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Knight of the Gate
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Posted - 24 Nov 2017 :  05:01:30  Show Profile Send Knight of the Gate a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Is there any canon source which tells us how Danilo and Arilyn's lives ended? And did they have any children? My searches have proved fruitless at finding anything about their lives after they met.

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Is there any canon source which tells us how Danilo and Arilyn's lives ended? And did they have any children? My searches have proved fruitless at finding anything about their lives after they met.



That story, like many ended by the timejump, has not been told and likely never will be.

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Zeromaru X
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Wasn't Arilyn a half-elf? She must be alive by current Realms years, though perhaps in her very old years. However, as wooly says, she was not mentioned in any 4e product, so... its up to you, really.

Dunno what happened with Danilo, but the Thann family still exists in 4e (as they are the one who raise the Neverwinter heir).

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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Knight of the Gate

Is there any canon source which tells us how Danilo and Arilyn's lives ended? And did they have any children? My searches have proved fruitless at finding anything about their lives after they met.



That story, like many ended by the timejump, has not been told and likely never will be.
I know Elaine was working on a book post-3e to 'wrap-up certain of her character's stories', but after the 4e changes, she just couldn't put a story together she really felt good about (in other words, she wasn't about to write something she couldn't be proud of just to get a paycheck), and thus, cancelled the book herself, that IIRC was already in the WotC 'que'.

If I am remembering any of that incorrectly (and I tried to leave conjecture out as much as possible - this is based on the few words she said here at CK - probably in her own thread), then I welcome her or anyone else here to soundly thrash and correct me.

But now with 4e behind us - and I see she has dipped her toes in our waters here a couple of times recently - maybe we'll see a little something to that effect, at least explaining how she saw their stories end, and whats going on with Elaith Craulnober. He seemed to be changing, albeit VERY slowly, so I'm hoping we might see him in a future novel get another chance at a Moonblade. On the other hand, i wouldn't want to see him change too much.

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Wasn't Arilyn a half-elf? She must be alive by current Realms years, though perhaps in her very old years.



She'd be at least 140 years old. That's pushing it, even for a half-elf.

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According to the 5e PHB, a half-elf lives almost 180 years... so, she will be old, but its plausible for her to be alive and well.

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'Well' is a relative term.

Now, suppose Danillo got poisoned, and because we were in 'Spellplague mode', no-one could cure it (there ARE poisons that resist magic, like the one that took down Azoun for a time). So she has some artifact (probably taken from Laeral) that 'freezes' him, until she can locate a cure. So there she is, all lonely in some tower somewhere, with her 'sleeping beauty' she dare not awaken...

She gets the cure in 5e (probably from Super-Elminster, who is so much more 'Elminster' than regular old Elminster ), wakes him, and his eyes flutter open and he says, "where am I? What happened? Who are YOU, you old hag?"

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Zeromaru X
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She can always use those potions of youth mentioned in the other post... or even made her own clon, a la manshoon.

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Originally posted by Zeromaru X

According to the 5e PHB, a half-elf lives almost 180 years... so, she will be old, but its plausible for her to be alive and well.



Huh. Pretty sure that's considerably longer than half-elves in prior editions got.

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She can always use those potions of youth mentioned in the other post... or even made her own clon, a la manshoon.



Arilyn will have a hard time casting a clone spell, considering she's not a spellcaster.

Besides, Arilyn has always been more elf than human -- I expect that she'd find any method of prolonging her life past its natural span to be distasteful at best, and abhorrent at worst.

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He never said it had to be Arilyn who would cast the clone spell. Could be Elaith and all the cans of worms that opens.

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He never said it had to be Arilyn who would cast the clone spell. Could be Elaith and all the cans of worms that opens.



Elaith may be a git with highly questionable morality, but he, too, is pure elf at heart. He's deliberately put a lot of that aside, but I don't see him prolonging his or anyone else's lives past their natural span, either.

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Baelnorn.

There are also elves (I recall one female in particular) that 'forced' themselves to stay alive WAY past the normal elven lifespan just to take care of Evermeet's dragons.

Come to think of it, in hindsight (with 3e's Eberron), she may now (post-2e) qualify better as 'undying'.

Rules aside (all editions), from the lore I get the idea elves die because they feel its their time, but thats a choice, and they can prolong their lifespans well beyond what the rules say. How long, I couldn't possibly guess... indefinitely? They are Fey, after all. I've also seen (in a book) a dwarf do it. In fact, maybe more than one (there was that Ironstar dwarf in the Spellfire novels, but I have this little something in the back of my head about another). With elves, staying alive is just them tapping into their fey heritage, but with dwarves, its probably more like stubborness.

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If it was my Realms I'd have Danilo and Arilyn and their offspring living in Rhymanthiin, sustained by the mythal there and still hale and hearty.

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Baelnorn.

There are also elves (I recall one female in particular) that 'forced' themselves to stay alive WAY past the normal elven lifespan just to take care of Evermeet's dragons.

Come to think of it, in hindsight (with 3e's Eberron), she may now (post-2e) qualify better as 'undying'.

Rules aside (all editions), from the lore I get the idea elves die because they feel its their time, but thats a choice, and they can prolong their lifespans well beyond what the rules say. How long, I couldn't possibly guess... indefinitely? They are Fey, after all. I've also seen (in a book) a dwarf do it. In fact, maybe more than one (there was that Ironstar dwarf in the Spellfire novels, but I have this little something in the back of my head about another). With elves, staying alive is just them tapping into their fey heritage, but with dwarves, its probably more like stubborness.



Well, yeah. There are obviously elves who stick around longer than the natural span. But these are extraordinary individuals, and they have deeply compelling reasons for doing so - something much larger than themselves that they feel they need to do, and that others couldn't do.

It is otherwise an alien idea, for elves.

I don't see that Arilyn or Elaith would feel they had any particular reason to stick around past their allotted span.

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If it was my Realms I'd have Danilo and Arilyn and their offspring living in Rhymanthiin, sustained by the mythal there and still hale and hearty.

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That reminds me, what exactly has been done officially with Rhymanthiin (no plans, just interested)? I think there was maybe a hint of an entry in the SCAG maybe? Anything else?

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Don't think anyone has done anything with the place.

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