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Gary Dallison
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Posted - 05 Apr 2020 : 16:05:24

Yeah, i got the sidebar, it gives a very brief guide to the Turami.

From Old Empires we know the Turami were spread throughout Chessenta, Mulhorand, and Unther as well as that little patch where the Blade Kingdoms now exist.

Mulhorand absorbed the Turami, Unther displaced it, so if Jhaamdath first encountered the Turami around -5000 DR (as it started expanding), and dispersed those Turami throughout its empire to work as field hands there are few chances the Turami would still exist as a people in Jhaamdath later.
Either the Turami were dispersed as it said and those small pockets either interbred with Jhaamdathi and vanished within a millennia or so, or they were kept as a separate underclass and died out (replaced by other underclass field hands from Jhaamdath's conquest).

Unther starts expanding from -2000 ish and heads into Chessenta around -1880, they would have started a mass migration of Turami from Chessenta (including those Turami that first fled Unther) that probably reached Jhaamdath's borders around -1550 DR ahead of the Untheric invasion of Jhaamdath.

These Turami could have been dispersed or they may have occupied the east of Jhaamdath. When Jhaamdath retook the eastern provinces that was during a millennia period of warfare and so chances are they logged the eastern provinces heavily and it seems sensible that they used Turami workers to log the Thirty Anvils region until it was gone (elves can shoot the Turami and Jhaamdath gets its wood without any casualties - of course the elves actually took the elves into Nikerymath and established human and elven settlements within the wood according to quotes i've seen).

If the Turami were in the cities when the tsunami struck then they would likely be dead along with much of Jhaamdath's nobility. If instead they were on the border regions like Thirty Anvils (which was near to mountains so its high up, and is out of the immediate path of the tsunami so probably not as affected), then a large number of Turami would survive.

Then all we need is a reason to migrate to the lands of Turmish (and i've read about the robber barons in the Vilhon Reach which forced many to flee to Impiltur etc in the decades following the tsunami).

At least thats how i'm picturing it at the moment. Jhaamdath lore is all a bit of a confusing mess.

Gary Dallison
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Posted - 06 Apr 2020 : 16:35:19

Lots of rubies getting discovered in Turkish, including a cache of identical rubies (created by a spell that duplicates them exactly) I wonder if these identical rubies were used as cognisance crystal's in jhaamdath (who originally created the spell to duplicate them).

I guess the dwarf that styled himself the lord of rubies discovered so many he created a suit of armour out of them.

Also found out the aboleth of llurth drier created a drow illithid hybrid that looked like a drow (but did have tentacles in their arms). Perhaps I could have a hybrid human illithid from oryndoll

Gary Dallison
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Posted - 06 Jan 2021 : 20:54:55

Found a random passage that may give a hint to the origin of Sune's worship (or at least the geographic location).

quote:
The Order of the Sun Soul maintains a large monastery
in the city of Waterdeep, due in large part to the presence of
prominent churches of Lathander, Sel�ne, and Sune. The order�s
current leader, Monastic Abbot Hanor Kichavo, is attempting to
unify the three sects of the order into a cohesive whole for the
fi rst time in centuries. Drawing selectively on historical texts
that survived the Netherese diaspora and the fall of Calimshan�s
Cajaan dynasty, he preaches that Lathander, Sel�ne, and Sune
are tripartite fragments of Amaunator, and that the Yellow God
shall rise anew once the three are unifi ed to form the one

So the current leader is using historical texts from the Netherese diaspora and Cajaan Dynasty to unify sects of Lathander, Selune, and Sune into a single order venerating Amaunator.

Selune was Netherese and Lathander's worship almost certainly arose in the aftermath of the Netherese Diaspora when the netherese abandoned Amaunator due to the behaviour of his church in Seventon.

That leaves the texts from the fall of the Cajaan Dynasty, which was in -1428 DR. Netheril had little or no contact with Calimshan that we know of so its unlikely Selune's church had anything to do with Calimshan. Which means that Sune's church possibly originated in the Calimshan region and maybe even Lathander too.

Since Calimshan and Jhaamdath pantheons began to merge at some point i wonder if this merging occurred with the fall of the Cajaan Dynasty who were priest rulers and so promoted religion (particularly the One Sun god who is likely the origin for Lathander). The beholders swarm out around -1428 and all those calishites around the east of the Lake of Steam flee into Jhaamdath territory.

Calimshan kind of makes sense as a place for Sune worship. They are obsessed with status and finery and beauty.

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