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Renin
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Posted - 04 Jan 2019 :  20:10:39  Show Profile Send Renin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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The main 3 I would pick would be:
-short history of known blades (and whereabouts?)
-recent history of blades, and to extrapolate, known certain wielders
-whereabouts of other blades, or the families searching for lost blades (as adventure hooks)

Heck, if you shared a recipe for German chocolate cake as narrated by Danilo, I'd buy it!



Lol, I would too, especially if it explained when Danila visited our world to get the recipe (i.e. German). Just kidding. It tickled my funny bone.



I would have to figure he somehow snuck along, or weaseled his way in, with the 'Wizards Three' and visited Ed's living room at least once.
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I'm suddenly picturing Danilo visiting Earth, going back to Toril, and trying hard to convince Arilyn to come back to Earth with him to check out a Victoria's Secret store.

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Xnella Moonblade-Thann
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

I'm suddenly picturing Danilo visiting Earth, going back to Toril, and trying hard to convince Arilyn to come back to Earth with him to check out a Victoria's Secret store.



OMG...I'm dying of laughter over here in my corner of the 'Keep...I can imagine Arilyn isn't impressed and is wondering why Danilo wants to buy a few pieces (in blue, of course) for her to wear...

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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

I'm suddenly picturing Danilo visiting Earth, going back to Toril, and trying hard to convince Arilyn to come back to Earth with him to check out a Victoria's Secret store.



And Arilyn is confused why all these human females are wearing fake wings.

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sleyvas
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Originally posted by Renin

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Originally posted by sleyvas

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Originally posted by Renin

The main 3 I would pick would be:
-short history of known blades (and whereabouts?)
-recent history of blades, and to extrapolate, known certain wielders
-whereabouts of other blades, or the families searching for lost blades (as adventure hooks)

Heck, if you shared a recipe for German chocolate cake as narrated by Danilo, I'd buy it!



Lol, I would too, especially if it explained when Danila visited our world to get the recipe (i.e. German). Just kidding. It tickled my funny bone.



I would have to figure he somehow snuck along, or weaseled his way in, with the 'Wizards Three' and visited Ed's living room at least once.



Actually, you know what, I know we were joking, but that's NOT a bad idea for a premise. Granted that would probably have to be an Elaine/Ed Crossover, and I don't know how well that would go, but I'd honestly, if I heard it was written, buy that. I loved those Wizard's Three articles. Since Mordenkainen's involved as well, he could be represented in reference to his tome of foes and possibly trying to gather realmsian information to update said work. Throwing in a cameo of Arilyn AND Danilo also showing up... and a visit by Elaine to Ed... That COULD be a really fun read.

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Wooly Rupert
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My dream mashup remains having Danilo, Arilyn, Tzigone, and Matteo all having to meet and work together for some cause. Danilo and Tzigone together would be a riot, and watching Arilyn and Matteo having to deal with those two would be priceless!

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ElaineCunningham
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

My dream mashup remains having Danilo, Arilyn, Tzigone, and Matteo all having to meet and work together for some cause. Danilo and Tzigone together would be a riot, and watching Arilyn and Matteo having to deal with those two would be priceless!




That would be one hell of a bridge game, wouldn't it?
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I'm also interested in this as well as the relations between the island of Evermeet and the Vyshaan or the Ilythiiri during the Crown Wars. And also why the island was settled almost 8000 years after its creation.

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Originally posted by George Krashos

I'm actually more interested in the history of Evermeet itself. Before Zoar, how was it ruled and by whom? Any issues, internal dissension, problems during the Crown Wars? I can't imagine either the Vyshaan or the Ilythiiri left it inviolate.

-- George Krashos



Interesting notion. An ACTUAL history of Evermeet, as opposed to the narrative Danilo pieced together to give Arilyn a better sense of her family histor (aka the novel Evermeet) would be an interesting project.





Oh, and another idea along these lines that popped in my head in listing out the below. The Llewyrr elves of Sarifal were elves that fled the mainland and went to the Moonshaes to Synnoria/Gwynneth/Sarifal. Meanwhile around the same time according to the GHotR we have the Vyshaan moving out to occupy Evermeet almost 8000 years after its creation in -17600 DR. Why did it take 7800 years for the elves to go to Evermeet after summoning it millenia prior? Who was ON the island prior to the elves? Where did the Leshay of the Moonshaes come from? Was there some kind of falling out in Evermeet in -9800 DR causing the fey of this isle to spread out into the world? Was it perhaps the Vyshaan coming there (i.e. chicken or the egg?)? Similarly, the Yuirwood starts getting settled at roughly the same time. Might we find that some powerful fey similar to the Leshay went there?


From GHotR

–9800 DR
The Vyshantaar Empire’s forces occupy all elf realms (except Keltormir) from the High Forest of Aryvandaar to the sweltering southern forests of Ilythiir. They begin the colonization and settlement of Evermeet [–17600, –1100].

— Yuirwood is settled by small numbers of green elves in the aftermath of the Crown Wars.
— A large force of Llewyrr elves escapes the oppressive mainland and resettles in isolation and safety among the mountains of the Moonshae Islands. Their new land becomes Synnoria, after the elf queen who led the Llewyrr to this island sanctuary.


Also, in discussing other types of weapons in other cultures... sea elves? Maybe they have similar items in trident form? Its a culture much overlooked (such that I did so myself just now).

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the very first answer i'd want would be a resolution to the basic question created by the multiple source / multiple writer /timeline problem

When and where were the moonblades created? Were they all created in the same place and time? Perhaps why differing sources are confused is that there was an initial batch of moonblades made in one place and then over the next few thousand years different clans that were not among those present at the claiming had them made... idk.

Its been my contention that, if a moonblade was created in the timeline from the Evermeet novel, and that it was passed every 2-400 years, the AVERAGE moonblade would be MUCH more powerful than the most famous, which has only had a few wielders.

I once wrote up a moonblade for fighter mages following this sort of timeline and soon found that it was game-breaking, even with the powers added being simple +s or ring powers.
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Cards77
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the very first answer i'd want would be a resolution to the basic question created by the multiple source / multiple writer /timeline problem

When and where were the moonblades created? Were they all created in the same place and time? Perhaps why differing sources are confused is that there was an initial batch of moonblades made in one place and then over the next few thousand years different clans that were not among those present at the claiming had them made... idk.

Its been my contention that, if a moonblade was created in the timeline from the Evermeet novel, and that it was passed every 2-400 years, the AVERAGE moonblade would be MUCH more powerful than the most famous, which has only had a few wielders.

I once wrote up a moonblade for fighter mages following this sort of timeline and soon found that it was game-breaking, even with the powers added being simple +s or ring powers.



The timeline for each blade would be different. The AGE of the moonblade is not relevant to it's power, only the number of wielders (not heirs) and which powers, if any they imparted to the blade.

The way around the overpowered problem is simple: It's possible and even likely that many blades lay dormant for long time periods, even thousands of years.

If no heir is worthy, the blade will go dormant. I'm sure there are more than a few houses that went a generation or two without a worthy heir.

Therefore, 2,000 years could go by without any powers being added to the blade.
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If a moonblade was made 10,000 years ago, say, and is passed down generationally, then you'd expect one to be handed down about every 300 to 500 years even if not a single wielder was ever killed in battle (20-33 potential wielders). I would expect that most wielders would be killed in battle, however. These are the elves that go out and fight the orc horde, that are in the front line against the army of darkness, that stand against the flight of dragons; that means they die a lot to save other elves. Even if you only figure that half the wielders of moonblades die young in battle that could put a single moonblade up to 50 wielders with scores of powers.

I also don't really buy into the moonblades lying around dormant forever waiting for someone to try to draw them bit... at least not until clans are whittled down to almost nothing. Everything we have ever seen about elves - including the moonblade claiming ceremony from lovely Elaine here - tells us that after the named heirs are struck down there would not be a shortage of others arrogant enough to believe they are a worthy heir. The moonblade I wrote up had several extended periods of non-use and still ended up with 25 powers before I decided it was getting too absurdly powerful, and I had not even reached the Fall of Myth Drannor at that point.
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I wouldn't be surprised if over time the souls of past blade wielders didn't somehow or another get drained out or used up by the blade. Maybe the souls of the previous wielders can only provide powers for a few millenia and thus the powers that a blade held long ago may be different than today.

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Cards77
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If a moonblade was made 10,000 years ago, say, and is passed down generationally, then you'd expect one to be handed down about every 300 to 500 years even if not a single wielder was ever killed in battle (20-33 potential wielders). I would expect that most wielders would be killed in battle, however. These are the elves that go out and fight the orc horde, that are in the front line against the army of darkness, that stand against the flight of dragons; that means they die a lot to save other elves. Even if you only figure that half the wielders of moonblades die young in battle that could put a single moonblade up to 50 wielders with scores of powers.

I also don't really buy into the moonblades lying around dormant forever waiting for someone to try to draw them bit... at least not until clans are whittled down to almost nothing. Everything we have ever seen about elves - including the moonblade claiming ceremony from lovely Elaine here - tells us that after the named heirs are struck down there would not be a shortage of others arrogant enough to believe they are a worthy heir. The moonblade I wrote up had several extended periods of non-use and still ended up with 25 powers before I decided it was getting too absurdly powerful, and I had not even reached the Fall of Myth Drannor at that point.



Well my point was two things: Just because someone can pick up a moonblade does not mean it's ACTIVE...it can still be dormant.

This solves the problem of houses being wiped out for lack of a worthy wielder.

So, it's entirely possibly a moon blade could be wielded as a normal weapon while dormant for several generations without a hero to add powers to the blade.

Also, if a wielder dies young without a suitably heroic career, they may not add a signature power to the blade, maybe just a minor "reserve" of power or another use of an existing power or adding 1 caster level.

There have been very long periods of time with elves not in any major conflicts, which means some users could live a very long time indeed, perhaps without accomplishing much at all to impart to the moonblade.

Just some thoughts I have on how to reasonably limit the powers.

There could also be a cap on the powers each blade can contain based on it's age, and the greatness of the family/house to which it belongs.

This would give you options for scaling blades that makes more sense.
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I'd not expect anyone to wield a dormant moonblade... At least, not for long.

Any elven family with a dormant moonblade is not going to be flashing it around for all to see, and if a dormant blade wound up in non-elven hands, any elf that found out about it would be quick to remove that blade (and likely the hands!) from the wielder.

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TBeholder
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I also don't really buy into the moonblades lying around dormant forever waiting for someone to try to draw them bit... at least not until clans are whittled down to almost nothing. Everything we have ever seen about elves - including the moonblade claiming ceremony from lovely Elaine here - tells us that after the named heirs are struck down there would not be a shortage of others arrogant enough to believe they are a worthy heir.

You make assumptions. I'd make an opposite assumption: big strong clans have less need to have another moonfighter.
Also, being arrogant doesn't mean they cannot follow instructions, or heed someone with more common sense, or exercise patience. Elaith's case is unusual in that he wasn't guided by a tradition.
Also, the elves vary from overeager to risk-averse (and presumably are prone to extremes like in other things) and their enthusiasm for taking a potentially fatal blade-rite should vary accordingly.
And since they are long living and slightly delusional, too excitable ones have many ways to eliminate themselves, while the ones too risk-averse accumulated and propagated their attitude, until they cannot handle the world outside their homes and gardens at all, and there's Retreat.

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Elaith was pure tradition... and honor... and pride. That was kinda the point.


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Elaith was pure tradition... and honor... and pride. That was kinda the point.






You are both correct. Elaith always followed tradition and did what was expected of him -- but he was unaware of any tradition or expectations for his family's moonblade.

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I'd not expect anyone to wield a dormant moonblade... At least, not for long.

Any elven family with a dormant moonblade is not going to be flashing it around for all to see, and if a dormant blade wound up in non-elven hands, any elf that found out about it would be quick to remove that blade (and likely the hands!) from the wielder.



I'm not following. What good would a dormant moon blade do for anyone else?

They would still be subject to the same restrictions as other non-wielders ie no one else could wield it.

My point was the blade CAN have a weidler, from it's house, without striking them dead. Blade just goes dormant and is a 'regular' blade for all rules purposes.

The wielder could possibly go their entire life TRYING to become worthy of awakening the blade for proper use, and may or may not succeed.

Makes perfect sense to me.....but my doctor says all crazy people think that
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I would like to read any information available about recent or past Moonblade wielders that followed the dogma or actually worshiped the elven god Erevan Ilesere. Rogues, Clerics, Rogue/Clerics, etc...

That would be my dream information from you EC.

Thank you.
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I'm not following. What good would a dormant moon blade do for anyone else?

It's still a very fine enchanted (even if inactive, it's a magical weapon) blade of very good metal? Just not an active artifact.
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They would still be subject to the same restrictions as other non-wielders ie no one else could wield it.

Er, why? As far as anyone can tell, it's just a lump of metal with enchantment that can perhaps be detected, but does nothing. That's what "inactive" means, no?
Its only observable unusual property is that most "proper" elves of Faerun are inclined to get violently sentimental about this particular finely crafted lump of metal.

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wait, am I misremembering? I thought anyone that touches the moonblade, if they aren't worthy, they get killed. But then Elaith wasn't killed, so maybe I'm wrong. I really should reread those. I enjoyed them the first time around, but second time it would probably stick.

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Its not anyone that touches them, its anyone that draws them - there's a difference there. Also, I think once they go dormant that might no longer be the case, but I'm not sure of that.
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I'm not following. What good would a dormant moon blade do for anyone else?

It's still a very fine enchanted (even if inactive, it's a magical weapon) blade of very good metal? Just not an active artifact.
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They would still be subject to the same restrictions as other non-wielders ie no one else could wield it.

Er, why? As far as anyone can tell, it's just a lump of metal with enchantment that can perhaps be detected, but does nothing. That's what "inactive" means, no?
Its only observable unusual property is that most "proper" elves of Faerun are inclined to get violently sentimental about this particular finely crafted lump of metal.



That's what I mean. It's just an enchanted blade like any other, without the blood line wielder. So why would it be so coveted above another blade by anyone else?

It's not particular good to any other person other than the family that owns it.
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That's what I mean. It's just an enchanted blade like any other, without the blood line wielder. So why would it be so coveted above another blade by anyone else?

It's not particular good to any other person other than the family that owns it.

For others? The shell itself is a very well-made and good looking blade, and as an artifact is magical (not like a high-powered enchantment, but at least in "+0" sense it still should be). Also, a dormant artifact is still an artifact, some people may want to mess with it or trade it.
And the elves IMHO tend toward overreaction mostly because usually they are arrogant and/or insecure, thus easily incensed and won't take a longer way for things that actually matter to them.
Also, they tend toward "mind blindness" to the point where one wonders whether they try fishing with flowers as bait.

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I understood that a blade went dormant when you were the last (and unworthy) potential wielder of your House.

If there is a worthy wielder in a House, the sword will kill everyone who claims it until that worthy wielder does.

It also appears that a sword will "wait" for a worthy wielder (i.e. for the next generation) if there is no one available in the current House. This has been less well-explained in the sources though.

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Edited by - George Krashos on 28 Feb 2019 08:55:20
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