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GungHo
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Posted - 17 Sep 2015 :  19:37:15  Show Profile  Visit GungHo's Homepage Send GungHo a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, they weren't really all that willing to spend the resources to properly maintain it in the first place.
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Azurecobalt
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Posted - 18 Sep 2015 :  01:25:19  Show Profile Send Azurecobalt a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It seems we went through this before when Gleemax was shut down. What strikes me is how more open and honest they were about that debacle (we screwed up, essentially). It's also amusing that they point out that the forums are the heart of the community.

Archived announcement here: https://web.archive.org/web/20080730111123/http://www.gleemax.com/Comms/Pages/Communities/BlogPost.aspx?blogpostid=96074&pagemode=2&blogid=2158

Edited by - Azurecobalt on 18 Sep 2015 01:26:04
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Shadowsoul
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Ireland
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Posted - 18 Sep 2015 :  06:52:07  Show Profile Send Shadowsoul a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Azurecobalt

It seems we went through this before when Gleemax was shut down. What strikes me is how more open and honest they were about that debacle (we screwed up, essentially). It's also amusing that they point out that the forums are the heart of the community.

Archived announcement here: https://web.archive.org/web/20080730111123/http://www.gleemax.com/Comms/Pages/Communities/BlogPost.aspx?blogpostid=96074&pagemode=2&blogid=2158



Link doesn't seem to work.

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Brimstone
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USA
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Posted - 19 Sep 2015 :  00:14:12  Show Profile Send Brimstone a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Bye Felicia. I haven't been on the WotC boards in ages. I have no interest in whatever edition of D&D that WotC is pushing...

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thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Azurecobalt
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Posted - 19 Sep 2015 :  01:36:45  Show Profile Send Azurecobalt a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Shadowsoul

quote:
Originally posted by Azurecobalt

It seems we went through this before when Gleemax was shut down. What strikes me is how more open and honest they were about that debacle (we screwed up, essentially). It's also amusing that they point out that the forums are the heart of the community.

Archived announcement here: https://web.archive.org/web/20080730111123/http://www.gleemax.com/Comms/Pages/Communities/BlogPost.aspx?blogpostid=96074&pagemode=2&blogid=2158



Link doesn't seem to work.



If you copy and paste the whole thing it works (this forum reads it as two separate links). But I'll copy and paste the post:

Gleemax Farewell
Posted By: randyb, 7/28/2008 10:38:56 AM

Wizards of the Coast has made the decision to pull down its Gleemax social networking site in order to focus on other aspects of our digital initiatives, especially Magic Online and Dungeons & Dragons Insider. We continue to believe that fostering online community is an important part of taking care of our customers, but until we have our games up and running at a quality level we can be proud of, it will be the games themselves that receive the lionís share of our attention and resources.

Our plan is to shut down Gleemax completely sometime in September. (I canít give a more exact date because the timing depends on whatís going on with other projects.) To those of you who have posted to Gleemax, I thank you for your contributions over the past year. It is community members like you that made this project worth trying, and it is your efforts and words that gave it heart. You should save your blogs by copying that text somewhere else. Meanwhile, I encourage you to head over to the Wizards forums. The Wizards online community continues to thrive, and there should be lots of fun stuff to talk about over the coming months, including our digital offerings.

Thatís the short version. The long version, as you might imagine, is a lot longer. And for me, itís a lot more personal. I choose to work at Wizards of the Coast because I truly care about the games we make and the gamers we make them for. I come to work each day because I was lucky enough to become a gamer, and I want to make sure the dream is still there for the next guy who comes along.

For me, itís actually been two different dream lifestyles: For a couple of years in the 90ís, I got to be a professional Magic player. I traveled the world, made some great friends, played what is still (in my opinion) the best strategy game ever made, and I made enough money to pay the bills while doing all of that. Iíve also had the privilege for almost a decade now to make games for a living. Working at Wizards sounds like a dream job to many of our diehard players, and the crazy part is that working at Wizards turns out to really be that dream job. The culture inside the building is an awesome blend of smarts and passion, and most days I canít imagine a better place to work. I feel that itís my duty to make sure both the games and the company are in an even better place when the next generation of smart kids comes along. Whether weíre playing D&D around the kitchen table, Friday Night Magic at your local store, or assorted German board games on Tuesday nights at Wizards headquarters, weíre all part of the same shared culture.

Anyway, all of that is what led me to be such a passionate evangelist, pushing to move Wizards in a more digital direction. It remains clear that gamers are moving online and if weíre going to preserve everything that is special about Wizards of the Coastóand the hobby gamer culture in generalóthen we have to move online too.

The mistake that I made, however, was in trying to push us too far too fast. I still think the vision for Gleemax is awesome: creating a place on the web where hobby gamers (or lifestyle gamers or thinking gamers, or whatever you want to call us) can gather to talk about games, play games, and find people to play games with. But Iíve come to realize that the vision was too ambitious. Weíve made progress down about ten different paths over the past eighteen months, but we havenít been able to reach the end of any of them yet.

The correct strategy at this point is clear: we need to focus. Weíre not going to abandon the vision, but we are going to put large chunks of it on the backburner until we prove that we can succeed at the most important pieces. Those pieces are Magic Online and D&D Insider.

Magic Online ďV3Ē is up and running, but it took us a long time to get here and itís by no means perfect. We have a lot of ideas about what we can do now to make the game better and weíll be devoting significant resources in future months and years to doing precisely that.

D&D Insider functionality has started to roll out, but weíre still behind where we wanted to be. In the plus column, Dragon and Dungeon magazines have launched in their new online format, and they seem to be getting rave reviews. The Rules Compendium has also launched Ė itís a searchable database that contains all the rules elements from all the 4th Edition books we publish. The magazines and the rules compendium are available now to anyone who signs up for a free trial of D&D Insider. Next up are improvements to those pieces plus beta-testing of the Character Builder, Character Visualizer, Dungeon Builder, and Game Table.

Unfortunately, that doesnít leave us with any bandwidth to devote to Gleemax right now. Wizards of the Coast remains committed to online community, but instead of trying to grow a new website for a brand-agnostic community, we need to focus on keeping our own house in order. We have the two best games in the world, and we need to take care of them before expanding into new digital arenas.

Randy Buehler

Vice President of Digital Gaming

Wizards of the Coast

Edited by - Azurecobalt on 19 Sep 2015 01:37:21
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Kuje
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Posted - 19 Sep 2015 :  03:29:56  Show Profile  Send Kuje an AOL message  Click to see Kuje's MSN Messenger address  Send Kuje a Yahoo! Message Send Kuje a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sad to hear about that they're doing this even if I haven't been on those boards in years. Still, there was many good, and bad, times that I had over on the WOTC boards.

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George Krashos
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Posted - 19 Sep 2015 :  04:19:16  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
As one of the oldest, still semi-active posters - 14 years now - it's sad that WotC no longer see value in their message boards.

But the FR Forum has been barren for a while now - reflective of WotC's publishing practices IMO - so it's no loss in terms of the Realms. Candlekeep is now probably the last bastion for Realms discussion available to FR fans. EnWorld is too big and unfocused in my view to do that as well as it is done here.

So we should all cherish the 'Keep and continue to make her strong and vibrant. I'm committed to doing just that for as long as possible.

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Gurgle Gobblespit
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Posted - 21 Sep 2015 :  22:06:17  Show Profile Send Gurgle Gobblespit a Private Message  Reply with Quote
My hope is that with the upcoming release of Sword Coast Adventurers Guide, there will be renewed spark of interest/activity with all things Forgotten Realms. Call me an optimist.

Or a goblin.
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Irennan
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Posted - 21 Sep 2015 :  22:11:26  Show Profile Send Irennan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gurgle Gobblespit

My hope is that with the upcoming release of Sword Coast Adventurers Guide, there will be renewed spark of interest/activity with all things Forgotten Realms. Call me an optimist.

Or a goblin.



That's my hope as well.

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perlmugp
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Posted - 29 Dec 2015 :  05:14:03  Show Profile  Visit perlmugp's Homepage Send perlmugp a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Speaking of things WotC has shut down are any of the old archives to realmslore articles still available? Every link I can find even from some fairly recent posts just point to the DnD homepage now.

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JohnLynch
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Posted - 29 Dec 2015 :  07:54:37  Show Profile Send JohnLynch a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by perlmugp

Speaking of things WotC has shut down are any of the old archives to realmslore articles still available? Every link I can find even from some fairly recent posts just point to the DnD homepage now.

Return to Undermountain is still accessible as is several links from there.

Not that I'm currently looking at all sources of Undermountain and using them to create an Ur-Undermountain set in 1489 DR
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perlmugp
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Posted - 29 Dec 2015 :  11:32:17  Show Profile  Visit perlmugp's Homepage Send perlmugp a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thank you. I'm going to back those up while they still work. Do you by any chance know where the "Tribes of Thar" article might be?

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 30 Dec 2015 :  05:02:11  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by perlmugp

Speaking of things WotC has shut down are any of the old archives to realmslore articles still available? Every link I can find even from some fairly recent posts just point to the DnD homepage now.



WotC has a horrible habit of rearranging the website periodically, and they never update the links to old material -- they just shuffle it somewhere else and forget about it. I know of content on the WotC site that was uploaded circa 2000, with all the links to it changed a year or two later -- but it's still there, if you know the URL to find it.

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