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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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 Posted - 28 May 2020 : 19:30:35
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Just curious, because a lot of the Vil Adanrath words seem to be something that could be passed onto other areas of the realms because they are tied to the Feywild
. has anyone made a list of words that are common to the stuff from Chosen of Nendawen & Frost fell? Hoping that maybe Mark Sehestedt might actually be on here and he might have a list that he kept for himself.
BTW, not just interested in Lythari words... the hobgoblin language (such as guhnin) was also interesting.
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 30 May 2020 : 00:52:46
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I've tried to contact Mark Sehestedt a number of times with no success.
I think the FR Wiki has the words as part of their Elvish language section.
Basically, they are Native American words transposed onto the Realms, so I'm not a big fan.
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"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11690 Posts |
Posted - 30 May 2020 : 09:02:25
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Originally posted by George Krashos
I've tried to contact Mark Sehestedt a number of times with no success.
I think the FR Wiki has the words as part of their Elvish language section.
Basically, they are Native American words transposed onto the Realms, so I'm not a big fan.
-- George Krashos
didn't know that. Are you positive of that? I don't actually have too much of a problem with that, as basically much of the realms is simply English transposed to it. I know there's a LOT of different native American languages, so I'd wonder which one and if there's any kind of dictionary. I just searched for the first word that I recalled and I don't see it when I google it is why I ask.
However, thank you for the notes about Mark being hard to reach. I was hoping, but since I hadn't actually seen him.... Still, sometimes, I know people may use aliases. |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 30 May 2020 : 23:50:55
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| -Everything that was of their dialect in the Elven Dictionary that I compiled on CK is denoted as being of the Vil Adanrath/Eastern Lythari dialect. For what it's worth, I only read the first book of that series. Maybe the second too, honestly it's been so long I don't remember and the books didn't really stand out too much in the years since. For what it's worth, they were all completely foreign and had no connection to established Elven at all (which, I guess in context of who those Lythari were, would make sense). |
(A Tri-Partite Arcanist Who Has Forgotten More Than Most Will Ever Know)
Elves of Faerūn
Vol I- The Elves of Faerūn
Vol. III- Spells of the Elves
Vol. VI- Mechanical Compendium |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 31 May 2020 : 01:36:22
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Originally posted by Lord Karsus
-Everything that was of their dialect in the Elven Dictionary that I compiled on CK is denoted as being of the Vil Adanrath/Eastern Lythari dialect. For what it's worth, I only read the first book of that series. Maybe the second too, honestly it's been so long I don't remember and the books didn't really stand out too much in the years since. For what it's worth, they were all completely foreign and had no connection to established Elven at all (which, I guess in context of who those Lythari were, would make sense).
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if those Lythari and the Poscadari elves of Anchorome don't have more of a link than the vil adanrath have to any Faerunian elves. That's partly why I was interested in the words, because that may explain partly why the elves of evermeet have problems talking to them. Then again, I've also had other theories on that matter as well regarding a curse. |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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Posted - 31 May 2020 : 22:36:53
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Originally posted by sleyvas
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if those Lythari and the Poscadari elves of Anchorome don't have more of a link than the vil adanrath have to any Faerunian elves. That's partly why I was interested in the words, because that may explain partly why the elves of evermeet have problems talking to them. Then again, I've also had other theories on that matter as well regarding a curse.
-It could very well be that their language is closer to Sylvan, or some other derivative, Elven. |
(A Tri-Partite Arcanist Who Has Forgotten More Than Most Will Ever Know)
Elves of Faerūn
Vol I- The Elves of Faerūn
Vol. III- Spells of the Elves
Vol. VI- Mechanical Compendium |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 01 Jun 2020 : 12:01:24
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Originally posted by Lord Karsus
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Originally posted by sleyvas
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if those Lythari and the Poscadari elves of Anchorome don't have more of a link than the vil adanrath have to any Faerunian elves. That's partly why I was interested in the words, because that may explain partly why the elves of evermeet have problems talking to them. Then again, I've also had other theories on that matter as well regarding a curse.
-It could very well be that their language is closer to Sylvan, or some other derivative, Elven.
Yes, my thought is that they are ancient lythari - from a time before the moon and gold elves came from Faerie and that they speak their own version of sylvan.
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"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 01 Jun 2020 : 14:58:13
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Originally posted by George Krashos
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Originally posted by Lord Karsus
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Originally posted by sleyvas
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if those Lythari and the Poscadari elves of Anchorome don't have more of a link than the vil adanrath have to any Faerunian elves. That's partly why I was interested in the words, because that may explain partly why the elves of evermeet have problems talking to them. Then again, I've also had other theories on that matter as well regarding a curse.
-It could very well be that their language is closer to Sylvan, or some other derivative, Elven.
Yes, my thought is that they are ancient lythari - from a time before the moon and gold elves came from Faerie and that they speak their own version of sylvan.
-- George Krashos
I don't want to go there, because they're described as unnaturally tall and coming from a land of snow, so I'm picturing them as snow elves that ventured south (the Poscadari that is). However, I wouldn't be surprised if they actually had Lythari amongst their numbers that possibly came cross in any myriad of ways. Of course, I also picture a lot of avariel in anchorome too. All far in the norht mind you. |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 01 Jun 2020 : 22:10:56
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Oh, I'm talking about them in the Endless Wastes. There's no way in the world mine have ever gone anywhere near Anchorome or have any ties in that regard. They are a one-off aberration of the Realms.
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"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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cpthero2
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Sep 2020 : 07:51:53
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Master Krashos,
Just curious what led you to that belief as to Lythari? It seems more like Damaran to me, the way some of those words come across (very Hungarian sounding), such as: Amrulugek.
I'd love to hear more about this!
Best regads,
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6643 Posts |
Posted - 14 Sep 2020 : 11:45:53
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Master Krashos,
Just curious what led you to that belief as to Lythari? It seems more like Damaran to me, the way some of those words come across (very Hungarian sounding), such as: Amrulugek.
I'd love to hear more about this!
Best regads,
Considering we have been privy to a total of about eight Damaran words in published Realmslore to date, I'm not sure anything you hear can "sound Damaran" ...
And to explain, in the "Acknowledgements" section in the precursor book 'Frostfell', the author thanks fellow Dan Bassingthwaite for giving him a Tuscarora dictionary. The Tuscarora are Native American tribe of the Iroquoian language family.
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"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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cpthero2
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Sep 2020 : 17:30:40
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Master Krashos,
I appreciate the information about the 'Frostfell' book. I was going off of the sounds of the words, admittedly. The inflection, upon sounding some of the names from sites such as, https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Damaran_language, made it appear to me to be related to something such as Hungarian. The inflectional morphology is heavier on the prefixing it seems, and that lent credence (in my mind at least) to the language being more from that Baltic/Uralic base. When I looked up Damaran it said it was Baltic in root, so that's where I was pulling from. I'm no expert on language though, so it's great that you shared that bit from the acknowledgement section of 'Frostfell': thanks again.
I'm really interested in that too, as far as what he pulled the language selections from. I'm going to see if I can pick his brain on that more via Twitter, perhaps.
Best regards,
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