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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer

USA
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Posted - 08 Feb 2020 :  10:54:01  Show Profile  Visit ericlboyd's Homepage Send ericlboyd a Private Message  Reply with Quote
There is a mechanical write-up of mantle magic for 3.5e in Lost Empires of Faerun, page 112.

--Eric

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cpthero2
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USA
759 Posts

Posted - 09 Feb 2020 :  17:27:55  Show Profile  Visit cpthero2's Homepage Send cpthero2 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Eric,

Thank you much good sir!

Best regards,


Robert McDonell
Higher Atlar
Spirit Soaring
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TBeholder
Master of Realmslore

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Posted - 10 Feb 2020 :  00:40:23  Show Profile Send TBeholder a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

Those enclaves were not flying upside down mountain tops. He also stressed the importance of "mantle" magic to the Netherese. [..] There were no mythallars mentioned

Indeed, the Netheril book covered enclaves and added mythallars, but Elven roots were a bit of plot hole.
I mean, the Netherese were taught by the elves of Eaerlann. Even if they mostly abandoned those traditions after discovering the Scrolls, they'd keep some useful things. And if the Scrolls are supposed to build on the reader's existing understanding, why would this lead to abandoning the old ways completely?

People never wonder How the world goes round -Helloween
And even I make no pretense Of having more than common sense -R.W.Wood
It's not good, Eric. It's a gazebo. -Ed Whitchurch
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Ayrik
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Canada
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Posted - 10 Feb 2020 :  01:45:24  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Modern medicine, chemistry, and astrophysics have "mostly abandoned [the old] traditions" of witch doctors, medieval alchemy, and occult astrology which came before them. Sometimes the Old Ways still contain useful nuggets of lore (herbal cures, metallurgical methods, observed celestial events, etc) which are still valuable ... but there's good reasons for discarding them in preference of the new paradigms.

[/Ayrik]
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore

Australia
5706 Posts

Posted - 10 Feb 2020 :  07:18:21  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by cpthero2

Master Krashos,

Revitalizing this for another question: any chance you might consider updating it to the older 3.5/PF 1st systems? Some of us are still never-adopters. haha

Best regards,



I'm pretty sure my Mantle stuff was already 3.5E compatible. Have you tracked it down?

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus
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cpthero2
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USA
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Posted - 10 Feb 2020 :  07:43:30  Show Profile  Visit cpthero2's Homepage Send cpthero2 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Great Reader Ayrik and Master TBeholder,

I have to admit this makes a lot of sense to me here. I have a perfect example from when I was getting my minor in mathematics as I went towards my other degrees. I was taking my 2nd quarter of calculus, and was learning about partial fraction decomposition. It was an arduous, and dumb thing to learn. My instructor said it was dumb, and it wasn't needed anymore. He said it was an antiquated approach and served no purpose in modern mathematics anymore. So, he got rid of it. haha

My point is just that, other professors of mathematics about lost their collective minds when they heard of PFD being tossed because the traditions were violated. I think mathematicians still know what it served a purpose for, and that was that old tradition they wanted to keep, even though they found ways around it.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik

Modern medicine, chemistry, and astrophysics have "mostly abandoned [the old] traditions" of witch doctors, medieval alchemy, and occult astrology which came before them. Sometimes the Old Ways still contain useful nuggets of lore (herbal cures, metallurgical methods, observed celestial events, etc) which are still valuable ... but there's good reasons for discarding them in preference of the new paradigms.


Robert McDonell
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Spirit Soaring
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cpthero2
Senior Scribe

USA
759 Posts

Posted - 10 Feb 2020 :  18:25:40  Show Profile  Visit cpthero2's Homepage Send cpthero2 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Good morning Master Krashos,

I have not yet, though I plan to today or tomorrow as I find time from that damn thing called work! ;)

Best regards,



quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

quote:
Originally posted by cpthero2

Master Krashos,

Revitalizing this for another question: any chance you might consider updating it to the older 3.5/PF 1st systems? Some of us are still never-adopters. haha

Best regards,



I'm pretty sure my Mantle stuff was already 3.5E compatible. Have you tracked it down?

-- George Krashos


Robert McDonell
Higher Atlar
Spirit Soaring
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TBeholder
Master of Realmslore

1965 Posts

Posted - 11 Feb 2020 :  00:37:19  Show Profile Send TBeholder a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by cpthero2

Great Reader Ayrik and Master TBeholder,

I have to admit this makes a lot of sense to me here. I have a perfect example

Whether it's perfect can be seen with the help of a simple question: do the professors of mathematics use partial fraction decomposition semi-regularly to avoid being burned alive?
And it's a rhetorical question.
They don't even try to set each other on fire all that often.
The matters of aesthetics and even convenience are never a good analogy for #SkinInTheGame matters.

quote:
from when I was getting my minor in mathematics as I went towards my other degrees. I was taking my 2nd quarter of calculus, and was learning about partial fraction decomposition. It was an arduous, and dumb thing to learn. My instructor said it was dumb, and it wasn't needed anymore. He said it was an antiquated approach and served no purpose in modern mathematics anymore. So, he got rid of it. haha

While it doesn't come up as often as adding/subtracting fractions, it's merely reverse of the same, isn't it? Which is yet another good reason for the exercise, even if they don't expect it to be directly useful.

People never wonder How the world goes round -Helloween
And even I make no pretense Of having more than common sense -R.W.Wood
It's not good, Eric. It's a gazebo. -Ed Whitchurch
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cpthero2
Senior Scribe

USA
759 Posts

Posted - 14 Feb 2020 :  20:48:16  Show Profile  Visit cpthero2's Homepage Send cpthero2 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Master Krashos,

Indeed I did. Thank you!

Best regards,



quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

quote:
Originally posted by cpthero2

Master Krashos,

Revitalizing this for another question: any chance you might consider updating it to the older 3.5/PF 1st systems? Some of us are still never-adopters. haha

Best regards,



I'm pretty sure my Mantle stuff was already 3.5E compatible. Have you tracked it down?

-- George Krashos


Robert McDonell
Higher Atlar
Spirit Soaring
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