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sleyvas
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Posted - 04 Nov 2020 :  15:46:39  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Irennan

Only Bwimb and Moander were (still are, in the case of Moander, I guess) his allies. The rest are listed under foes.



Not in my copy, as the aforementioned list is a cut and paste.. That being said, I'm looking at a PDF, and my real books I don't see on the shelf (so they must be packed away OR they got stolen/lost). Worryingly I don't see F&A, P&P, demihuman deities, or monster mythology on my shelf, so I hope they're in a box.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 04 Nov 2020 :  16:20:03  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

quote:
Originally posted by Irennan

Only Bwimb and Moander were (still are, in the case of Moander, I guess) his allies. The rest are listed under foes.



Not in my copy, as the aforementioned list is a cut and paste.. That being said, I'm looking at a PDF, and my real books I don't see on the shelf (so they must be packed away OR they got stolen/lost). Worryingly I don't see F&A, P&P, demihuman deities, or monster mythology on my shelf, so I hope they're in a box.



Odd. I just checked my copy, and it does indeed differentiate between Allies and Foes... But I can't copy/paste from it. My pdf is a scan I got from Paizo in 2005, when the WotC/TSR pdfs were available through them (and before all pdfs were yanked in response to 4E books being pirated), and it is most definitely not OCR'ed.

Still irked about WotC doing that. Now, if I want to get a better copy of that pdf, I've got to purchase it again -- even though I already purchased it once.

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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 04 Nov 2020 16:30:01
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AJA
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Posted - 04 Nov 2020 :  21:49:22  Show Profile Send AJA a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas
quote:
Originally posted by Irennan
Only Bwimb and Moander were (still are, in the case of Moander, I guess) his allies. The rest are listed under foes.

Not in my copy, as the aforementioned list is a cut and paste.. That being said, I'm looking at a PDF, and my real books I don't see on the shelf (so they must be packed away OR they got stolen/lost). Worryingly I don't see F&A, P&P, demihuman deities, or monster mythology on my shelf, so I hope they're in a box.

Odd. I just checked my copy, and it does indeed differentiate between Allies and Foes... But I can't copy/paste from it. My pdf is a scan I got from Paizo in 2005, when the WotC/TSR pdfs were available through them (and before all pdfs were yanked in response to 4E books being pirated), and it is most definitely not OCR'ed.

Still irked about WotC doing that. Now, if I want to get a better copy of that pdf, I've got to purchase it again -- even though I already purchased it once.

Yeah, Irennan and Wooly are correct. Here's a snapshot from my print 1998 copy of Demihuman Deities.


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Edited by - AJA on 04 Nov 2020 21:51:52
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Tigon
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Posted - 04 Nov 2020 :  23:31:49  Show Profile Send Tigon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
HAHA! The game is afoot once again!!!
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PattPlays
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Posted - 05 Nov 2020 :  02:53:21  Show Profile  Visit PattPlays's Homepage Send PattPlays a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I almost got super sidelined thinking about how Gargauth would be an ally, but yeah it's definitely a formatting issue that got sleyvas caught up.

SO YEAH? Gargauth as an enemy of the Eye is EXTREMELY random! I couldn't find an explanation of it anywhere, and The Drow of the Underdark (if that is the only entry of the term) gives still no backstory for Gormauth Souldrinker! I gotta say it certainly sounds like a title a Fiend in the Hells would have.. can you imagine? Ghaunadaur, somehow stealing a title from this odd-one-out archdevil. Gargauth loses access to some obscure source of power. Gargauth gets booted out of the Hells. Ghaunadaur gains power. Seriously WHAT is the relationship between these two- it seems completely unexplained! Other than cults v cults and demons v devils..

....I will have to dive back into Cloak and Dagger because I don't recall.. Has published content ever listed the date when Gargauth was removed from his position in the Hells? Can you imagine if it lined up with an obscure power grab by the Eye?

..also with the formatting controversy out of the way..
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If Gargauth is tied in with Clan Hune (which I believe is responsible for the Calimshan Crystal and the Living Gem Wars and all of that nonsense due to their hidden temple to Ghaunadaur in the region which was then raided by a certain wizard ages later) then I am even more fascinated with Gargauth's relationship to Ghaunadaur...

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