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sleyvas
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Was thinking about something else, got to thinking about the "dragon laser" that shot up from the Hill of Seven Lost Gods (according to the GHotR entry) and shot the moon. Can't believe I never hit on this before, but do you think this is where the batrachi Zhoukhoudien performed the ritual that released "several primordials" that had been locked away, causing the sundering. I know we've had it said that the Hill of Seven Lost gods were a bunch of primordial entities (like Borem of the Boiling Mud, etc..), and we've also had it named as a place related to several modern deities.

I could easily see it where the gem dragon who is trying to uncover the history just got it wrong, where he says they were trying to blast the king killer star. Then again, if this is how the moon got blasted once, perhaps the dragons came along later and thought they knew how to use it and tried to blast the king killer star later and shot the moon again.

Either way, I figure there's some kind of amazing power source under the ground there of some sort.

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What if this is the site were Asgorath was summoned to Abeir-Toril by the batrachi? This could explain why the draconic deities are too active in an area that has been controlled by human deities in the last few millennia.

The place may be connected to the Dracofont (see Dragon Magic sourcebook).

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Originally posted by Zeromaru X

What if this is the site were Asgorath was summoned to Abeir-Toril by the batrachi? This could explain why the draconic deities are too active in an area that has been controlled by human deities in the last few millennia.

The place may be connected to the Dracofont (see Dragon Magic sourcebook).



Yep, we're saying the exact same thing. Zhoukhoudien released the primordials, Asgorath/Asgoroth was one of them. There's also the rumor by the gem dragon that they fired at the "king killer star" from this spot. Maybe he just got it wrong as to when it happened OR they did something here twice.

Just to note as well, this is the same place that was used to create Alias. Not sure what to do with that, but if this place has some kind of divine power source, or if it somehow contains souls/spirits, there might be something we can do with it.

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There's 2 dragon magic sourcebooks I know of (one in 3.5 and a 2e one that's for dragonlance). I didn't see dracofont in them. I'm curious about it though. Did I just overlook it, or is there another sourcebook with same name?

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The 3.5 one. I didn't knew aboutthe one from Dragonlance!

You should check the sample adventure that is a the end of the 3.5 book. I maybe mistralating it to English. In Spanish was named "Dracofuente", so bear that in mind.

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gotcha, it's called dragonfont where I'm at, and interesting... yeah, it definitely could fit the dragonlaser storyline where its a point for cooperative dragon casting. Doesn't necessarily go along with the release of primordials storyline, except for the fact that Asgorath is known as "the world shaper". The idea that there's a dragon skeleton here and a "weaveghost" type dragon form makes me think that in the original perhaps the original dragon caster sacrificed themselves for the casting. It also reminds me of the "air dragon" from Coliar.

I just got an image in my head of seven "primordial" dragons here casting a spell here that shoots a blast of power into the sky, destroys one "moon" made of ice full of frozen dragon eggs, continues on... hits another mass and tears it into orbiting earth and water islands that we would now call Coliar... and then maybe "etches" magical glyphs onto the crystal sphere opening portals to the plane of radiance (effectively creating new stars). Maybe it even hits the sun. Afterward, survivors from Coliar, in the form of bird folk, "fly" some of their earth islands to Toril to check out where the big light that just destroyed their world came from, and thus the start of the Aearee civilization on the world. Maybe this was all a way to attack Ao himself by trying to set bindings on him via the crystal sphere itself or somesuch. Maybe it was a way for the dragons to "free" themselves from enslavement by the dawn titans by duplicating the world and creating something like the Imaskari Godswall around the new world.

Wonder if the elven sundering was cast at the same place with elves whose High Magic somehow allows them to cast like a dragon.

I'm also forced to wonder if perhaps it could be worthwhile to note that in 1357 multiple beings worked from this same site to create life in the form of Alias by tearing into the soul of a sauroid creature known as Dragonbait, and then months later Ao comes up with some excuse to kick the gods out of the heavens (he says to punish them, I say because he had to do some technical maintenance that involved a "reboot" of some sort that required them out of the way). This also involved Moander getting freed from imprisonment at around the same time (a primordial like entity tied to the hill of seven lost gods and an entity known for "splitting" things into two).
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This vast, rough chamber of rock seems neither fi nished nor abandoned, as the rest of the shrine does. A rich azure light illuminates the room, emanating from a glowing form in the middle of the chamber. The form seems to be a dragon made of pure blue energy, but its shape and size constantly shift and fl ow. The form seems almost liquid, and deep within it you can see small motes of bright, white light. Beyond the glowing form, an enormous draconic skeleton lays on the floor, unmoving.

This is the dragonfont, the ancient relic forgotten by most of dragonkind. It still can combine the powers of multiple dragons in limited ways, though it no longer has the worldchanging influence that caused elder dragons to hide it away eons ago. When multiple creatures that are of the dragon type or the dragonblood subtype, or that have draconic feats, gather to cast a spell at the dragonfont, they can combine their mystic powers. A single creature is selected to cast a spell, and every other creature present makes a DC 15 Spellcraft check to aid in this endeavor. For each successful check, increase the caster level of the creature engaged in spellcasting by 1 (only for the purpose of a spell cast immediately at the dragonfont). Aiding the caster in this way is exhausting, dealing 1 point of Constitution damage to each otrher participant. This damage represents the energy taken from the participant and infused into the draconic spellcaster. Any effect that prevents a participant from taking this damage also prevents it from granting a caster level boost.



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This comes at my just days after learning about the Hills of the Seven Lost Gods, but it's still confusing.
I don't have enough draco-magic information (especially with the wiki's information siding with this Gem Dragon's dracorage mythal theory) to talk about the nature of this mega-laser, but my mind immediately imagines the silly idea of "What if it was a tractor beam?" XD

Still, what's the deal with the two sets of seven? I naturally am obsessed with figuring out the Ghaunadaur temple outside of Westgate, but I can't figure out what is the deal with the two different sets of Seven Gods.
The lost gods of antiquity, and the lost gods of westgate as the wiki calls them.
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Seven_Lost_Gods

Not to expand the scope of an already very nebulous theory thread, but what is the deal with these damn hills and the strange choices of primordials that are associated with them? It boggles my mind that these seven hills have survived for so long..

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I wrote that wiki article. There's nothing very special about the term "Seven Lost Gods", save that the name has supposedly appeared several times in Realms history and causes confusion (which only arises because the sources insist on talking about them all together). It applies to different groups

The earlier Seven Lost Gods (of Antiquity, as I used to distinguish them) are the primordials or demigods defeated by the Dark Three and later serving Bane. They have no connection to Westgate or the hills that I could find.

The later Seven Lost Gods (of Westgate) are seven deities banned for a time in Westgate's history. During that time, they had temples at the seven hills outside the city.

I could find no connection whatsoever between them, except some speculation that the hills outside Westgate may have been the site for worship of other gods dating back to the time of Jhaamdath. These might be the earlier Seven Lost Gods, but it would be a surprising coincidence if so. Or they might be Auppenser or Murdane or others of a Jhaamdathan pantheon. No one knows.

The lore even suggests there are other groups of Seven Lost Gods, and they might not necessarily be seven, but lots more.

But the two Seven Lost Gods are most likely unrelated, and a lot more is made out of the Westgate hills than they really warrant.

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And oddly enough, "seven" in relation to the realms is something that occurs in relation to gods a lot. Selune has 7 stars in her symbol, so does Mystra. There's the seven sisters who are all chosen of Mystra. Not saying that that's related to these lost gods, but there may be some "power" to a conjuction of seven things.


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I believe Ed would call greatly upon the notion of 7 being the most magical number in western folklore.
Maybe there are strange draconic magic sources that could power our omega-space-draco-laser in odd ways, like how Stormkeep heals/empowers dragons for some reason. Although, do we have a combo of Seven Dragons or Seven Promordials in any other instances that we could call upon?

If you had to place seven creatures (or power sources) that would have existed at this time, who would you have firing the laser? There are tons of combinations of Five dragons, but seven? Just spitballing, I want to learn more about this Dracofont as well. Font being a thing to draw or pool power from/into..

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Originally posted by sleyvas

And oddly enough, "seven" in relation to the realms is something that occurs in relation to gods a lot. Selune has 7 stars in her symbol, so does Mystra. There's the seven sisters who are all chosen of Mystra. Not saying that that's related to these lost gods, but there may be some "power" to a conjuction of seven things.





Also the seven Skulls of Skullport, or Tashara of the Seven Skulls...

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Originally posted by PattPlays

I believe Ed would call greatly upon the notion of 7 being the most magical number in western folklore.
Maybe there are strange draconic magic sources that could power our omega-space-draco-laser in odd ways, like how Stormkeep heals/empowers dragons for some reason. Although, do we have a combo of Seven Dragons or Seven Promordials in any other instances that we could call upon?

If you had to place seven creatures (or power sources) that would have existed at this time, who would you have firing the laser? There are tons of combinations of Five dragons, but seven? Just spitballing, I want to learn more about this Dracofont as well. Font being a thing to draw or pool power from/into..



The questionable part on answering that is "existed at this time". In the past, I have thought about this possibly being the same place that the gem dragon Sardior and his six thanes (thanes being representatives of each gem dragon race) ascended to godhood.

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Sardior

Sardior kept a court of five thanes, one for each of the various breeds of gem dragons. They were Aleithilithos (an amethyst dragon), Hrodel (a crystal dragon), Smargad (an emerald dragon), Charisma (a sapphire dragon), and Tithonnas (a topaz dragon). Sardior once had a sixth thane, Seradess, (an obsidian dragon), but he destroyed her and banished the obsidian dragons from his court. Even his own clergy didn't know the exact reason behind this decision.

Also, just to note some other notes about him

Sardior's demesne was a huge floating castle named the Ruby Palace, which orbited the world and always lay in the shadows from the sun. On the nights it was seen, viewers often mistook it for a small red moon.
Periodically, Sardior moved his fortress through the planes, visiting the djinni Citadel of Ice and Steel, and Uroboros, the realm of Jazirian

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My first reaction to that destroyed and banished event is me thinking someone failed to pull their weight and lead to the failed targeting of their blast out into the sky, hitting the planet of the air dragons instead of the intended target. Would that be a sabotage that an obsidian dragon would attempt to accomplish?

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On the obsidian dragon, we don't know WHY he killed her at all. We do know that they are neutral evil now. We know that they may be black, but they also aren't "darkness dragons", because they're inclined towards volcanos and fire.

So, the more I think on it, the more I think that perhaps the best thing we can do is accept the idea that this place DOES have some kind of cooperative magic point that works with draconic beings and any other being doing a form of epic magic, and further accept that there have been multiple instances of its use as a point in which some kind of "blast" has been hurled from Toril skyward. I kind of like the idea that perhaps instead of trying to link the formation of the tears and coliar that perhaps these are separate.

Perhaps it might be best to throw out some possibilities to give examples

First Possibility: Light is brought to the crystal sphere by Selune. We know the stars are "portals to the plane of radiance opened on the shell of the crystal sphere". So, perhaps those portals were opened via a light beam shot from this point and hitting the shell of the crystal sphere. Perhaps the great glyphs carved in the shell of the crystal sphere were engraved from here. There may be several similar points where similar acts were done, such that this is just one of many, and they may not all be on Toril either

Second Possibility: A heavenly body is set ablaze by Selune by reaching across planes, breaking off a fragment of "ever-living flame", and in her pain setting the sun on fire. This is during the start of the gods and the separation of Selune and Shar. This heavenly body becomes the sun. in order for this to have occurred, perhaps this place was used as a place for an epic ritual to open the portals to the plane of fire. Since "red dragons" didn't exist yet, perhaps it was obsidian dragons that helped, especially since said beings have ties to the elemental plane of fire. This awakening of fire portals could have just as easily have happened ON the surface of the Celestial body itself though.

Third Possibility: The Shadow Epoch. Toril is darkened by "The Night Serpent" taking the sun from the sky. An ice age starts. Most life goes extinct. So, perhaps this is when Shar is "snuffing out all light and life" in the crystal sphere. Maybe Shar shatters Coliar, and the resulting dust cloud between Toril and the sun ushers in a short ice age that kills most beings on Toril. It also kills most life on Coliar, which maybe consisted mostly of an avian race and a sauroid folk created by a primordial (possibly Ubtao). Maybe this was accomplished at the Hill of Seven Lost Gods. Maybe some other way. However, in an act of desperation, Selune "rips" a portion of her essence and hurls it through Shar. We also hear that Ubtao the Deceiver helps by "turning on his fellow primordials" and helping imprison or destroy them. So, perhaps a ritual is performed at the Hill of Seven Lost Gods. It pulls radiant energy from one moon, and redirects this energy at a black moon of ice and crystal in orbit around Toril. These become the ORIGINAL tears of Selune. This blast also "etches" a new constellation on the crystal sphere, a constellation of seven Stars related to Mystryl (and later Mystra) (note, seven stars, seven lost gods on the seven hills). When a new moon passes through this constellation, in modern times this has become known as "the night of Myrkul's eye", and its a time of powerful death magic (see dungeon #73). So, perhaps at this point, some being (possibly Ubtao the Deceiver) worked with Selune to enact revenge for the destruction of Coliar. They entrap the Night Serpent and six other powerful primordials at the Hills of Seven Lost Gods. One such primordial entity is perhaps Moander. Another such primordial entity is perhaps Pandorym (of which Entropy is a component). Another such primordial entity is the Night Serpent. Another such primordial entity might be Ghaunadaur. Another such primordial entity is perhaps a draconic entity Asgorath/Asgoroth the World Shaper (also known as Io), though this could be an aspect of the World Serpent instead and it reacted as a result of the Primordial's release.

Fourth Possibility: The Sarrukh empire rises and falls, and the empire of Okoth discovers the Athora. The Batrachi empire rises, above Okoth's ruins in Kolophoon, where they too begin study of the Athora. Another batrachi empire of Zhoukhoudien forms to the west and a war starts with the titans of Annam's Brood. Zhoukhoudien discovers the Hill of Seven Lost Gods, and he foolishly releases the primordials. Perhaps even these batrachi become avatars for these beings. Perhaps one of these batrachi becomes/binds with Hargut of the Gray Pestilence (see Haask, Voice of Hargut, in relation to the Jathiman dagger and the rise of the dark three). Moander infects Ourobouros, forcing it to fragment. Asgoroth sets fire to an ice moon filled with frozen dragon eggs, which rain down upon Toril in the Tearfall. Perhaps Ao twins the world into Abeir and Toril. Perhaps the fragmenting of the World Serpent causes the "twinning" of Abeir and Toril. Perhaps even multiple worlds are created (including earth), but people only KNOW of Abeir and Toril.

Fifth Possibility: The elves uncover a similar place of powerful magic in the icy north. Perhaps its where a fragment of the ice moon fell to earth. Perhaps it has ties to Ulutiu and his ice necklace. Perhaps both. Perhaps its a place of the lost Aearee empire that rose up after the Tearfall, and the Aearee empire teaches the avariel elves to harness the magic. In the end, the avarield enact a ritual that involves a comet that will come to be called "The King Killer Star". Why they choose this comet is unknown, but perhaps it holds a portion of the moon that once held the dragon eggs, and it was the destruction of said moon that turned it into a comet. Later, the elves come across a similar place of power with the Hill of Seven Lost Gods. They discover it has enormous power, and they draw upon it to create the Elven Sundering which creates a separated Merrobouros and draws Evermeet to Toril from they plane of Faerie. This also creates a copy of Evermeet in Abeir, but the elves use Worldfire to draw all magical energy from THAT Evermeet to make THEIR Evermeet extremely magical. Perhaps this Sundering/"corruption of the world" involved Moander tricking the elves and freeing him. Perhaps they drew upon the power of "the World Shaper" in order to make the changes.

Sixth Possibility: The creation of new godsflesh…. also known as the creation of the being known as Alias. Following this act, merely a year later, Ao kicks all gods out of heaven. Why? Because perhaps something involved with this act has kicked off what will come in the form of the worlds colliding during the spellplague. Why do I call her new godsflesh? She is literally immortal, unaging. This act of immortal creation involves the sacrifice of the soul of a sauroid creature, Dragonbait, but his soul is only splintered. We also find out that Alias is not the ONLY creation created, as many more bodies were created by Phalse, an aberration like creature that somewhat resembles a beholder whose eye stalks end in mouths (possibly having ties to Leira and/or Savras?). Could these Alias clones (which were given false memories) have been the bodies that some of the gods inhabited during the ToT? I find it particularly interesting that Alias had a severe distrust of gods.

This thought process has put in my head questions about the groups behind the creation of Alias, and whether those organizations don't have deeper ties to a primordial being that the lesser members don't know about. We already know that two beings involved (Moander and Phalse) were aberrant beings of a sort. We also know that it involved a lich (perhaps with ties to a death god, such as Jergal, especially given his sign of 3 rings?), the Fire Knives (perhaps there is some tie to a fire entity at the high end that people don't know about? Perhaps even ties to the Jathiman dagger which is a dagger meant to kill the divine?),

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This thought process has put in my head questions about the groups behind the creation of Alias, and whether those organizations don't have deeper ties to a primordial being that the lesser members don't know about. We already know that two beings involved (Moander and Phalse) were aberrant beings of a sort. We also know that it involved a lich (perhaps with ties to a death god, such as Jergal, especially given his sign of 3 rings?), the Fire Knives (perhaps there is some tie to a fire entity at the high end that people don't know about? Perhaps even ties to the Jathiman dagger which is a dagger meant to kill the divine?),



I'm disinclined to think this was the case. Not only do I not see any reason to assume anyone else was involved, there's also the fact that places of power don't always get used for the same purpose.

Ed has said the Realms has ley lines. I'd say that hill was a ley line convergence, and that's why multiple groups have used it for different reasons -- there is power there, waiting to be tapped, and that power lets them do more than they could if they were elsewhere.

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This thought process has put in my head questions about the groups behind the creation of Alias, and whether those organizations don't have deeper ties to a primordial being that the lesser members don't know about. We already know that two beings involved (Moander and Phalse) were aberrant beings of a sort. We also know that it involved a lich (perhaps with ties to a death god, such as Jergal, especially given his sign of 3 rings?), the Fire Knives (perhaps there is some tie to a fire entity at the high end that people don't know about? Perhaps even ties to the Jathiman dagger which is a dagger meant to kill the divine?),



I'm disinclined to think this was the case. Not only do I not see any reason to assume anyone else was involved, there's also the fact that places of power don't always get used for the same purpose.

Ed has said the Realms has ley lines. I'd say that hill was a ley line convergence, and that's why multiple groups have used it for different reasons -- there is power there, waiting to be tapped, and that power lets them do more than they could if they were elsewhere.



Have these leylines been left up to DM's since the dawn of the setting or has there ever been any information about specifics for Toril's leylines? I would assume the former.

Also- those are six awe-striking ideas. I wonder if the seventh theory will bring it all together.

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