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Barastir
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 16 Nov 2012 :  13:56:41  Show Profile  Click to see Barastir's MSN Messenger address Send Barastir a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas
The assumption there would be that all elves (except the drow, who can't wield the weapon anyway) have goodness in their heart. I understand that rituals of solitude are basically the equivalent of variously leveled spells, but the one thing that the high mages (of current age) would always want to be careful of is not making something out of hubris that in a twist of magic could be made to work differently. Therefore, since rituals of solitude basically just do things that spells do, then why would they consider opening that doorway even a crack?

I don't know, but it seemed to be the idea of the game designers when they first developed the sword. And let's remember about the risk in casting High Magic - and in using other abilities of the sword, like the Vorpal function. After all, only the Queen of Evermeet, who is already a High Mage, can use the powers without risk. Besides, I was aware of the mistake on automatically associating elves and good alignment, but this is a misjudgement I see the elves comitting.

"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."

The Paladin's Virtues, excerpt from the "Quentin's Monograph"
(by Ed Greenwood)

Edited by - Barastir on 16 Nov 2012 15:15:55
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Barastir
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Posted - 20 Nov 2012 :  14:36:44  Show Profile  Click to see Barastir's MSN Messenger address Send Barastir a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thinking a bit more about this blade's power, maybe the wielder could even participate in Rituals of Complement or Myriad. Of course, participating would involve having the cooperation of other High Mages... And I wonder if the benefit of casting High magic without ill effects would work only for the Queen (or the King, or the Royal House), or if it would extend to any true High Mage, combining the Selutaar and the sword's power. However, I think the limitation to the Royal House (or maybe both - High Mages of the royal bloodline) would be the best, since there is precedence in the Cormanthyr sourcebook.

"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."

The Paladin's Virtues, excerpt from the "Quentin's Monograph"
(by Ed Greenwood)

Edited by - Barastir on 02 Sep 2019 11:41:38
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Barastir
Master of Realmslore

Brazil
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Posted - 02 Sep 2019 :  11:45:15  Show Profile  Click to see Barastir's MSN Messenger address Send Barastir a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Just remembering this post, about one of the three great treasures of Evermeet. I wonder why the sword and the other treasures - along with Amlaruil's chariot - haven't been mentioned in later products/editions... Maybe because they were too powerful?

"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."

The Paladin's Virtues, excerpt from the "Quentin's Monograph"
(by Ed Greenwood)
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ericlboyd
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Posted - 02 Sep 2019 :  11:51:42  Show Profile  Visit ericlboyd's Homepage Send ericlboyd a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I thought BABs stacked? A +8 sword is just like swinging a dwarf fighter 8 at a monster. What else do you use dwarves for?

:-)

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_Jarlaxle_
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Posted - 02 Sep 2019 :  12:36:50  Show Profile Send _Jarlaxle_ a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ericlboyd

I thought BABs stacked? A +8 sword is just like swinging a dwarf fighter 8 at a monster. What else do you use dwarves for?

:-)



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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 02 Sep 2019 :  15:05:15  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ericlboyd

I thought BABs stacked? A +8 sword is just like swinging a dwarf fighter 8 at a monster. What else do you use dwarves for?

:-)



Dwarves are good for three things:

1) Making alcohol
2) Making metal goodies, such as weapons and armor
3) Making surprisingly tasty nachos for parties and watching sporting events. It's widely believed that this is a side-effect of the Thunder Blessing. However, though dwarves can handle it with ease, do not under any circumstances try their "Surtur's Breath" salsa -- it can only be served in adamantium serving dishes and has been known to dissolve ferrous metals quicker than a swarm of rust monsters.

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TBeholder
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Posted - 02 Sep 2019 :  16:27:50  Show Profile Send TBeholder a Private Message  Reply with Quote

quote:
Originally posted by Barastir

Thinking a bit more about this blade's power, maybe the wielder could even participate in Rituals of Complement or Myriad.

Indeed, the point of this power seems to be having an extra caster for rituals.
Also, practically this means an embedded selu'kiira, with "uploaded" mind of a High Mage - i.e. even beyond basic security measures, unlike a wand (or ring of wishes) it's not servile, and may be far less agreeable than "common" sort of intelligent weapons. From the description of The Rulers' Blade of Cormanthyr:
quote:
Cormanthyr:
Core Power: Thanks to the two selu'kiira bonded to the ends of the quillons (black gems) and a single one on the
tang button of the pommel (a red gem), the wielder becomes Coronal and holds the power and knowledge of three
High Mages (in addition to any abilities of his own). This allows him to conduct Rituals of Solitude or Complement
entirely on his own, and all known rituals are at the Coronal's disposal through the knowledge of the selu'kiira.



quote:
Originally posted by Barastir

Just remembering this post, about one of the three great treasures of Evermeet. I wonder why the sword and the other treasures - along with Amlaruil's chariot - haven't been mentioned in later products/editions...
Which products? Also, what for? It's not like the Queen will lend it to some adventurer on a rat-stomping quest.

People never wonder How the world goes round -Helloween
And even I make no pretense Of having more than common sense -R.W.Wood
It's not good, Eric. It's a gazebo. -Ed Whitchurch
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 02 Sep 2019 :  17:10:13  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TBeholder


quote:
Originally posted by Barastir

Just remembering this post, about one of the three great treasures of Evermeet. I wonder why the sword and the other treasures - along with Amlaruil's chariot - haven't been mentioned in later products/editions...
Which products? Also, what for? It's not like the Queen will lend it to some adventurer on a rat-stomping quest.



There is a heck of a lot of stuff that appears in one edition and never again... Especially with 2E stuff, since that volume of Realmslore hasn't been matched since. I'd go as far as saying that ALL the Realmslore we've gotten since 2E doesn't equal the amount received in 2E.

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Barastir
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Posted - 02 Sep 2019 :  19:17:16  Show Profile  Click to see Barastir's MSN Messenger address Send Barastir a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TBeholder
(...)
Also, practically this means an embedded selu'kiira, with "uploaded" mind of a High Mage -
(...)


The sourcebook doesn't imply it. In fact, selu'kiira lore was introduced later, and I think the very concept was created afterwards.

As for later edition or products, some items of the book were later mentioned, like the sword Morvian and the moonblades, for example.

EDIT: But my question was more or less answered by Wooly. It probably was not rewritten or mentioned because of a lack of detail on Evermeet and Amlaruil in later editions. And that's what I wonder about. I know Amlaruil would not lend it to adventurers, but a novel or product could explore the sword's use on defense of the People (Evermeet's invasion, anyone?), or an occasional loss or stealing of the blade (imagine it on the hands of the Eldreth Veluuthra, for example).

"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."

The Paladin's Virtues, excerpt from the "Quentin's Monograph"
(by Ed Greenwood)

Edited by - Barastir on 02 Sep 2019 19:23:22
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LordofBones
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Posted - 03 Sep 2019 :  01:00:40  Show Profile Send LordofBones a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by ericlboyd

I thought BABs stacked? A +8 sword is just like swinging a dwarf fighter 8 at a monster. What else do you use dwarves for?

:-)



Dwarves are good for three things:

1) Making alcohol
2) Making metal goodies, such as weapons and armor
3) Making surprisingly tasty nachos for parties and watching sporting events. It's widely believed that this is a side-effect of the Thunder Blessing. However, though dwarves can handle it with ease, do not under any circumstances try their "Surtur's Breath" salsa -- it can only be served in adamantium serving dishes and has been known to dissolve ferrous metals quicker than a swarm of rust monsters.



This Orc bookseller from Oblivion sympathizes with non-conformist dwarves:

"I am SICK of Orcs coming in here and giving me the business. 'Ooh. Bugak got a book store. Ooh. Bugak's a sissy scroll-scribbler!'"
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The Masked Mage
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Posted - 05 Sep 2019 :  02:37:58  Show Profile  Send The Masked Mage an AOL message  Click to see The Masked Mage's MSN Messenger address Send The Masked Mage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik

Not only +8, but also Save-vs-Death any N'Tel'Quessir it touches.



That is backwards. Its not any non elf it touches, its any non elf that touches it. Its like the blade rite tests from the Cormanthyr set. Only elves can wield it, is the idea. Anyone else who tries is dead. Just like moonblades... usually.
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