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Gary Dallison
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Posted - 12 Sep 2019 :  08:51:00  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So heimdal could be guardian of home and the dalheim becomes home of guardians.

I think I will use petrified warriors on llorgh, and then use the memory morphed rocks for other islands in norheim and for gnarhelm and Oman where there are Galeb duhr like creatures.

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Gary Dallison
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Posted - 12 Sep 2019 :  13:34:21  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Adding in tristans chain shirt, seems sensible to be mithril, its light and strong and gleaming like silver, and it keeps him alive against blows from dinosaurs, giants, and even a God. Not sure whether to make it enchanted though, not everything has to be enchanted.

Daryths scimitar is magic, might make it a shoon weapon, minor enchantment to make it sharper and glow in the dark.

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ElfBane
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Posted - 12 Sep 2019 :  20:04:38  Show Profile Send ElfBane a Private Message  Reply with Quote
A couple of questions, Gary, about your ultimate goal.

1. Will this Moonshaes lore project eventually be a GHotR-like publication similar to the Maztica project stuff that has been published at the DMs Guild?

2. I believe you published a dynastic record regarding the Moonshaes High-Kings. Will you publish a dynastic record of the Gwynneth/Corwell sub-Kings? Will it be included in the Moonshaes lore project I asked about above? And, do you have enough canon lore to attempt to compile a Gwynneth/Corwell dynastic record?

3. And, to sneak in a third question, when might this be published?

Thank you.
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Gary Dallison
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Posted - 12 Sep 2019 :  20:40:59  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I cant say i'm terribly enamoured with the DMs Guild, too much water in the swamp to get noticed. I also dislike having to update and release new versions of pdfs and make them available everywhere.

So instead i opted to go for a wiki style webpage (the link is in my sig) that i can build step by step and amend as i see fit without having to update and release the material.

Ultimately i'm hoping to detail the Moonshae Isles as much as i can using all the canon lore available but repurposing and twisting bits of it to remove the really horrible bits (everything 4e and later) and also to allow DMs and players to take part in the Kazgoroth events rather than just read about them in a novel (i really hate that novels removed playing opportunities, by the end of the two trilogies there was no reason to ever visit the Moonshae Isles).

I plan to have a detailed wiki of every place and person and item and organisation in the Moonshae Isles and then have an adventure path of sorts (not even started that bit) that allows the players to stop Kazgoroth's return.

I'm only intending to do this on the wordpress website i'm afraid and there is no intended finishing date, its a labour of love at this point, if i get fed up i will move onto another area (i intend to cover everywhere in the realms if i live long enough) and come back as the whims take me.

I've got the Hugh Dynasty from GHoTR which i'm adding a bit of detail to as i go through events. I did at one point detail all the dynasties of Corwell, Moray, Oman, and Snowdown as part of an earlier version but i've decided i'm not entirely happy with those and will only be using pieces. Ultimately the dynasties of Corwell and the other islands is not terribly important and i have only provided detail on a few that allowed me to detail the area further.

If you want to see what i've got then here is the link https://alternaterealmsblog.wordpress.com/

I will add pictures and pretty it up when i've finished, but thats more of an if than a when.

If you have any comments (even something as minor as spelling mistakes or poor sentence structure) then you can post them here or on the site (i think i have comments enabled)

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Gary Dallison
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Posted - 15 Sep 2019 :  21:24:00  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Added in my take on ley lines and crossroads, trying to incorporate menhir, trilithons, and dolmen into different ways to affect ley lines and crossroads and why they arent well known outside of the Moonshae Isles and Rashemen (basically what is it about urbanisation and civilisation that removes ley lines).



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Gary Dallison
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Posted - 17 Sep 2019 :  07:58:55  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Darkwell details added, now onto a past approximation of the details on prophet of moonshae.

First up are the blackstones. I get the feeling that they have been talos worshippers for a long time. I'm decided on talos being a northmen God (netheril was jonah and calkmshan was bhaelros and talos fits with the bleak northmen ideology as well as his look being northmen ish)

Cults aren't really a northmen thing, they just follow the advice of their skalds who represent all the gods of the northmen and provide predictions and other services to those nearby.

The illuskans of gnarhelm however are from stornanter and so are perfect for evil cults. Angus Blackstone is a big man and his hearth has a huge double bladed axe above it (a northmen weapon) so perhaps he is of illuskan heritage.

Aeroth Silverhelm was from silverymoon and established vlan after the illuskans took gnarhelm, perhaps the blackstones could be illuskans from vlan that helped secure the Blackstone pass and were rewarded with an earldom.

I could even have coss-axell-sinioth provide the means (money) for the blackstones to secure the pass from gnarhelm and thus cement the worship of talos among the earls of Blackstone. For instance providing a bag of 100 black Pearls with which moray mercenaries were bought and used to fight. In return the earl makes a shrine beneath Blackstone manor and inducts his son and does a bit of sacrificing and we have a cult cell that's lasts a century or more.

I need to pepper in similar events throughout the other ffolk kingdoms where a wealthy benefactor provides patronage in return for some low level evil doing. The coss-axell-sinioth has cultists all over the islands taking part in his ritual that focuses a part of the eternal maelstrom on the moonshae isles.

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Barastir
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Posted - 17 Sep 2019 :  14:06:55  Show Profile  Click to see Barastir's MSN Messenger address Send Barastir a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gary Dallison
(...) I'm decided on talos being a northmen God (...)


Since in the original novels he is one of the interloper deities which is trying to establish himself in the islands, and Tempus has a "stormy aspect" among the northmen, I decided to explore a rivalry between them - or their clergy - in my campaign. Not exactly what you intend to do, but maybe you can get something out of it. Maybe they wrestle for worshipers, just like Malar gets some followers away from Tempus among the northmen, mostly the more savage berserkers.

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Gary Dallison
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Posted - 17 Sep 2019 :  14:41:59  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I will have a think about it, you do pose an interesting point in that the worship of talos already exists among northmen so why would coss-axell-sinioth import a similar cult from the mainland.

I think for me the answer is that the northmen are not very religious, they are pragmatic about it and offer veneration only when requires (its stormy, sacrifice a goat to talas). Otherwise I think the northmen ignore their gods (the worship of tempos declined considerably among the northmen in the past few centuries according to ed).
I reckon the skalds are the only ones preserving the worship of the gods and they are doing so to keep a place in society for themselves, they don't care which God people venerate, they offer that divine link for people to any God (and accept sacrifices on their behalf).

I think the goal of interloper cults is to establish themselves among the more organised and therefore susceptible societies of the ffolk and the illuskans of gnarhelm.

There is enough mentions in canon to suppose that cults have been making inroads into the islands for a few centuries (malar in prayers from the faithful, bane twice in halls of the high king, bhaal in halls of the high king, talos in prophet of moonshae) but there is no widespread presence so I think it is still relatively virgin territory, the cults just need to remove the monopoly that the druids and the earthmother have in ffolk culture (hence the campaign to eliminate them).

No direct divine intervention for me though, that's strictly disallowed.

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Gary Dallison
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Posted - 18 Sep 2019 :  22:19:13  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Noted that lavish was from snowdown but the one island she is not mentioned as visiting is snowdown. I could perhaps manufacture a plot hook out of that later.

Also noted the Blackstone castle has a green dragon head mounted on its wall and the cult of the dragon has three fairly young green dragons that are siblings (not yet turned I believe). Perhaps one of the Earl's of Blackstone killed their parent

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Gary Dallison
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Posted - 19 Sep 2019 :  12:00:33  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Picking up on the talisman that Coss-Axell-Sinioth affixed to the ship that reflect magic back at the caster.

I noted that the talisman had the triple forked lightning bolt on it, and that same symbol is found in the sahuagin of kressilacc.

Giving it a bit of history i figured it arrived with the illuskan invasion of gnarhelm and thus might have had history in stornanter. Given its primary power is to reflect magic i figure it might have been crafted with the purpose of being used against Laeral, perhaps during the coup to kill her (the one which killed Marek). Perhaps the coup was discovered early before the talisman was ready and so they had to implement it early (resulting in its failure).

Then, in keeping with burials in Gnarhelm, it was buried at sea with an important noble at some point later where it came to be picked up by the sahuagin of Kressilacc who worshipped it as a symbol of a powerful god of storms.

I also decided to give it the power to call down a lightning strike and make the user immune to lightnings, i'm going to call this item the Eye of the Storm

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Wooly Rupert
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I've never liked the name Coss-Axell-Sinioth. Sounds too much like one of those real-world noble houses that was formed by the marriage of other noble houses.

I don't like having even a single hyphen in a name, much less multiple ones.

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Gary Dallison
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Well I share a similar dislike unless there is a cultural reason for it (like I use in unther). So I decided to make coss-axell-sinioth a merged being a bit like a sharn, each of those names are fragments of the names of the original beings. There was no indication to do as such in canon but there is so little written about him and he is killed off so I figure I have free reign.

I thought the squid form was significant and his other form as an amorphous blob with pseudo pod limbs gave me the idea of something sharn like. I was originally going to make one of his parts be batrachi but couldn't find a satisfactory link to why he would want to destroy the ffolk. Then I moved onto elves and linked him to an idea i have regarding the llewyrr flight from illefarn, so coss-axell-sinioth are elven names and he wants to destroy the moonshae isles and everything on them because he is bound to that location.

It's still work in progress, but hopefully it's more interesting and grounded than the current unknown squid guy

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Gary Dallison
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Posted - 19 Sep 2019 :  20:47:02  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Tried to come up with sahuagin approximations for the surface deities that are worshipped there.

Koraxis the Ravening Maw (Bhaal), Ssassatal the Forked (Talos), Nutasslin the Briny Waste (Auril), Ragarmax the Seawolf (Malar).

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George Krashos
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Posted - 19 Sep 2019 :  23:29:23  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gary Dallison

Tried to come up with sahuagin approximations for the surface deities that are worshipped there.

Koraxis the Ravening Maw (Bhaal), Ssassatal the Forked (Talos), Nutasslin the Briny Waste (Auril), Ragarmax the Seawolf (Malar).



I think these are very cool. I am a huge fan of various deities being worshipped around the Realms via different names. Good stuff.

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George Krashos
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quote:
Originally posted by Gary Dallison

Tried to come up with sahuagin approximations for the surface deities that are worshipped there.

Koraxis the Ravening Maw (Bhaal), Ssassatal the Forked (Talos), Nutasslin the Briny Waste (Auril), Ragarmax the Seawolf (Malar).



I think these are very cool.I am a huge fan of various deities being worshipped around the Realms via different names. Good stuff.

-- George Krashos

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Gary Dallison
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Posted - 20 Sep 2019 :  08:30:34  Show Profile Send Gary Dallison a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Cheers George, I might change ssassatal to be the black squall rather than the forked. For me the gods are unrelated to mainland ones because there can be no direct communication between worshipper and deity, but that's just me.

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