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sleyvas
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Posted - 30 Nov 2017 :  01:54:26  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Diffan

So now that the book is out, has anyone got a copy? I haven't seen all what's inside and I do see that there's some backlash over having re-hashed material from the Sword Coast Adventure Guide. Apparently it was done because Adventure League rules say that you can make a character using the PHB +1 other book (Volo's Guide, Sword Coast Adventure Guide, OR Xanathar's Guide to everything).



That's a stupid rule... and no, haven't got mine yet.

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TomCosta
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Posted - 30 Nov 2017 :  03:29:21  Show Profile Send TomCosta a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I've got a copy. The amount of pages devoted to previously released material (excluding UA test material) is relatively minimal - it includes a handful of SCAG subclasses and a few pages of Elemental Evil spells, so maybe 10 pages-ish. I thought the various tables were actually useful for a lot of folks to help flesh out their characters. Some of the DM section stuff was less interesting to me, but I could still see the utility (the encounter tables and magic item tables, for example). By far the best thing, and I know this has no game relevance, was Xanathar's commentary. Several made me laugh out loud. There is nearly no Realms lore and certainly none of note. Nevertheless, if you play 5E, it's solid expansion, lots of player options and lots of useful stuff for the DM.
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Diffan
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Posted - 30 Nov 2017 :  13:43:02  Show Profile Send Diffan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

quote:
Originally posted by Diffan

So now that the book is out, has anyone got a copy? I haven't seen all what's inside and I do see that there's some backlash over having re-hashed material from the Sword Coast Adventure Guide. Apparently it was done because Adventure League rules say that you can make a character using the PHB +1 other book (Volo's Guide, Sword Coast Adventure Guide, OR Xanathar's Guide to everything).



That's a stupid rule... and no, haven't got mine yet.



I don't fully understand the rule either? In the ages where splat books were being churned out faster than mobile apps of annoying games, the Groups didn't seem to have any significant qualms about someone using the PHB, Spell Compendium, Magic Item Compendium, and Complete Mage to make their character or simply use the DDI with nearly everything compiled into 1 program to make a character either (I just used the online CB to make my daughter her first Water-dragon Dragonborn Slayer using about 5 different sources).

So in an Edition that prides itself on testing, testing, and further testing, you'd THINK they would keep an eye on anything seriously broken? Right now there's like.....3 books plus the PHB and the game is tightly created that there's few instances that make something seem erroneous in a broken way.


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Originally posted by TomCosta


I've got a copy. The amount of pages devoted to previously released material (excluding UA test material) is relatively minimal - it includes a handful of SCAG subclasses and a few pages of Elemental Evil spells, so maybe 10 pages-ish. I thought the various tables were actually useful for a lot of folks to help flesh out their characters. Some of the DM section stuff was less interesting to me, but I could still see the utility (the encounter tables and magic item tables, for example). By far the best thing, and I know this has no game relevance, was Xanathar's commentary. Several made me laugh out loud. There is nearly no Realms lore and certainly none of note. Nevertheless, if you play 5E, it's solid expansion, lots of player options and lots of useful stuff for the DM.


That sounds really good. I'm glad it's only about 10 pages of previous released stuff. I think I'm most excited about the Cavalier sub-path of the Fighter. When I was converting my 4E characters to 5E, the UA Knight fit in exceptionally well with my long-standing Cleric/Fighter character (in addition to the Righteousness Domain from your Forgotten Characters of the Realms supplement!) and turns him into a sort of pseudo-Paladin. The 4E to 5E conversion guide really helps too.

4E Realms = Great Taste, Less Filling.

"If WotC were to put out a box of free money, people would still complain how it was folded."
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sleyvas
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Posted - 01 Dec 2017 :  13:40:05  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Just got my copy, and I'm noting some things right off the bat that I had not noted for 5e. The main one, at the very beginning, its talking about ten "standard" rules and it mentions an entry on bonus action spells. It specifically states that if you cast a spell as a bonus action, you can cannot also cast a spell as an action unless its a cantrip. This does somewhat nerf one of the nice abilities of the sorcerer in my mind. I may actually have to relook at some things I've written up as well. Not adverse to this ruling, BUT there should be some means to get an exception to it under x,y,z conditions... just like I've written some things where a player can gain the ability to multi-concentrate. Options should be available, but at a cost that you can't do something else.

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idilippy
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Posted - 01 Dec 2017 :  16:44:44  Show Profile Send idilippy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I like the book quite a bit now that I have it, though I think the “special” cover is not great, waited for the regular cover books to be available. The FR name on a generic book is a little annoying but the book itself is high quality in my opinion. I don’t know if there are enough options to lure those who love the character building mini game of 3.5e/PF away but it’s a nice set of additional options for 5e without making the game much more complicated.

On the other hand the multiple pages of name lists in the back feels tacked on and a waste of page count. It’s as if they had an idea for something that fell through so they had to scramble to make a page count goal. I’m not impressed with close to 10% of the page count being name lists in a $50 less than 200 page sourcebook.

Edited by - idilippy on 01 Dec 2017 16:48:19
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Shadowsoul
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Posted - 27 Dec 2017 :  21:44:30  Show Profile Send Shadowsoul a Private Message  Reply with Quote
In fairness, not liking the title goes along with discussing the book. I for one don't like the title because it's false advertising. I expected there to be information concerning Xanathar and his thieves guild, but unfortunately there was none. They are using various FR names to sell a book and nothing else. The is alright, but it's not all that. I've seen better, a lot better. I like the 5th edition rules but I can't stand their marketing strategy.

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BrennonGoldeye
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Posted - 29 Dec 2017 :  17:34:44  Show Profile Send BrennonGoldeye a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Welcome to yet another re-hash of things created decades ago. There will be no new lore because its useless in a world where everything changes based on the amount of $ that can be made. RIP Forgotten Realms. Ill see you when some player somewhere makes enough $ to buy you from the Ffolk who have owned you for a twenty years.
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Diffan
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Posted - 16 Jan 2018 :  13:20:30  Show Profile Send Diffan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by BrennonGoldeye

Welcome to yet another re-hash of things created decades ago. There will be no new lore because its useless in a world where everything changes based on the amount of $ that can be made. RIP Forgotten Realms. Ill see you when some player somewhere makes enough $ to buy you from the Ffolk who have owned you for a twenty years.



What was created decades ago? As for new lore, read any single adventure currently published by WotC, because they're ALL based in the Forgotten Realms. ALL of the content is new Lore, new Canon, new content.

And considering how publishers desperately grasp to their IP's, you'll likely never see the Realms the way you envision again. Hope you have your old material for your sake.

4E Realms = Great Taste, Less Filling.

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dazzlerdal
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Posted - 16 Jan 2018 :  14:36:50  Show Profile Send dazzlerdal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
There is "lore" in the new products??

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Diffan
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Posted - 16 Jan 2018 :  14:50:44  Show Profile Send Diffan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by dazzlerdal

There is "lore" in the new products??



Yeah, where have you been? In EVERY published adventure (Murder in Baldur's Gate, Legacy of the Crystal Shard, Dreams of the Red Wizards: Scourge of the Sword Coast, Hoard of the Dragon Queen, Rise of Tiamat, Curse of Strahd, Out of the Abyss, Storm Kings Thunder, and now Tomb of Annihilation) ALL have lore about the areas of the Forgotten Realms that the adventure takes place.

4E Realms = Great Taste, Less Filling.

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arry
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Posted - 17 Jan 2018 :  13:34:21  Show Profile Send arry a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Diffan
Hope you have your old material for your sake.



I do.
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Faraer
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Posted - 17 Jan 2018 :  19:01:50  Show Profile  Visit Faraer's Homepage Send Faraer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The Swashbuckler rogue archetype looks nice for Torm-like thieves. But why did they include our-world human names (easily found online) over Realms-style (not)?
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Diffan
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Posted - 17 Jan 2018 :  21:15:21  Show Profile Send Diffan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Faraer

The Swashbuckler rogue archetype looks nice for Torm-like thieves. But why did they include our-world human names (easily found online) over Realms-style (not)?



My guess? Because there's already a slew of Realmsian names in both Sword Coast Adventure Guide AND the PHB. Also, probably easier to get names of a larger variety in 1-4 pages instead of searching on-line. Also, not every one has instant access to the internet

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idilippy
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Posted - 21 Jan 2018 :  18:52:18  Show Profile Send idilippy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I still wonder if the names were an afterthought to fill page count either because something else fell through or they just needed filler to hit a certain book size. Having nearly 10% of a full price hardcover be what amounts to just purely useless filler is by far my least favorite thing about this book. It's the kind of thing to make me leery about the value of what is being offered when I consider getting future books.
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sleyvas
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Posted - 21 Jan 2018 :  19:30:44  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by idilippy

I still wonder if the names were an afterthought to fill page count either because something else fell through or they just needed filler to hit a certain book size. Having nearly 10% of a full price hardcover be what amounts to just purely useless filler is by far my least favorite thing about this book. It's the kind of thing to make me leery about the value of what is being offered when I consider getting future books.



Yeah, 18 pages of names is a bit much.... especially when every race entry they put sample names, etc..... I don't figure something fell through. I figure lazy.

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