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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 05 Aug 2004 :  20:45:43  Show Profile  Visit DDH_101's Homepage  Click to see DDH_101's MSN Messenger address Send DDH_101 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Panador

Sorry, don't know about this:

Why is Bane alive again? He died during the ToT and Ao didn't resurrect him like he did with Torm, Bane was dead and stayed dead - so why's he back again?

I already know that he's alive again, ie from Rage - A Year of Dragons, where Banites besiege this little town... Elmwood or so but I didn't read why or how he Bane came back.



Bane's resurrection wasn't in any novels which was why you haven't read about it. Like Sirius said, the details about it is right inside FRCS.

Basically, Iyachtu Xvim was in reality a seed of Bane that Lord of Strife used to gather power again and in order for him to return to the Realms.

"Trust in the shadows, for the bright way makes you an easy target." -Mask
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Beowulf
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Posted - 06 Aug 2004 :  18:42:50  Show Profile  Visit Beowulf's Homepage Send Beowulf a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well met!

A question; in my homebrew timeline I have suicidal assassins and terror squads riding out from Zhentil Keep to remind the region of Banes return.

I don't think this is my own stuff and was wondering if anyone knows where it came from?

"Ill tempered the wretch, who laughs at everyone. He cannot recognize, as he should, that he is not without faults." the High One, Poetic Edda
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Jeff_K
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Posted - 19 Oct 2004 :  22:16:55  Show Profile  Visit Jeff_K's Homepage Send Jeff_K a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It seems like kind of a letdown that Bane was resurrected, since Finder went through so much trouble to keep him dead...
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Shadovar
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Posted - 04 Apr 2005 :  03:25:28  Show Profile  Visit Shadovar's Homepage Send Shadovar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Even if bane is running amok in Faerun, but as a shade, I will not see another foul avatar or whatever running here and there. I will personally execute any servants of Bane or maybe take the god himslef in a one on one combat. never mind if I die in the process, afterall I have the power of the Shadow Weave with me.

We have fostered trust, recruited loyalty, and gathered the faithful. We have trained thousands. Our legions can cover the land, fill the sky and travel through the darkness. We can hunt any and all that would deny our heritage. Now is our time, now is the time of the Dark Reign(Rain) of the Empire of Shadows.
- High Prince Telemont Tanthul, Lord Shadow
In a speech given to the citizens of Shade Enclave
At the celebration of the Shinantra Battle victory when he revealed that he was THE Lord Shadow of legend.
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MisterX
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Posted - 03 Jul 2011 :  17:28:59  Show Profile Send MisterX a Private Message  Reply with Quote
*speaks in a dark voice* RIIISEEEE, Thread, from your grave and be resurrected!
Ahm, ehm, *coughs*, well, sorry for thread-necromancy. But it's better than spamming with a completely new one, I suppose… ;)

Was it ever stated in lore where exactly Bane broke out of Iyachtu Xvim (how the hell is THAT pronounced, by the way?)?
Was it maybe Zhentilkeep?

In my opinion, the changes made to the realms with 4E are neither necessary, nor good. Just stick with the prior realms – many gods will thank you.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 03 Jul 2011 :  18:08:21  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MisterX

*speaks in a dark voice* RIIISEEEE, Thread, from your grave and be resurrected!
Ahm, ehm, *coughs*, well, sorry for thread-necromancy. But it's better than spamming with a completely new one, I suppose… ;)

Was it ever stated in lore where exactly Bane broke out of Iyachtu Xvim (how the hell is THAT pronounced, by the way?)?
Was it maybe Zhentilkeep?



As in, the physical location where Bane popped out? That's never been stated, just that it happened. In Xvim's divine realm would be the most logical place for it to happen, there or where Bane's realm was during his previous incarnation.

Me, I theorize now that Bane did not return, that the whole thing was a ploy by Xvim to cash in on his dad's reputation and popularity. There were some interesting tidbits scattered throughout 3E lore that left some real doubt on whether we were seeing Bane 1.0 reborn, some amalgam of Bane and Xvim, or my theory of Xvim posing as Bane.

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MisterX
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Posted - 03 Jul 2011 :  19:23:37  Show Profile Send MisterX a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So it'd be unlikely to have some big lightning, explosion and great fireworks within the Keep, telling people around the Realms Bane was back?

Well, the new sign (with Iyachtu's green light, for example) would hint at that… what are/were the other "tidbits"?

In my opinion, the changes made to the realms with 4E are neither necessary, nor good. Just stick with the prior realms – many gods will thank you.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 04 Jul 2011 :  04:44:55  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MisterX

So it'd be unlikely to have some big lightning, explosion and great fireworks within the Keep, telling people around the Realms Bane was back?


It was a vision sent to Xvim's followers.

quote:
Originally posted by MisterX

Well, the new sign (with Iyachtu's green light, for example) would hint at that… what are/were the other "tidbits"?



Bane 2.0 is not using his old holy symbol.

Bane 1.0 favored red and black, and Xvim favored green and black. Bane 2.0 favors green and black.

There was a critter... I don't recall which one it was, something evil and nasty. Xvim liked these critters, and used them as some of his manifestations. Bane 1.0 did not use them -- but 2.0 does.

Now, all of that could be explained away by saying Bane and Xvim merged, and the new Bane has pieces of both. Or it could be explained by saying that Bane tried to subsume Xvim, and mostly succeeded -- but not entirely.

But... Xvim has already masqueraded as another deity, with the intent of getting more power out of the deal. And in the Realms, it's not uncommon for one deity to assume the identity of a fallen deity, even if the fallen one had nothing in common with the usurper -- like Cyric and Leira, or Lolth and Moander. Xvim had a lot to gain by taking daddy's name, and nothing to lose. In my opinion, given those random bits of data, the most likely scenario is that Xvim is Bane, and the original Bane remains dead.

Oh, and I also think it a bit odd that only Xvim's priests had that vision... If it was Bane 1.0 coming back, shouldn't his remaining faithful, or those he lost to Cyric, have had similar visions?

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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 04 Jul 2011 04:46:16
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MisterX
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Posted - 04 Jul 2011 :  07:07:31  Show Profile Send MisterX a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sounds reasonable…

Back to the vision of Bane breaking out of Xvim (gosh, if he'd really be just pretending, he won some easy to pronounce name!) – why did the "goodly folk" of Faerűn believe 'em? How did they get to know? Did the other gods warn their clergy in similar visions?

In my opinion, the changes made to the realms with 4E are neither necessary, nor good. Just stick with the prior realms – many gods will thank you.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 04 Jul 2011 :  16:31:58  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MisterX

Sounds reasonable…

Back to the vision of Bane breaking out of Xvim (gosh, if he'd really be just pretending, he won some easy to pronounce name!) – why did the "goodly folk" of Faerűn believe 'em? How did they get to know? Did the other gods warn their clergy in similar visions?



Because all of Xvim's priests converted over to Bane, and suddenly Bane was being worshipped again. It's never mentioned how anyone else found out, but when your local neighborhood Xvimite suddenly starts shouting Bane's praises, it's obvious something's up.

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sleyvas
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Posted - 16 Jul 2011 :  20:05:24  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by MisterX

Sounds reasonable…

Back to the vision of Bane breaking out of Xvim (gosh, if he'd really be just pretending, he won some easy to pronounce name!) – why did the "goodly folk" of Faerűn believe 'em? How did they get to know? Did the other gods warn their clergy in similar visions?



Because all of Xvim's priests converted over to Bane, and suddenly Bane was being worshipped again. It's never mentioned how anyone else found out, but when your local neighborhood Xvimite suddenly starts shouting Bane's praises, it's obvious something's up.




I've always liked the idea that the rising of Velsharoon through the takeover the former god of liches had something to do with Bane returning. Somehow it released some of Bane's former power which had been stripped from him by the lich lord's original rising. I always wanted to pursue that angle, but I never sat down and wrote anything major up.

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