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Posted - 26 Nov 2006 :  00:05:20  Show Profile  Visit Nokom's Homepage Send Nokom a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Does anyone know where I can find the stats for Venger? Not sure if this is where I should put this, but here

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Who? :)

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I assume he's asking about Venger... from the old D&D Cartoon?

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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

I assume he's asking about Venger... from the old D&D Cartoon?




Ah, never saw it. Waiting for the dvds. :)

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Well, the collecter set of DVDs is said to contain the stats for Venger, along with the other charicters.

So, we will not know what they are untill the DVDs come out.
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And I believe that DVD release is still a week and a half away... I'm looking forward to that one, though watching the Transformers movie the other day (the animated one from 1986) has thinking of how cheesy the D&D cartoon is going to be, by today's standards. I don't care, though. I used to love that show.

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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

And I believe that DVD release is still a week and a half away... I'm looking forward to that one, though watching the Transformers movie the other day (the animated one from 1986) has thinking of how cheesy the D&D cartoon is going to be, by today's standards. I don't care, though. I used to love that show.



Well met

Aye, i'm lucky enough to be over the pond from thee, Wooly and thus got my hands on the box set last year. Despite it's age, I still enjoyed every single minute

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quote:
Originally posted by Alaundo

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

And I believe that DVD release is still a week and a half away... I'm looking forward to that one, though watching the Transformers movie the other day (the animated one from 1986) has thinking of how cheesy the D&D cartoon is going to be, by today's standards. I don't care, though. I used to love that show.



Well met

Aye, i'm lucky enough to be over the pond from thee, Wooly and thus got my hands on the box set last year. Despite it's age, I still enjoyed every single minute



Yeah, I remember being excited when I first saw it was coming out on DVD, but then I saw that it was a UK-only release (which is odd). I was most stoked when I saw the plans for the US release, and more stoked when I saw the details about the additional stuff coming with it.

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Warduke was featured in a recent Dungeon; don't know about Venger.

Today's standards, humph.
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For anyone that is interested, one of the writers of the series, actually wrote the final episode, but it was never produced. You can read the script for it on his site:

http://www.michaelreaves.com/requiem_preface.htm


Or if you are too impatient to read the writers commentary (which is actually kind of interesting), you can skip right to the script here:

http://www.michaelreaves.com/pdf/requiem_sec.pdf

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If you want to see it right now, I think it comes on toon disney on the weekends. They can't make up their mind on a time... in the USA anyway. Not sure if it comes on in the UK.

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Nokom, I noted yesterday that fans over at EN World were writing up some fan-based conversions (1e and 2e) to reflect the various characters from the cartoon in anticipation of the DVD release.

I didn't see any 3e stats, so you'll likely have to convert them.



EDIT: I'll find the link and send it your way.

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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

Nokom, I noted yesterday that fans over at EN World were writing up some fan-based conversions (1e and 2e) to reflect the various characters from the cartoon in anticipation of the DVD release.

I didn't see any 3e stats, so you'll likely have to convert them.




Why bother, when we'll be getting their 3E stats?

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Included in this collectible package is the official “Dungeons & Dragons” hardcover game supplement. Created exclusively for this release by Wizards of the Coast, the Animated Series Handbook is 32 pages of official character profiles with full stats, magic items and a brand new adventure. The adventure is a prelude to the episode “The Dragon’s Graveyard,” designed to bridge the gap between the game and the animated television series. Also included is an Episode Guide Booklet with show’s synopsis, writers, and original air dates.


http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/news/20061004a

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Interesting.

Here's hoping this boxed set is released in Australia as well then.

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The DVDs are out today. They'll be in my hand in about 90 minutes. And then I can go home and torture my girlfriend with how bad they are.

I'll post short stats for the characters some time tonight, too, since they're in the booklet.

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Okay, all of this information comes from the Animated Series Handbook, which comes with the DVD set. I'm just giving short stats; it's my preferred statblock, it saves me typing, and it doesn't violate the copyrights. As with the 2E statblocks, I'm only listing ability scores of 16 or higher.

All of the kids are human, obviously.

Hank, the Ranger: LG Ranger 7, Dex 17, Cha 18
Eric, the Cavalier: NG Fighter 7, Str 18
Diana, the Acrobat: LG Monk 7, Dex 17, Wis 17
Presto, the Wizard: NG Wizard 7, Int 20
Sheila, the Thief: NG Rogue 7, Dex 18, Con 17
Bobby, the Barbarian: CG Barbarian 7, Str 19, Con 18

It specifies that Sheila has two masterwork rapiers... But the artwork doesn't show them, and I don't recall her ever using them in the cartoon. Obviously, those are invisible, too.

I was amazed at Bobby's Strength (tough little kid!), but then I noted that there's a +4 enhancement bonus to his Strength from the thunder club.

And of course, the topic of the thread was Venger's stats...

Venger: Male half-fiend human sorcerer 13/archmage 5, NE medium outside (native). He's CR 21.

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Holy mother of Lurue, this is bad! I've watched the first couple episodes, and the cheesiness practically raised my cholesterol! Good memories, though.

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They should've made Eric LN or N. He was always the one that needed persuading to do the right thing...
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Am I crazy, or does Venger not qualify for the archmage PrC?
One of the requirements is the ability to cast 7th-level arcane spells, so as a sorcerer he would have needed to be 14th level to be eligible to become an archmage, right?
I don't have the stats in front of me, and I only gave it a quick once-over last night, so I could be missing something...

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<Rez Scroll>

He doesn't qualify for Arch-Mage at all. The only thing I can think of is that as a NPC he is allowed to break the rules! LOL

Personally, I would be interested in knowing the stats for the likes of Warduke. I always pictured him as a Cambion.

Any stats for any of the NPCs would be welcomed by me...I am thinking of having Venger in the Forgotten Realms, along with the likes of Warduke and others as well.

I think Venger would make a great villain from the lands of Faerun...just don't know where yet.

The ONE GUY in that whole series I would be scared of: Venger's Master! That dude was bad mojo!

EDIT:

Kinda reminded me of Kossuth or something! And maybe Venger was a bastard half-fiend (Cambion) from Thay...I dunno...but it would be nice to have stat blocks on some of these guys.

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what edition was the OP looking for anyways?

They did his 3E stats in the boxed set of DVD along with the other characters (Wooley posted them, I see).

IF you want 4E stats (something that I feel would better encompass his over-all character), then I'd probably say Warlock[mc]Sorcerer/Demonskin Adept/Harbinger of Doom. He seems to have an endless supply of arcane blasts (yet any At-will could be used to describe that) but he's also seen to have a "Master" and I think the thematic appeal of the Warlock Pact would fit in nicely here. He's studied a LOT of magic along the way and thus, I believe Sorcerer might also fit in here as well. He's not too bright by any means (I mean, he lets the kids win at every turn) So i don't think Wizard levels apply. He also uses a Shadow Demon, something a Demonskin Adept might emply as well as having specific "Shadow" based powers.

Now I"m thinking of doing a write up of him. What level would you set him at (late heroic 8th - 11th level or Paragon 12th - 18th)? I'm thinking late heroic since the PCs are still threatened by simplistic stuff like Orcs, Kuo-toas, Bullywugs, and Undead and often flee from such monsters (regardles of the anti-combative nature of the show). So I'd think Venger would fit nicely as a 10th or 11th level monster with Shadow-Demon at his side.

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quote:
Originally posted by Diffan

what edition was the OP looking for anyways?

They did his 3E stats in the boxed set of DVD along with the other characters (Wooley posted them, I see).

IF you want 4E stats (something that I feel would better encompass his over-all character), then I'd probably say Warlock[mc]Sorcerer/Demonskin Adept/Harbinger of Doom. He seems to have an endless supply of arcane blasts (yet any At-will could be used to describe that) but he's also seen to have a "Master" and I think the thematic appeal of the Warlock Pact would fit in nicely here. He's studied a LOT of magic along the way and thus, I believe Sorcerer might also fit in here as well. He's not too bright by any means (I mean, he lets the kids win at every turn) So i don't think Wizard levels apply. He also uses a Shadow Demon, something a Demonskin Adept might emply as well as having specific "Shadow" based powers.

Now I"m thinking of doing a write up of him. What level would you set him at (late heroic 8th - 11th level or Paragon 12th - 18th)? I'm thinking late heroic since the PCs are still threatened by simplistic stuff like Orcs, Kuo-toas, Bullywugs, and Undead and often flee from such monsters (regardles of the anti-combative nature of the show). So I'd think Venger would fit nicely as a 10th or 11th level monster with Shadow-Demon at his side.



I'm not sure what rules he was looking for honestly.

I like your take on his 4e attributes though! The only thing I would debate with you was that he was able to not only engage Tiamat in battle and survive (frequently!); BUT he also CREATED Demo-Dragon! Not sure if you remember that particular cartoon, but it felt to me then that he had somehow infused a dragon with the essence of Demo-Gorgon!

I always attributed his continual losses to the adventurers as Dungeon Master giving them uber artifacts...and the continued interference of Dungeon Master as well. So I think he could also be said to fit nicely into the Paragon tier.

For me, I'll probably write him up as a 1e Cambion in my own game. I'll sort out his details shortly and perhaps post them also.

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Perhaps he used a 4E-stylized Ritual to create Demo-Dragon (yes, I remember that blue-skinned monster of terror, lol). The more time and GP and rare/exotic materials to perform the ritual could've dropped the Arcana check to create such a Monster and I'm curious if he didn't have some starting blocks to begin with (like a Demon and Dragon already locked away)?

As for him surviving Tiamat, that's pretty much all he did was just survive it. I don't recall him ever winning or gaining the upper-hand any of those epic confrontations, just a few Eldritch Blasts and away he fled with Tiamat in tow.

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Hmmm...I see your point. Stat away! lol

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quote:
Originally posted by Dalor Darden

Hmmm...I see your point. Stat away! lol



Well it's been only 6 years but I've gotten back into the D&D Cartoon and now that 5th Edition is here, it oddly relates well to older versions of the game.

Warduke stats from D&D:Expert set place him at an 8th level Evil Human Fighter with a +1 longsword that deals fire damage and his helm that gives infravision.

3.5 Statted him out in Dragon Magazine #105 as a CR 20 (human Fighter 18) with all the usually stuff you'd find in a 3.5 NPC/Villain - he's basically a super villain with demonic grafts for eyes that deal gaze attacks, negates critical hits, has Spell Resistance, good AC and Attacks and all manner of craziness.

4E he's an 18th Level Solo Soldier (and a good one) that a Fan did (not Official).

I made my own 5th Edition version that places him as a tough Challenge Rating of 9 because it's assumed he'll have henchmen.

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