Nonetheless, would you be able to share anything further on these (or point me in the right direction if you were indeed able to make your laraken material available)?


AJA
YAFRP
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author

2356 Posts

Posted - 03 Nov 2019 :  13:06:55  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AJA



....Nonetheless, would you be able to share anything further on these (or point me in the right direction if you were indeed able to make your laraken material available)?





Unfortunately, I no longer have this material. It lived on a computer that crashed something like 15 years ago.
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author

2356 Posts

Posted - 03 Nov 2019 :  13:07:40  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage Send ElaineCunningham a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Fellfire

Hey Elaine. How've you been? I was wondering if there was an elven name for the flower that Foxfire is named for? Also, do you have an image of his rune? I hope all is well. I hope you are still active here. Your voice is needed in the Realms.



Sorry, I do not have an image for this rune, or an elven name for the flower.

Edited by - ElaineCunningham on 03 Nov 2019 13:09:15
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AJA
Learned Scribe

USA
319 Posts

Posted - 03 Nov 2019 :  13:42:35  Show Profile Send AJA a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
Unfortunately, I no longer have this material. It lived on a computer that crashed something like 15 years ago.

Well, fiddlesticks. The Eater of Computers (more dead drives for the dead drive throne!) once again proving itself a true nemesis of all things Realmslore, second only to the all-encompassing horror of The Dread NDA.

And thank you for the reply!


AJA
YAFRP
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Aureus
Learned Scribe

Luxembourg
121 Posts

Posted - 06 Nov 2019 :  21:03:01  Show Profile  Send Aureus an ICQ Message Send Aureus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have very recently read Elfshadow, Elfsong and Silver Shadows. I really really liked them and I could talk in depth what I liked about what and so on.

Simply know this, even almost 20 years after publishing, there is still a new reader that thinks what you wrote was cool. <3


And for the funzies, after the (main)events of Silver Shadows, when Arylin walked in to meet a certain very important relative of hers, I actually had trouble mentally vocalizing the words written. In my mind Arylin limped in using her drawn Moonblade as crutch (not because the blade that supports her lack lack of personal strength, but because it is like an extension of her true self, like a healthy, functional and reliable third leg or arm,; also drawn because then the blade is as naked and raw as Arylin is in her emotions; it is all symbolic^^), emotionally roiling while naming her price for the job completed (a particular strip of land) and followed by punching said important relative straight in the face only to just after that embrace said relative and tearfully ask said ancestor why on the gods' good Abeir-Toril she (and people of similar parentage) were not allowed to come to a certain place.

Edit: I know Arylin didn't do this, but I couldn't help replace replace what had happened on emotional level with what made sense to me with my emotional fabric of the time that I post this.

Edit2: It just made more sense to me that way^^ No harm, no foul and I am currently reading Thornhold :)

Edit3: Never cease writing^^

That is not the weirdest thing that happened to me

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sleyvas
Great Reader

USA
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Posted - 08 Nov 2019 :  14:16:16  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Elaine,

Just out of curiosity, if you had to pick a favorite character from your realms novels that you wrote about, which one gave you personally the most fun? I know it can be a lot of difference for a reader versus the writer.

Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

Phillip aka Sleyvas
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