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CorellonsDevout
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Posted - 28 Jun 2020 :  21:19:30  Show Profile Send CorellonsDevout a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hasbro unfortunately isn't interested in the novels, which sucks, because I miss the novel line so much.

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Lord Karsus
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-They are what made the world feel alive. Like what was being written or dislike it, but when stuff happened it made the setting feel like a living, breathing place that wasn't static.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 28 Jun 2020 :  21:45:09  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lord Karsus

-They are what made the world feel alive. Like what was being written or dislike it, but when stuff happened it made the setting feel like a living, breathing place that wasn't static.



It's why I came to the Realms, from Dragonlance -- stuff was happening, in the Realms. Dragonlance had, at the time, two big stories, and then everything else was going sideways or backwards. And even with just two big stories, they couldn't keep their continuity straight.

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CorellonsDevout
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Posted - 28 Jun 2020 :  21:54:02  Show Profile Send CorellonsDevout a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lord Karsus

-They are what made the world feel alive. Like what was being written or dislike it, but when stuff happened it made the setting feel like a living, breathing place that wasn't static.



Agreed. I came to the Realms via the novels (I'm a bookwyrm, so a good way to lure me in is books lol), but the novels helped the setting come to life.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 29 Jun 2020 :  00:57:51  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by CorellonsDevout

quote:
Originally posted by Lord Karsus

-They are what made the world feel alive. Like what was being written or dislike it, but when stuff happened it made the setting feel like a living, breathing place that wasn't static.



Agreed. I came to the Realms via the novels (I'm a bookwyrm, so a good way to lure me in is books lol), but the novels helped the setting come to life.



There was a game a friend tried to get me into, and failed -- and it was because they laid out an interesting backstory, and that was it. Aside from that backstory, there was no lore at all. And me, even if it's a tabletop minis game like Warmachine or BattleTech, I want the lore to be there. (Admittedly, I did find a lot of the Mech-specific lore to be questionable, at best, but still, they didn't just say "here's a Mech" -- there was some story behind each one.)

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mastermustard
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I for one am glad that no more Realms novels are being published, and my reasons are political. In the current Cultural Revolution that we're experiencing in the US, no IP is spared. The realms that we knew decades ago is no more -- any novel written in 2020 would undoubtedly have to fill a quota of lecturing the reader about how horrible and racist they are, while toppling the established heirarchies that exist in the Realms in the name of revenge for alleged real-world injustices.

This was my childhood. I'm glad I won't get to see them destroy it.
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Wooly Rupert
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This is not the thread for discussing that particular topic.

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Seravin
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Posted - 29 Jun 2020 :  10:09:44  Show Profile Send Seravin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lord Karsus

-They are what made the world feel alive. Like what was being written or dislike it, but when stuff happened it made the setting feel like a living, breathing place that wasn't static.



I guess I'm like a classic sitcom watcher---I want weird, exciting things to happen and then afterwards I want it to go back to what it was before that I know and am comfortable with. I've long said before I liked the Horde invasion for a RSE, or Threat from the Sea, because it was big and brutal and created heroes and villains, but largely the world goes back to what it was before the threat and nothing is destroyed from the act, just created.

So I guess I want somewhat static Realms, which after ToT we had, until they decided to go blowing up the Realms and murdering Mystra again and advacing timelines and killing the IP like they have now.
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Lord Karsus
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Posted - 01 Jul 2020 :  22:49:53  Show Profile Send Lord Karsus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Seravin

I guess I'm like a classic sitcom watcher---I want weird, exciting things to happen and then afterwards I want it to go back to what it was before that I know and am comfortable with. I've long said before I liked the Horde invasion for a RSE, or Threat from the Sea, because it was big and brutal and created heroes and villains, but largely the world goes back to what it was before the threat and nothing is destroyed from the act, just created.

So I guess I want somewhat static Realms, which after ToT we had, until they decided to go blowing up the Realms and murdering Mystra again and advacing timelines and killing the IP like they have now.



-My favorite books were (for the most part) the ones that didn't contain RSEs. Wasn't really a fan of most of the RSEs that were introduced over the years. I didn't mean so much that I liked seeing how the world could be "blown up" and then stitched back together, but that the events of the novels (and adventures, in some cases) were then later reflected in other novels/adventures/sourcebooks, showing that the world was organic and alive, rather than just a snapshot that we got every couple of months when a new sourcebook was published.

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Seravin
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Posted - 01 Jul 2020 :  23:32:15  Show Profile Send Seravin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Agree with you Lord Karsus - I think the Harpers series is so good because it is mostly small, personal stories and not RSEs being conquered. None of my fave Realms books involve RSE.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 02 Jul 2020 :  01:19:25  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I quite agree. The smaller stories were the best.

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CorellonsDevout
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Posted - 02 Jul 2020 :  01:40:58  Show Profile Send CorellonsDevout a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I enjoyed both. I liked the big, scoping stories, but I liked the smaller scale ones, as well.

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AliMaClan
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Posted - 02 Jul 2020 :  12:16:09  Show Profile Send AliMaClan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
If no more books will be published, is there a known source of “fan fiction”? Or do copyright/Intellectual property laws prohibit this?
I understand that many people will only want canon, but others may just be looking for a ripping yarn or some good ideas for their games.
(Apologies for my ignorance if Candlekeep already houses such a repository - I have not yet had time to peruse all the scrolls.)

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 02 Jul 2020 :  14:22:49  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AliMaClan

If no more books will be published, is there a known source of “fan fiction”? Or do copyright/Intellectual property laws prohibit this?
I understand that many people will only want canon, but others may just be looking for a ripping yarn or some good ideas for their games.
(Apologies for my ignorance if Candlekeep already houses such a repository - I have not yet had time to peruse all the scrolls.)



Realms fanfiction exists. Like any fanfiction, there are varying degrees of quality -- some is painful to read, some is well-written, some sticks to canon fairly well, some deviates wildly... And of course, there's a fair amount of fanfiction that is sexual in nature.

It's been a very long time since I looked, but I know that at one point in time, there were a couple major sites -- fanfiction.net and adultfanfiction.net. On the former, I once saw a Forgotten Realms/Sailor Moon crossover. On the latter, DrizztxArtemis and DrizztxJarlaxle pairings seemed to be popular.

This was something like 2004, the last time I looked, so I don't know if either site is still around, or if the preferred pairings on the latter have changed - never really understood the whole appeal of putting characters in non-canon relationships of any kind, really.

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AliMaClan
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Posted - 02 Jul 2020 :  15:19:54  Show Profile Send AliMaClan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I suppose the difficulty is how to sort the wheat from the chaff. I wonder if there is any way this can be done - fan sites with quality control or “up voting” perhaps?

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by AliMaClan

I suppose the difficulty is how to sort the wheat from the chaff. I wonder if there is any way this can be done - fan sites with quality control or “up voting” perhaps?



It's a good idea, but then you'd still have whatever the dominant user preference is skewing things. For example, a lot of people only know the Realms through one character -- and if they were the voters for a fan site, they'd heavily favor anything featuring that character, his supporting cast, or similar stuff.

Getting a more balanced rating could be tricky.

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ZeshinX
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I do miss the novels quite a bit. I could have done without that many RSE's, but I never minded those that had high stakes and large implications for the setting but did not inherently threaten massive, destructive impacts. The Last Mythal trilogy struck me as something like that. Now it's been a long while since I've read it, but I found it had high stakes, but it struck me that its ultimate purpose was to introduce a new antagonistic power group to the Realms (the Dlardrageths and others allied to them). I could be forgetting quite a lot about it and whether or not it was an RSE-level event...but novels that offer stakes like that without an impending 'End of All Things' I tend to enjoy.

The smaller scale novels were also quite excellent, though I admit I read fewer of them (or at least it feels that way).

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Gyor
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Posted - 31 Jul 2020 :  14:13:23  Show Profile Send Gyor a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The current Dragon+ Digital Magazine has a question where you can tell WotC that you want more novels again. I would encourage you to do so and spread the, world.
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Gyor
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The current Dragon+ Digital Magazine has a question where you can tell WotC that you want more novels again. I would encourage you to do so and spread the, world.
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Captain Grafalcon
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quote:
Originally posted by Gyor

The current Dragon+ Digital Magazine has a question where you can tell WotC that you want more novels again. I would encourage you to do so and spread the, world.




This idea is interesting ... at least for now I am comforted by the large volume of books already published. It is reassuring to be able to reread several series.I recently had the pleasure of "rediscovering" Elaine Cunningham, Elfsong is a Realms masterpiece.

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just wondering, since someone mentioned dragon+ …. how many folks actually read this here? Ever since they went to a virtual format, I've just lost track of reading it. If it were still paper, I'd still buy it, if for no other reason than to just have an idea of what the latest trends are or what new products are coming out. I totally get why having stockpiles of old magazines suck mind you (especially when you move).

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

just wondering, since someone mentioned dragon+ …. how many folks actually read this here? Ever since they went to a virtual format, I've just lost track of reading it. If it were still paper, I'd still buy it, if for no other reason than to just have an idea of what the latest trends are or what new products are coming out. I totally get why having stockpiles of old magazines suck mind you (especially when you move).



I would have read Dragon+ -- if it had been pdfs or something I could copy to Word. I tried copying something out of one of the first "issues" to Word, and the formatting was so wonky I gave up.

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TheIriaeban
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

just wondering, since someone mentioned dragon+ …. how many folks actually read this here? Ever since they went to a virtual format, I've just lost track of reading it. If it were still paper, I'd still buy it, if for no other reason than to just have an idea of what the latest trends are or what new products are coming out. I totally get why having stockpiles of old magazines suck mind you (especially when you move).



I would have read Dragon+ -- if it had been pdfs or something I could copy to Word. I tried copying something out of one of the first "issues" to Word, and the formatting was so wonky I gave up.



Before you paste into Word, paste it into Notepad and then copy and paste from there. That will remove the formatting.

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Wooly Rupert
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quote:
Originally posted by TheIriaeban

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

just wondering, since someone mentioned dragon+ …. how many folks actually read this here? Ever since they went to a virtual format, I've just lost track of reading it. If it were still paper, I'd still buy it, if for no other reason than to just have an idea of what the latest trends are or what new products are coming out. I totally get why having stockpiles of old magazines suck mind you (especially when you move).



I would have read Dragon+ -- if it had been pdfs or something I could copy to Word. I tried copying something out of one of the first "issues" to Word, and the formatting was so wonky I gave up.



Before you paste into Word, paste it into Notepad and then copy and paste from there. That will remove the formatting.



It removes stuff like italics and such -- but that's not the problem (besides, Word also has a function to remove formatting).

The problem is that text gets moved around and such -- you'll have two columns of text, and instead of going from top to bottom in one column and then starting at the top of the next, it treats both of them as one column and thus mixes up all the text.

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TheIriaeban
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by TheIriaeban

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

I would have read Dragon+ -- if it had been pdfs or something I could copy to Word. I tried copying something out of one of the first "issues" to Word, and the formatting was so wonky I gave up.



Before you paste into Word, paste it into Notepad and then copy and paste from there. That will remove the formatting.



It removes stuff like italics and such -- but that's not the problem (besides, Word also has a function to remove formatting).

The problem is that text gets moved around and such -- you'll have two columns of text, and instead of going from top to bottom in one column and then starting at the top of the next, it treats both of them as one column and thus mixes up all the text.



That is just as bad an a non-OCR'd document (well, almost, at least you can still search it). I haven't looked in a while. Maybe someone has something out there to handle that. I looked a few years back and couldn't find one so I wrote a quick and dirty console app that OCRs text in a screenshot. I would think that someone would have written something full-featured by now.

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