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sleyvas
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Posted - 27 Sep 2017 :  00:48:39  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Ayrik

Are 4E-style warlock pacts based on Weave magic? Pacts with fiends or fey or elementals or whatever, creatures (and magical powers) from somewhere beyond the Realms. Do they need to involve Mystra or the Weave at all?



I would say that no they aren't, and that would be purely because as much as I like Mystra... I'd like to limit her... AND I'd like the power sources for warlocks to not be Toril based.

That being said, we don't have stories of warlocks being NOT affected during the wailing years, and I would have thought that would have come up if it were the case. Playing devil's advocate to THAT though, one might say that the weave and connections to other planes being in disarray caused some kind of "interference" across many "spectrums" of energy flowing to Toril.

Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

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Ayrik
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Posted - 27 Sep 2017 :  01:00:55  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Isn't that the premise of 4E's Spellplague? That Mystra's power (along with the Weave) was not localized to the Realms, her death disrupted magic (the Weave) across the entire cosmos?

Working under that model, since warlocks and the things they make pacts with all live somewhere within the entire cosmos, they should be affected.

Yet, paradoxically, the same edition also invented Abeir and Primordials, along with limits to deities (including Mystra) in affecting them. As if Abeir is not simply another sphere or plane or dimension, but a place entirely separate from the "entire" cosmos. And as if Ao has enough power to impose such a thing within/apart of the cosmos, yet lacks enough power to temporarily assert stability onto the unconstrained Weave (even on only just a few select worlds, if the entire cosmic-spanning Weave would be too much).

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Fineva
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Posted - 22 Oct 2018 :  04:39:31  Show Profile Send Fineva a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by sleyvas

quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik

Should access to some portion of Mystra's godlike experience, knowledge, or memories be granted to her Chosen as needed? She might always communicate this knowledge through visions and other interactions ... but why not simply "grant" it (implant it within their minds) directly, as one of their "special gifts"?



I like this idea. It fits the concept and isn't necessarily overwhelming. So maybe a bonus to any knowledge skill rolls with the bonus getting smaller the farther back in history one goes? Like +3 for anything in the past two centuries, +2 between two centuries and past millennia, +1 between last millennia and the preceding 5 millennia. Beyond that, instead of a bonus, the DM comes up with flashes of imagery that he just says to the player, and if that gives them help, great.



I truly am stealing this for a Exarch of Ilsenstaad concept, it's from a module where if you help the ghostly 2nd son of Obadai you get a stone cunning trait! (Yoink) Nice less powerful definition of a Chosen/Exarch

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Archmage of Nowhere
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Posted - 22 Oct 2018 :  14:38:09  Show Profile Send Archmage of Nowhere a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Kind of late to this admittedly, but I find the topic pretty interesting so ill give a crack at the topic. For me and the games that I run I actually let the chosen keep the basic abilities of wizards from every older edition. For example the ability in 2E to reverse spells and their effect I always found fascinating, or historically in lore how spells beyond 9th were allowed by the limits of magic. To me Mystra's chosen should be window and a bridge between the more ancient ways of magic and the current brand of common sense practitioners follow. So its I guess a timeless quality to their casting, not restricted by todays "rules" of magic.

I really enjoy the moments where they do something that would have been mundane in a different age to the wonder of new players.
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Posted - 22 Oct 2018 :  22:28:23  Show Profile  Send The Masked Mage an AOL message  Click to see The Masked Mage's MSN Messenger address Send The Masked Mage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The first thing I would do in 5th Edition is have the new/old Mystra res. her lost Chosen. She's done it with Elminster numerous times - so why not the others? Restored life, and vitality and strength (to counter the whole "I'm so tired" bit from the Simbul)... call it a rebirth if you want. To mirror Mystra's.

After that, I see no reason to change the powers described in detail from the Seven Sisters book.

The only possible changes I would make is maybe given them each an individual power - Mystra given - specific to each Chosen and something they will need in the future (remember Mystra is also the goddess of time travel, so it makes sense she sees the future). Kind of like the movie The Paycheck, where Ben Affleck gives himself little tiny objects that he saw he would need in the future.
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sleyvas
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Posted - 23 Oct 2018 :  13:46:30  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Fineva

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Originally posted by sleyvas

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Originally posted by Ayrik

Should access to some portion of Mystra's godlike experience, knowledge, or memories be granted to her Chosen as needed? She might always communicate this knowledge through visions and other interactions ... but why not simply "grant" it (implant it within their minds) directly, as one of their "special gifts"?



I like this idea. It fits the concept and isn't necessarily overwhelming. So maybe a bonus to any knowledge skill rolls with the bonus getting smaller the farther back in history one goes? Like +3 for anything in the past two centuries, +2 between two centuries and past millennia, +1 between last millennia and the preceding 5 millennia. Beyond that, instead of a bonus, the DM comes up with flashes of imagery that he just says to the player, and if that gives them help, great.



I truly am stealing this for a Exarch of Ilsenstaad concept, it's from a module where if you help the ghostly 2nd son of Obadai you get a stone cunning trait! (Yoink) Nice less powerful definition of a Chosen/Exarch



Ilsensine maybe? Yeah, I could definitely see this as an ability for illithid followers of said god.

Alavairthae, may your skill prevail

Phillip aka Sleyvas
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