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eayottes
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Posted - 20 Feb 2021 :  18:40:28  Show Profile Send eayottes a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Given the halt in new Forgotten Realms novels publication, what are the characters you miss the most and would like to read new adventures of? Similar question, but regarding regions you’d like to see further explored. I’m curious to read your answers :)

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TKU
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I'm not as well-read in the novel side of things compared to many others here, but I would have liked to read more of Elaine Cunningham's characters. As for regions and locations I really wouldn't mind seeing Southern Faerun fleshed out more-so much untapped potential! In the Underdark I'd have liked to see more of Ched Nassad more before its destruction, I thought it had a really neat design and I would have liked to see it explored more in-depth.
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Artemas Entreri
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Posted - 20 Feb 2021 :  23:56:01  Show Profile Send Artemas Entreri a Private Message  Reply with Quote
While vast, the Realms novel line could have been so much more. Imagine how great it would have been to see novels/series set in Zakhara, Kara-Tur, etc.

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The Red Walker
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Posted - 21 Feb 2021 :  03:54:21  Show Profile Send The Red Walker a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Danilo Thann and Arilyn.......Matteo and Tzigone.... Elaith Craulnober....Lireal and Fyodor

All of our Elaine Cunnningham favorite characters are sorely missed.........

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lsls
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Posted - 21 Feb 2021 :  05:09:13  Show Profile Send lsls a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Fox-at-Twilight,my favorite female character.

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Wooly Rupert
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I miss the characters that Elaine Cunningham and the duo of Kate Novak and Jeff Grubb wrote about... But I also wish that as the novel line was declining, that WotC would have done something other than the "hey, let's go back to the same well over and over again" thing they had going on.

I understand that some people really loved Farideh and Vasen and all them -- but as I've pointed out many times, at one point, every single novel character was someone we were just meeting for the first time. Lord Ginsu may have spawned 173 books and spin-offs, but he was originally a sidekick in The Crystal Shard. We first met Erevis Cale as a butler. Elminster was a supporting character in a story about a teenaged girl leaving home for the first time. And so on.

That's what I miss the most: WotC being willing to introduce something new and then let it develop.

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Lord Karsus
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-Not having a "real" end to the web of characters introduced in the Songs & Swords books. Arilyn, Danillo, Elaith, and Bronwyn. Berun from Sentinielspire. Galaeron Nihmedu from the Return of the Archwizards. Marrec and Gungarri from Lady of Poison.

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sleyvas
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Elaine's characters in Arilyn, Danilo, Elaith... I'd also include the Brotherhood of the griffin series getting finished as it appeared they had another book that apparently was never released.

As for what to explore, I'd love to actually see historical novels, even if we know the ultimate outcome. It would be a great way to flesh out realms history better. It wouldn't even need to be a powerful "world changing story".... what they did with star of cursrah is a good example of them showing early history that was interesting (you don't need the flashbacks, etc... just fleshing out an era that had little info makes it interesting... for instance knowing that Calimshan once had scorpionmen, rhinaurs, etc... ).

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Thauramarth
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Adding to the chorus - Danilo and Arilyn, and the cast of supporting characters, and in particular Khelben, as depicted by Elaine Cunningham. I also would have liked to see more of The Simbul (Lynn Abbey's portrayal), and Pinch and his gang.

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gylippus
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Posted - 21 Feb 2021 :  22:46:56  Show Profile Send gylippus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Thauramarth

Adding to the chorus - Danilo and Arilyn, and the cast of supporting characters, and in particular Khelben, as depicted by Elaine Cunningham. I also would have liked to see more of The Simbul (Lynn Abbey's portrayal), and Pinch and his gang.



Nice, you mentioned Pinch and his gang. I might be the only other person on this forum that liked that book, and I definitely would read another book with him as king. I also enjoyed War in Tethyr quite a bit. I would like to see what happened to Chenowyn and Zaranda. I mean, Chenowyn is a gem dragon and as she got older would be nice to see a little romance with some new character.

For some reason I wanted to see what happened to Cordell from the Maztica trilogy, he was starting to grow on me.

But what do we need more of? We need more Kate Novak and Jeff Grubb, period. Giogioni and Cat, a full book, some more Alias with her new boyfriend Mintassen, and even some sequels with the Wyvernspur kids beyond their cameos in the other books. God I would love that.

Of course I agree with everyone else about Danilo and Arilyn, some of the best characters around.
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keftiu
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Posted - 22 Feb 2021 :  00:39:41  Show Profile Send keftiu a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I don't think we ever got a good look at High Imaskar, and that breaks my heart.

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Zeromaru X
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Posted - 22 Feb 2021 :  04:40:47  Show Profile Send Zeromaru X a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert


I understand that some people really loved Farideh and Vasen and all them -- but as I've pointed out many times, at one point, every single novel character was someone we were just meeting for the first time. Lord Ginsu may have spawned 173 books and spin-offs, but he was originally a sidekick in The Crystal Shard. We first met Erevis Cale as a butler. Elminster was a supporting character in a story about a teenaged girl leaving home for the first time. And so on.




You say this as if Farideh had... how many novels has Elminster or Drizzt?

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 22 Feb 2021 :  05:23:13  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Zeromaru X

quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert


I understand that some people really loved Farideh and Vasen and all them -- but as I've pointed out many times, at one point, every single novel character was someone we were just meeting for the first time. Lord Ginsu may have spawned 173 books and spin-offs, but he was originally a sidekick in The Crystal Shard. We first met Erevis Cale as a butler. Elminster was a supporting character in a story about a teenaged girl leaving home for the first time. And so on.




You say this as if Farideh had... how many novels has Elminster or Drizzt?



I'm not saying she had the same number of novels -- I'm pointing out that in the waning days of the novel line, they weren't introducing new characters, they were sticking with existing ones.

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sleyvas
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Posted - 22 Feb 2021 :  15:33:44  Show Profile Send sleyvas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by keftiu

I don't think we ever got a good look at High Imaskar, and that breaks my heart.



Hey just curious, I may have missed something in 4e because I wasn't following it so closely, but I was always surprised to find that there were suddenly essentially two magocracies sitting right next to one another, yet they never seemed to interact from what I can tell. Did they ever do anything that really showed involvement between Thay and High Imaskar (either as allies, enemies, or simply competitors)?

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Zeromaru X
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So far as I'm aware, High Imaskar was more worried about Netheril than about Thay. This is hinted in the 4e FRCG/FRPG. I'm going to check, but I don't remember any mention about High Imaskar and Thay's relations.

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sleyvas
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quote:
Originally posted by Zeromaru X

So far as I'm aware, High Imaskar was more worried about Netheril than about Thay. This is hinted in the 4e FRCG/FRPG. I'm going to check, but I don't remember any mention about High Imaskar and Thay's relations.



Yeah, that to me seems forced as well. I mean, I do get that teleportation and portals makes the world small, but Netheril was predominantly worried about other areas (i.e. Anauroch, Sembia, and the North). High Imaskar for the most part seemed to be just trying to keep itself together, so it should have been more focused on immediate neighbors.... and when one of those neighbors has a ton of undead on your borders, you shouldn't forget that they are there. That being said, I know that they attempted to bring up things like High Imaskar and the genasi nation of Akanul working together, fighting with Tymanther, etc... Anyway, not a big deal to me now since they've annihilated High Imaskar and seemingly returned a lot of Mulhorand. I would be interested to see what they do with the remnants of its population (and preferably not do "and they all collectively moved back to the raurin, because there is no other place on Toril that they might want to go and they would all agree that living in a desert is best"). To me having small groups of a few hundred High Imaskari spreading all around the old empires, bloodstone lands, shining south, Utter East, hordelands, and even Zakhara and Kara-tur border areas would make a lot of sense.

Hell, that gives me an idea that it might be interesting if they found the old arcane facility in the wu pi te shao mountains called the dock. Perhaps the Arcane that were there died in the magical havoc of the spellplague or the fallout afterward. Having High Imaskar showing up at the dock to find some spelljamming ships whose helms are hampered (i.e. slowed, don't work as well, etc..) since the spellplague seems like a doable idea. They could easily transform some Utter East nation, since they never really got any proper treatment in the first place. Maybe use their redwing insects to travel from the nation to the dock in the mountains and ruling from "on high" in a kind of hands off way. Maybe they found the docks in the hands of some creatures like the neogi who took over when they saw the Arcane have their eyes "light up and they just died" or something and they've been running it as a slaver city. So, the High Imaskari showing up and killing them makes the country that was having people kidnapped from might be more than happy to have new people in the dock.

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keftiu
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I think almost all of 4e Thay’s aggression was focused on Aglarond, with their efforts elsewhere being much more covert.

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Zeromaru X
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Posted - 23 Feb 2021 :  14:21:23  Show Profile Send Zeromaru X a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas


High Imaskar for the most part seemed to be just trying to keep itself together, so it should have been more focused on immediate neighbors.... and when one of those neighbors has a ton of undead on your borders, you shouldn't forget that they are there.



Well, the immediate neighbors north of High Imaskar were dragons, not undead: Thay should have to deal first with Murghôm before advancing against High Imaskar. So, really, the Imaskari were content just to watching dragons fortify their defenses from afar (and they were spying on the dragon princes, per the FRCG). If the undead beat the dragons, then they should have to worry, but not before.

And IIRC, the Murghômians (sp?) were very afraid of a Thayan invasion (the humans, at least). However, as keftiu points out, Thay was more interested in Aglarond.

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BountyHunter
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Posted - 24 Feb 2021 :  21:22:21  Show Profile Send BountyHunter a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Not novel characters, but I actually miss the cast of the AD&D and Forgotten Realms comics by DC. Always hoped they'd show up in the novels.
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Adding my voice to Arilyn, Danilo, and all of Elaine's characters. Also, despite my dislike of 4e, there were some good novels written in that time that felt unfinished, such as the Unbroken Chain novels, Shadowbane, and the Chosen of Nendawen. Also would have loved to have gotten that Vasen Cale trilogy.

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Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by BountyHunter

Not novel characters, but I actually miss the cast of the AD&D and Forgotten Realms comics by DC. Always hoped they'd show up in the novels.



One was, in passing, in a novel, and there were a couple short stories featuring a couple supporting characters from one of the early arcs... I remain a huge fan of the comics, myself, and agree that it would have been great to see more of those characters.

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BountyHunter
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by BountyHunter

Not novel characters, but I actually miss the cast of the AD&D and Forgotten Realms comics by DC. Always hoped they'd show up in the novels.



One was, in passing, in a novel, and there were a couple short stories featuring a couple supporting characters from one of the early arcs... I remain a huge fan of the comics, myself, and agree that it would have been great to see more of those characters.



I've got a line on a complete series of AD&D. Hopefully I can get my hands on them.
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