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Diffan
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 Posted - 02 Apr 2021 : 01:43:48
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So the Titles of Priests threat found HERE really got me thinking about ALL the prestige classes 3e/3.5 put out over their run and how many of them had requirements of deities/patrons, but I don't think a comprehensive list of them were ever created? Since I'm currently in the midst of preparing my next campaign (3rd Edition, set in 1374 DR in the Border Kingdoms - Sunless Citadel) then further south (Red Hand of Doom I wanted to give my players a good idea of what kind of specialty priests and divine characters they could make.
So, I'm making as big of a list of Prestige Classes and their corresponding Deities. I am taking from non-FR sources (Complete Divine, etc) and assigning them FR deities - or the ones that make the most sense - so that there's a pretty comprehensive list to pick from. If I miss any, please feel free to file those in with their source.
I might do another threat of all the Affiliations in 3.5 (I've counted 26) and then convert them to the Forgotten Realms setting too.
Arachne (Faiths and Pantheons) – Female, Lloth
Arcane Devotee (Player's Guide to Faerûn) – Any
Arcane Hierophant (Races of the Wild) – Lurue, Mielikki, Silvanus
Auspician (Faiths and Pantheons) – Beshaba or Tymora
Battleguard of Tempus (Dragon #317) – Tempus
Battle Howler of Gruumsh (Dragon #311) - Gruumsh
Battle Priest of Cormyr (Dragon #307) – Helm, Lathander, Selûne, Tempus, Torm, Tymora, Tyr
Black Flame Zealot (Complete Divine, Unapproachable East) – Kossuth
Beloved of Lurue (Book of Exalted Deeds, originally Beloved of Valarian) – Lurue
Blessed of Gruumsh (Dragon Compendium) - Gruumsh
Celebrant of Sharess (Player's Guide to Faerûn) - Sharess
Champion of Corellon Larethian (Races of the Wild) – Corellon
Champion of Torm (Candlekeep, HERE) – Torm
Church Inquisitor (Complete Divine) – Amaunator, Bahamut, Ilmater, Helm, Hoar, Torm, or Tyr
Contemplative (Complete Divine) - Any
Darkmask (Lords of Darkness) – Drow/Half-Drow of Vhaeraun
Deathstalker of Bhaal (Dragon #322) - Bhaal
Divine Champion (Player's Guide to Faerûn) – Any
Divine Crusader (Complete Divine) – Any
Divine Disciple (Player's Guide to Faerûn) – Any
Divine Oracle (Complete Divine) - Any, though many worship Savras
Divine Seeker (Player's Guide to Faerûn) – Any
Doomguide (Faiths and Pantheons) – Kelemvor
Dreadmaster (Faiths and Pantheons) – Bane
Dread Witch (Heroes of Horror) - Bane
Dweomerkeeper (Faiths and Pantheons) – Mystra
Entropomancer (Complete Divine) – Any non-Good (although gravitate towards Jergal and Shar)
Eye of Horus-Re (Player's Guide to Faerûn) – Horus-Re
Evangelist (Complete Divine) – Any
Fist of the Forest (Complete Champion) – Oghma, Lurue, Mielikki, Silvanus
Fleet Runner of Mielikki (Dragon Compendium) - Mielikki
Forest Master (Faiths and Pantheons) – Silvanus
Forest Reeve (Complete Champion) – Silvanus
Goldeye (Faiths and Pantheons) – Waukeen
Gray Guard (Complete Scoundrel) – Bahamut, Helm, Hoar, Torm, and Tyr
Hammer of Moradin (Player's Guide to Faerûn) – Moradin
Harper Priest (Magic of Faerûn) – Denier, Eldath, Lliira, Mielikki, Milil, Mystra, Oghma, Selûne, Silvanus, and Tymora; elven pantheon
Hathran (Player's Guide to Faerûn) – Chauntea, Mielikki, or Mystra
Heartwarder (Faiths and Pantheons) – Sune
Hierophant (Dungeon Masters Guide) – Any
Horned Harbinger (Faiths and Pantheons) – Myrkul
Hunter of the Dead (Complete Warrior) – Any non-evil, mostly Kelemvor and Lathander
Icemaiden (Candlekeep, HERE) – Auril
Justice Hammer of Moradin (Dragon #328) – Moradin
Justice of Weald and Woe (Champions of Ruin) - Any, although many venerate woodland deities or the elven pantheon (in particular -Shevarash)
Justicar of Tyr (Player's Guide to Faerûn) – Tyr
Knight-Errant of Mystra (Candlekeep, HERE) - Mystra
Knight Hospitaler (Complete Warrior) – Any non-chaotic, often gravitates towards deities with Knightly orders such as Helm, Ilmater, Kelemvor, Lathander, Torm, and Tyr
Knights of the Blue Moon (City of Splendors: Waterdeep) – Mystra or Selûne
Knights of the Chalice (Complete Warrior) – Any LG, NG, or LN deity
Knight of the Iron Glacier (Frostburn) – Ulutiu
Knights of the Weave (Champions of Valor) – Azuth or Mystra
Loremaster (Dungeon Master's Guide) – Any with Knowledge domain
Maiden of Pain (Player's Guide to Faerûn) – Female, Loviatar
Maquar Crusader (Shining South) – The Adama
Martyred Champion of Ilmater (Player's Guide to Faerûn) – Ilmater
Master of Radiance (Libris Mortis) – Amaunator, Horus-Re, Lathander
Master Specialist (Complete Mage) - Often the deity closely aligned with their school of magic.
Monk of the Long Death (Player's Guide to Faerûn) – Velsharoon, Kiaransalee and Loviatar
Moon Drover (Dragon #307) - Bright Nydra (aka Selûne)
Morninglord (Player's Guide to Faerûn) – Lathander
Mystic Keeper of Corellon Larethian (Dragon #328) - Corellon Larethian
Mystic Theurge (Dungeon Masters Guide) – Any
Nightcloak (Faiths and Pantheons) – Shar
Nightmare Spinner (Complete Mage) - Bane or Loviatar
Ordained Champion (Complete Champion) – Bane or Tyr
Occular Adept (Faiths and Pantheons) – Gzemnid
Pale Master (Libris Mortis) - Kiaransalee or Velsharoon
Pious Templar (Complete Divine) – Any
Radiant Servant (Complete Divine, originally Radiant Servant of Pelor)– Amaunator, Horus-Re, and Lathander
Ravager (Complete Warrior) – Garagos or Tempus
Ruby Knight Vindicator (Tome of Battle: Book of Nine Swords) – Red Knight
Sacred Exorcist (Complete Divine) – Any good
Sacred Fist (Complete Divine) – Any
Sacred Purifier (Libris Mortis) – Any non-evil.
Seeker of the Misty Isle (Complete Divine) – Corellon Larethian
Scourge Maiden (Shining South) – Female, Loviatar
Shadowbane Inquisitor (Complete Adventurer) – Helm, Torm, Tyr
Shadowbane Stalker (Complete Adventurer) – Helm, Torm, Tyr
Shadowspy (Complete Champion) – Amaunator or Lathander
Shadowstriker (Complete Champion) – Amaunator or Lathander
Silverhair Knight (Dragon #315) - Eilistraee
Silverstar (Faiths and Pantheons) – Selûne
Stormlord (Complete Divine, Faiths and Pantheons) – Talos
Stormcaster (Stormwrack) – Istishia, Talos
Strifeleader (Faiths and Pantheons) – Cyric
Sunmaster (Lost Empires of Faerûn) – Amaunator
Sun Soul Monk (City of Splendors: Waterdeep) – Lathander
Sword Dancer (Faiths and Pantheons) – Eilistraee, elf or half-elf
Talontar Blightlord (Unapproachable East) – Talona
Triadic Knight (Champions of Valor) – Ilmater, Torm, or Tyr
Techsmith (Faiths and Pantheons) – Gond
True Necromancer (Libris Mortis) - Kiaransalee or Velsharoon
Warpriest (Complete Divine) – Any
Watchknight of Helm (Candlekeep, HERE) – Helm
Waveservant (Faiths and Pantheons) – Umberlee
Wearer of Purple (Faiths and Pantheons) – Any evil (although gravitate towards Bane, Velsharoon, Gargauth or Falazure)
Whitehorn (Dragon #307) – Lurue
Windwalker (Faiths and Pantheons) – Shaundakul
Yathrinshee (Player's Guide to Faerûn) - Female Drow, Kiaransalee
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Edited by - Diffan on 16 Apr 2021 23:33:10
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LordofBones
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Posted - 02 Apr 2021 : 16:22:06
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Wearers of Purple generally gravitate to Bane, Velsharoon, Gargauth or Falazure in his Null aspect.
Talos is the obvious patron for stormcasters, given that every ability they get is basically "PAPA TALOS, LOOK HOW COOL WE ARE! JUST LIKE YOU!"
The Long Death don't venerate Shar. The order's patrons are Velsharoon, Kiaransalee and Loviatar, though the realmshelps website specifically mentions Velsharoon.
Entropomancers are all about nihilism, so Shar or Jergal.
Ravagers should worship Gargauth or Tempus.
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Diffan
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Posted - 02 Apr 2021 : 17:21:33
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Thank you for the clairifications. I always get Gargauth and Grumbar names mixed up. Because some of these allow for a lot of alignments and options, I added in the deities they're most likely to gravitate towards.
Am I missing any?
I did forget Yathrinshee, so I'll add them in. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 02 Apr 2021 : 21:14:58
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| The Justice of Weald and Woe class was written as being an Eldreth Veluuthra thing... But that always bugged me. Aside from the description, there's nothing that particularly ties it to that group. I think it could be used for any dedicated defender of elven homelands, not just the EV. |
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Diffan
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Posted - 02 Apr 2021 : 22:10:28
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
The Justice of Weald and Woe class was written as being an Eldreth Veluuthra thing... But that always bugged me. Aside from the description, there's nothing that particularly ties it to that group. I think it could be used for any dedicated defender of elven homelands, not just the EV.
I dunno, they're pretty vile and evil. Would Corellon condone such acts of aggression towards good, honest people? Maybe Shevarash because his followeres are Chaotic Good, Neutral, or Evil. |
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LordofBones
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Posted - 04 Apr 2021 : 01:36:49
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The ocular adept specifically mentions the Great Mother as the class's patron deity. Given that the Great Mother is completely insane, Gzemnid might be a better patron.
Also, the original ruby Knight vindicator served Wee Jas. I don't think simply changing the name works in this case, better patrons would be Mystra and Kelemvor, Myrkul and Velsharoon, as there is no specific deity of death and magic. Velsharoon and Mystra supply the magic (and death, Wee Jas allows the lawful creation of undead), Myrkul and Kelemvor death. After lawful Mystra and Myrkul bit it, Kelemvor and Velsharoon took them up, with a few still worshipping good Mystra and Myrkul.
From complete divine, divine oracles fit Savras really well. Dread witches primarily gravitate to Bane. Nightmare spinners prefer Bane and Loviatar. Pale masters and true necromancers are present among the faithful of Kiaransalee and Velsharoon. Master specialists tend to gravitate towards deities who best represent their respective schools (Savras for Divination, Bane, Sune or Sharess for Enchantment, Velsharoon for Necromancy, Azuth or Talos for Evocation, and so on). |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 04 Apr 2021 : 02:38:57
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Originally posted by Diffan
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
The Justice of Weald and Woe class was written as being an Eldreth Veluuthra thing... But that always bugged me. Aside from the description, there's nothing that particularly ties it to that group. I think it could be used for any dedicated defender of elven homelands, not just the EV.
I dunno, they're pretty vile and evil. Would Corellon condone such acts of aggression towards good, honest people? Maybe Shevarash because his followeres are Chaotic Good, Neutral, or Evil.
Aside from their connection to the EV, what is vile and evil about the class? They're sneaky, they can make good shots, and they can use poison. Poison doesn't have to be fatal, and nothing about the class is tied to an alignment.
This skillset could easily be used against anyone harming the woods or elves -- nothing in the class itself says they can only target certain races, and none of the abilities are tied to strictly evil actions.
And honestly, the class really isn't even tied to elves -- not mechanically. This would be a great class for an army scout of any race. Got an orc horde building up, menacing your borders? Send in a couple of these guys to snipe/harass the warlord and the leading shamans, and that horde is going to dissolve. Got some pesky Zhents threatening your homeland in the Dales? Put some debilitating but not fatal poison on a couple arrows, pop one into the commanding officer's backside and another into the mage standing next to the officer, and at the very least you've bought your people a few more days to prepare their defenses. |
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Diffan
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Posted - 04 Apr 2021 : 14:33:57
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Diffan
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
The Justice of Weald and Woe class was written as being an Eldreth Veluuthra thing... But that always bugged me. Aside from the description, there's nothing that particularly ties it to that group. I think it could be used for any dedicated defender of elven homelands, not just the EV.
I dunno, they're pretty vile and evil. Would Corellon condone such acts of aggression towards good, honest people? Maybe Shevarash because his followeres are Chaotic Good, Neutral, or Evil.
Aside from their connection to the EV, what is vile and evil about the class? They're sneaky, they can make good shots, and they can use poison. Poison doesn't have to be fatal, and nothing about the class is tied to an alignment.
This skillset could easily be used against anyone harming the woods or elves -- nothing in the class itself says they can only target certain races, and none of the abilities are tied to strictly evil actions.
And honestly, the class really isn't even tied to elves -- not mechanically. This would be a great class for an army scout of any race. Got an orc horde building up, menacing your borders? Send in a couple of these guys to snipe/harass the warlord and the leading shamans, and that horde is going to dissolve. Got some pesky Zhents threatening your homeland in the Dales? Put some debilitating but not fatal poison on a couple arrows, pop one into the commanding officer's backside and another into the mage standing next to the officer, and at the very least you've bought your people a few more days to prepare their defenses.
The prestige class, when giving it another look, isn't evil per-se I'll grant you that. It's really their connection to EV that does. The description above just lists that they serve the Elven Pantheon, gravitating towards Shevarash - elven god of Vengeance. Certainly you can play a CG or NG Justice of Weald and Woe as there's no Alignment played into the class. Heck, it's not even geard towards Elves. |
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Diffan
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Posted - 04 Apr 2021 : 14:46:25
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Originally posted by LordofBones
The ocular adept specifically mentions the Great Mother as the class's patron deity. Given that the Great Mother is completely insane, Gzemnid might be a better patron.
You're correct, I made the change above.
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Originally posted by LordofBones
Also, the original ruby Knight vindicator served Wee Jas. I don't think simply changing the name works in this case, better patrons would be Mystra and Kelemvor, Myrkul and Velsharoon, as there is no specific deity of death and magic.
Velsharoon and Mystra supply the magic (and death, Wee Jas allows the lawful creation of undead), Myrkul and Kelemvor death. After lawful Mystra and Myrkul bit it, Kelemvor and Velsharoon took them up, with a few still worshipping good Mystra and Myrkul.
I really gave this some thought, and the Prestige Class really has nothing to do with what Wee Jas does, as mentioned in the Tome of Battle. None of the Prestige Class features, save possibly the ability to be more stealthy, applies to her concepts or portfolios. What I felt it does do, is lend credence to tactics with stealth being a significant strategic boots on any battlefield. Using turning to eek out more of your divine spells - again felt like a very tactical option. Adding both divine spells and Martial Maneuvers feels more like something a combat-intensive deity would employ more than a goddess of death and magic.
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Originally posted by LordofBones
From complete divine, divine oracles fit Savras really well. Dread witches primarily gravitate to Bane. Nightmare spinners prefer Bane and Loviatar. Pale masters and true necromancers are present among the faithful of Kiaransalee and Velsharoon. Master specialists tend to gravitate towards deities who best represent their respective schools (Savras for Divination, Bane, Sune or Sharess for Enchantment, Velsharoon for Necromancy, Azuth or Talos for Evocation, and so on).
I hadn't added a bunch of those in, but will do so now. Thanks!! |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 04 Apr 2021 : 18:58:29
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Originally posted by Diffan
The prestige class, when giving it another look, isn't evil per-se I'll grant you that. It's really their connection to EV that does. The description above just lists that they serve the Elven Pantheon, gravitating towards Shevarash - elven god of Vengeance. Certainly you can play a CG or NG Justice of Weald and Woe as there's no Alignment played into the class. Heck, it's not even geard towards Elves.
I'm more than a little convinced the PrC was written independently of the book, and that the Eldreth Veluuthra connection was added just to make it thematically appropriate for the book.
I think the Thayan Gladiator, from the same book, could be readily disconnected from Thay. You need a mage to soup up the gladiator, but I think any place with regular gladiator matches would have at least one wizard or two capable of such magics. |
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Diffan
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Posted - 05 Apr 2021 : 17:53:53
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Diffan
The prestige class, when giving it another look, isn't evil per-se I'll grant you that. It's really their connection to EV that does. The description above just lists that they serve the Elven Pantheon, gravitating towards Shevarash - elven god of Vengeance. Certainly you can play a CG or NG Justice of Weald and Woe as there's no Alignment played into the class. Heck, it's not even geard towards Elves.
I'm more than a little convinced the PrC was written independently of the book, and that the Eldreth Veluuthra connection was added just to make it thematically appropriate for the book.
I think the Thayan Gladiator, from the same book, could be readily disconnected from Thay. You need a mage to soup up the gladiator, but I think any place with regular gladiator matches would have at least one wizard or two capable of such magics.
Agreed. A lot of the mechanical stuff thrown into both Eberron and Faerûn books felt like their placement was done solely to hit Paget markers and as an incentive to buy books purely for those reasons. 4e Operated in very similar fashion. Swordmages and Genasi apparently were Forgotten Realms things...who knew? |
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LordofBones
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Posted - 06 Apr 2021 : 12:16:58
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Agent Retriever - Gwaeron Windstrom, lawful powers in general
Acolyte of the Skin - any tanar'ri lord.
Arcane Lord - Azuth, Mystra, Savras, Velsharoon
Argent Savant - Azuth, Mystra, Talos
Blood Magus - Kanchelsis. I can't think of many Faerunian powers related to blood in general.
Divine Emissary - any power with a paladin order or allows paladins of honor/freedom/slaughter/tyranny
Effigy Master - Gond, Laduguer
Elemental Savant - the Gods of Fury, the Elemental Four
Enlightened Fist - any magic-related deity that's a patron to a monk order (Shar, Velsharoon, etc)
Epic Infiltrator - Mask, Cyric, Shar
Fatespinner - Savras, Beshaba, Tymora
Geometer - Deneir, Oghma, Azuth
Green Star Adept - hell if I know
Mage of the Arcane Order - Azuth, Mystra, Savras, Velsharoon, deities with specific magical orders other than the big four
Master Transmogrifist - Azuth, Mystra, Mask, Cyric
Mindbender - Bane
Seeker of the Song/Sublime Chord - Milil, Deneir
Wayfarer Guide - Shaundakul
Wild Mage - Mystra, Talos
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Demzer
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Posted - 06 Apr 2021 : 12:38:57
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Originally posted by LordofBones
Blood Magus - Kanchelsis. I can't think of many Faerunian powers related to blood in general.
Garagos, Bhaal, Loviatar, ... Ilmater?
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Green Star Adept - hell if I know
Tough one. Trying to think of any deity with ties to meteorite/comets and/or full body replacements. Gond might be one (emphasizing the discovery and experimentation aspect), Thoth another one for his blend of magic and technology in Mulhorand (if I remember correctly), going outside the human pantheon there might be a case for Dugmaren Brightmantle or Marthammor Duin of the Mordinsamman.
EDIT: for Ravagers, are you sure you want Gargauth (the ex-archdevil) and not Garagos (the multi-armed bloodthirsty demigod of massacres)? |
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LordofBones
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Posted - 06 Apr 2021 : 14:22:10
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I thought about those deities, but Garagos is a god of unchecked slaughter, Loviatar a goddess of torment and Bhaal a death god with a primary interest in murder. Blood magi don't really fit those categories as far as flavor text goes. I guess if you consider blood magic to be a subset of 'creepy magic', the closest would be Velsharoon.
Outside of that, the other go-to deity would be Afflux, from Libris Mortis.
EDIT: Oh hell, I mixed up Garagos and Gargauth. Yes, ravagers should worship Garagos. |
Edited by - LordofBones on 06 Apr 2021 14:23:08 |
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Diffan
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Posted - 06 Apr 2021 : 19:22:29
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Originally posted by LordofBones
I thought about those deities, but Garagos is a god of unchecked slaughter, Loviatar a goddess of torment and Bhaal a death god with a primary interest in murder. Blood magi don't really fit those categories as far as flavor text goes. I guess if you consider blood magic to be a subset of 'creepy magic', the closest would be Velsharoon.
This PrC always gave me the creepy playing with forbidden stuff vibe. Not sure why someone venerating Ilmater would create a Homunculus that can be given his wounds (should be the opposite honestly) and they're restricted from ever being Lawful-Good.
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Originally posted by LordofBones
Outside of that, the other go-to deity would be Afflux, from Libris Mortis.
EDIT: Oh hell, I mixed up Garagos and Gargauth. Yes, ravagers should worship Garagos.
I'll have to check out Afflux. And don't worry, Gargauth or Garagos or Grumbar all sound similar  |
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Prestige Classes and their Patrons
