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CylverSaber
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Posted - 13 Feb 2018 :  05:59:03  Show Profile  Visit CylverSaber's Homepage Send CylverSaber a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The Nerdist article gives a link that shows it is not only the cover, but is also being released as a promotional poster.
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CorellonsDevout
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Posted - 13 Feb 2018 :  06:25:31  Show Profile  Send CorellonsDevout an AOL message Send CorellonsDevout a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hmmm...lol Okay then. I agree with Wooly that it isn't great, but then again, fantasy covers sadly tend to be...um...not awesome. There are exceptions, but...yeah

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CylverSaber
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Posted - 13 Feb 2018 :  06:34:26  Show Profile  Visit CylverSaber's Homepage Send CylverSaber a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm curious who the artist is and whether this an "experimental" style or their usual thing.
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charger_ss24
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Posted - 13 Feb 2018 :  15:41:36  Show Profile Send charger_ss24 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

I cannot begin to say how much I can't stand that artwork. If I was browsing thru my local bookstore, saw that cover, and it was my first exposure to anything even peripherally D&D related -- I'd keep right on going, without a second glance.



I'm not a fan of it either (haven't been a fan of the recent artwork of any FR novels) but my step-son loves it. To each their own.
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Artemas Entreri
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Posted - 14 Feb 2018 :  12:51:38  Show Profile Send Artemas Entreri a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Fantasy artwork used to be amazing. Seems like no thought is put into the covers today.

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Petra_W
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Posted - 15 Feb 2018 :  22:56:14  Show Profile Send Petra_W a Private Message  Reply with Quote
For me nothing can beat the german cover of the second book of the 6 part series about drizzt in the underdark (we got 2 translated books for every original from salvatore)

https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1190756416i/1949696._UY630_SR1200,630_.jpg

A drow matriarch on the surface and an elephant xD

Sadly at this time I was too young to read the novels in english. And it was nearly impossible to get books from GB or US.
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CylverSaber
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Posted - 16 Feb 2018 :  16:13:55  Show Profile  Visit CylverSaber's Homepage Send CylverSaber a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I actually bought Tangled Webs when it first came out and did not remember the cover being this bad.

https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1312023616l/2173551.jpg
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Caolin
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Frankly I think I prefer those campy old school fantasy covers to some of the modern book covers.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 16 Feb 2018 :  19:24:43  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Petra_W

For me nothing can beat the german cover of the second book of the 6 part series about drizzt in the underdark (we got 2 translated books for every original from salvatore)

https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1190756416i/1949696._UY630_SR1200,630_.jpg

A drow matriarch on the surface and an elephant xD

Sadly at this time I was too young to read the novels in english. And it was nearly impossible to get books from GB or US.




That's reused artwork. It's from the Vale of the Mage module, which was set in Greyhawk.

TSR had a really, really bad tendency to reuse artwork.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 16 Feb 2018 :  19:30:03  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ElaineCunningham

quote:
Originally posted by Petra_W

For me nothing can beat the german cover of the second book of the 6 part series about drizzt in the underdark (we got 2 translated books for every original from salvatore)

https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1190756416i/1949696._UY630_SR1200,630_.jpg

A drow matriarch on the surface and an elephant xD

Sadly at this time I was too young to read the novels in english. And it was nearly impossible to get books from GB or US.




Wow. I thought the original cover of Tangled Webs, with an olive-skinned Liriel engaging in a spell battle (or perhaps rehearsing for a music video...) with an inexplicably busty illithid was the worst FR cover to date, but this one has it beat, hands down.



"Next up, the breakout video from new artists Liriel & Vestriss, with their debut song, 'Can't Get You Out of My Mind!'"

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BountyHunter
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Posted - 27 Feb 2018 :  22:23:37  Show Profile Send BountyHunter a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Excited to hear that new books are coming. I became reinterested in FR in time to find out the novels were stopping, so I was worried that I had jinxed it or something. #128516;
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Tanthalas
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Posted - 01 Mar 2018 :  19:47:22  Show Profile Send Tanthalas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
While I'm a sucker for happy endings, it's great to see a new Drizzt book is going to be released.

I hope this means that new Realms novels are on the way. I love Drizzt, but we need more stories.

Agree on the cover though, I really dislike it. I miss the covers by Todd Lockwood.

EDIT: Drizzt being traied by Kane seems odd, but I guess it's not completely out of nowhere. So he's like a Fighter/Barbarian/Ranger/Monk now, give him another century or two and he'll have more classes than Elminster.

Sir Markham pointed out, drinking another brandy. "A chap who can point at you and say 'die' has the distinct advantage".

Edited by - Tanthalas on 01 Mar 2018 19:50:24
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CorellonsDevout
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Posted - 01 Mar 2018 :  21:46:28  Show Profile  Send CorellonsDevout an AOL message Send CorellonsDevout a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Tanthalas

While I'm a sucker for happy endings, it's great to see a new Drizzt book is going to be released.

I hope this means that new Realms novels are on the way. I love Drizzt, but we need more stories.




Yay, someone else who likes happy endings lol. I was pretty content with the ending of Hero, and part of my fear of a new trilogy is it the end isn't going to be as happy LOL. But, by the same token, I do have some unanswered questions, and while I think they could be answered in a short story, if it takes a new trilogy to answer them, fine.

I also hope this means more Realms novels to come. So far, it's only Salvatore, but I hope that changes.

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Thoth
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Posted - 02 Mar 2018 :  15:33:16  Show Profile Send Thoth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, honestly any news is good news on the novel front.

I think we are all looking forward to ANY new novels.

I am so so on this one, but I know I'll pick it up like most of you will!

;)

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John Daker
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Posted - 06 Mar 2018 :  21:46:26  Show Profile Send John Daker a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Short video interview with Salvatore about the new series:
http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/eccc-2018-r-a-salvatore-goes-behind-the-scenes-on-his-new-drizzt-trilogy
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Lamora
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Posted - 06 Mar 2018 :  22:30:14  Show Profile Send Lamora a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hmm... That interview definitely suggests that Salvatore will be the only books we will be receiving in the Realms unless this trilogy sells way more than Harper Collins expects and feels that more Realms books will be worth it.
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Tanthalas
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Posted - 06 Mar 2018 :  22:41:32  Show Profile Send Tanthalas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yeah that interview really makes it sound like it was RAS' initiative to find a new publisher, and that this isn't a new strategy of WotC.

Well, I still hope this leads to more FR books.

Sir Markham pointed out, drinking another brandy. "A chap who can point at you and say 'die' has the distinct advantage".
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Gyor
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Posted - 13 Apr 2018 :  14:30:11  Show Profile Send Gyor a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Tanthalas

Yeah that interview really makes it sound like it was RAS' initiative to find a new publisher, and that this isn't a new strategy of WotC.

Well, I still hope this leads to more FR books.



Still the door has been opened and Salvatore novels sell the best, but they aren't the only ones that sell well, now that the door has been opened and the method understood, there is no reason other authors can't do what Salvatore did, especially Kemp and Erin M. Evans.
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Markustay
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Posted - 13 Apr 2018 :  14:54:11  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
*Meh*

Drizzt is so '2005'

Now its all about super-Drizzit - a four-armed drow half-demon who quadrupel-wields 6' Greatswords (each attuned to a different energy-type).

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 13 Apr 2018 :  18:53:45  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gyor

quote:
Originally posted by Tanthalas

Yeah that interview really makes it sound like it was RAS' initiative to find a new publisher, and that this isn't a new strategy of WotC.

Well, I still hope this leads to more FR books.



Still the door has been opened and Salvatore novels sell the best, but they aren't the only ones that sell well, now that the door has been opened and the method understood, there is no reason other authors can't do what Salvatore did, especially Kemp and Erin M. Evans.



Except for the fact that WotC still has to agree to it, since they own the characters and the IP.

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John Daker
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Posted - 13 Apr 2018 :  20:05:41  Show Profile Send John Daker a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Except for the fact that WotC still has to agree to it, since they own the characters and the IP.



But no one at WotC ever (publicly) said they didn't want more novels, only that they didn't want to be the ones publishing them. And now they're not the publisher, HarperCollins is. So why would WotC veto a compelling pitch for a novel from an established and talented author?

I can think of two reasons why they might say no:

1) They have stated many times that the slow publishing pace for 5e (three RPG books a year, though maybe four in 2018) is absolutely deliberate. It is a result of their (probably correct) belief that many potential players were turned off by the huge number of supplements for previous editions. They might want to keep new D&D-branded novels to a similarly slow pace, for the same reasons. This might be why it appears that Timeless might be published without any D&D or FR branding on the cover.

2) Like any custodians of a valuable brand, their top priority is "don't damage the brand." It's possible they want to keep the game as PG as possible -- or as PC as possible. And some of the existing Realms novels are neither.

These are both wrongheaded, and I hope they don't represent WotC's actual thinking about the matter. But it's certainly possible.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 13 Apr 2018 :  20:19:28  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by John Daker

quote:
Except for the fact that WotC still has to agree to it, since they own the characters and the IP.



But no one at WotC ever (publicly) said they didn't want more novels, only that they didn't want to be the ones publishing them. And now they're not the publisher, HarperCollins is. So why would WotC veto a compelling pitch for a novel from an established and talented author?

I can think of two reasons why they might say no:

1) They have stated many times that the slow publishing pace for 5e (three RPG books a year, though maybe four in 2018) is absolutely deliberate. It is a result of their (probably correct) belief that many potential players were turned off by the huge number of supplements for previous editions. They might want to keep new D&D-branded novels to a similarly slow pace, for the same reasons. This might be why it appears that Timeless might be published without any D&D or FR branding on the cover.

2) Like any custodians of a valuable brand, their top priority is "don't damage the brand." It's possible they want to keep the game as PG as possible -- or as PC as possible. And some of the existing Realms novels are neither.

These are both wrongheaded, and I hope they don't represent WotC's actual thinking about the matter. But it's certainly possible.



I'll answer your question with another: Why would WotC decide to get out of the more profitable business of novels to focus exclusively on game material?

The business decisions of WotC are oft unfathomable.

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John Daker
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Posted - 13 Apr 2018 :  21:28:52  Show Profile Send John Daker a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:

The business decisions of WotC are oft unfathomable.



Well, I won't argue with that part. But this part:

quote:

the more profitable business of novels



is no longer accurate, though of course it once was so. Commercially, fifth edition D&D is a mega-success. The sales figures are unprecedented.
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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by John Daker

quote:

The business decisions of WotC are oft unfathomable.



Well, I won't argue with that part. But this part:

quote:

the more profitable business of novels



is no longer accurate, though of course it once was so. Commercially, fifth edition D&D is a mega-success. The sales figures are unprecedented.



Perhaps so, but from what I understand, it costs less to bring a novel to market and thus there was a considerably higher profit margin on novels. But the company had some fundamental opposition to being a company that published novels, so even though it made more money for them, they got out of it.

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Mirtek
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by John Daker

quote:

The business decisions of WotC are oft unfathomable.



Well, I won't argue with that part. But this part:

quote:

the more profitable business of novels



is no longer accurate, though of course it once was so. Commercially, fifth edition D&D is a mega-success. The sales figures are unprecedented.



Perhaps so, but from what I understand, it costs less to bring a novel to market and thus there was a considerably higher profit margin on novels. But the company had some fundamental opposition to being a company that published novels, so even though it made more money for them, they got out of it.

The question is whether the FR novels in particular were actually more profitable, not just novels in general.

For what it's worth someone once tried some analysis of Amazon sales ranks on one of the Brimstone novels and concluded that it sold less than 1 book a day on amazon.

Seems like in the end the only FR novels really selling significant numbers were Drizzt's
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