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prototype00
Acolyte
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 Posted - 29 Mar 2020 : 16:31:24
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Or both at different times in different societies?
The question I'm asking arose, as all the best questions do, when I was thinking about the backstory of a Half Orc Zealot Barbarian I wanted to play.
Now, historically speaking, Executioners in literally every society have been reviled and ostracized, forming the lowest conceivable caste everywhere from medieval Europe to Japan. In fact, I believe in Europe, there were even families of Executioners (because only the daughter of another executioner would marry such a damned soul) so I imagined that my Half Orc (already a race with some prejudice on it) could come from such a family.
So I was wondering what sort of god would accept such a profession in the Realms (does it also have the same stigma)? And of course, I alighted on Kelemvor (more emphasis on the transition and a "clean death" without any shame or undue pain) or Bane (the power to take life if it contravenes the spoken orders of The Strong).
Does Kelemvor accept the worship of Executioners? (I'm pretty sure Bane does, it even fits his aesthetic) The Wiki https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Kelemvor does not list them as one of the groups who offer him devotion.
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Gyor
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 29 Mar 2020 : 16:42:54
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Faerun is a polythiestic society so most likely both and others. It also depends on personality. If they are a d
Sadist they could even worship Lovitar or Bhaal. |
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AJA
Senior Scribe
USA
747 Posts |
Posted - 29 Mar 2020 : 17:32:01
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Executioners would look to Torm.
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LordofBones
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 29 Mar 2020 : 23:12:26
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| Torm, Helm and Bane are all valid choices. Sadism doesn't play much into it. |
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keftiu
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 29 Mar 2020 : 23:25:34
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I suppose it’s a matter of perspective for the executioner; do they see themself as an agent of law or an agent of death? Are those beneath their blade the unfortunate sacrifice necessary for the function of society, or contemptible scum they gladly rid the world of? Figure out their attitude and you’ll find their deity.
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Storyteller Hero
Learned Scribe
USA
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Delnyn
Senior Scribe
USA
889 Posts |
Posted - 31 Mar 2020 : 10:29:32
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Tyr would also fit as long as the execution was officially sanctioned and guilt lawfully confirmed. (The burden of proof may still lie on the accused in some legal systems, which is OK.) What Tyr or Torm or Amaunator would not sanction is a dramatic outdoor show meant to entertain the masses in a bloodthirsty orgy of violence. The example that comes to mind is one of the Rob Salvatore books describing Wulfgar as one of several people to be executed in Luskan. The event was dubbed a "Carnival". The official in charge would work the crowd into a frenzy and really ham it up with his oratory. I forgot which book it was.
Bane would have probably enjoyed the Carnival, but Tyr, Torm and Amaunator would just want the criminal executed without further ado. I think they would have been put off by the bread and circus atmosphere. |
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Copper Elven Vampire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 31 Mar 2020 : 21:26:57
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| I would say it depends on their alignment and moral compass. |
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bloodtide_the_red
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 05 Apr 2020 : 04:09:34
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Executioners in the Realms don't have the same stigma that ''everywhere" on Earth does. And Earth has a LOT of cultures.
An Executioner, like any body, can be any type of person of any alignment...so that opens a lot of gods. Though typically most will be ''Lawful'', but they don't have to be. The typical drow Executioner for example is chaotic evil.
Bane, Torm, Tyr, Kelvmore and Helm are the more obvious choices for worship. |
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LordofBones
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 05 Apr 2020 : 09:31:24
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| I guess you could include pre-3e Bhaal, back when he presided over all aspects of death. |
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
United Kingdom
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6645 Posts |
Posted - 05 Apr 2020 : 14:10:55
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A job's a job. Other than Eldath, I reckon an executioner can worship any deity.
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"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 05 Apr 2020 : 17:09:12
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Originally posted by George Krashos
A job's a job. Other than Eldath, I reckon an executioner can worship any deity.
-- George Krashos
I dunno, I think Ilmatar, Lliira, and Sune would be unlikely candidates, too. And Lathander, especially -- hard to get that second chance when you're dead. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 06 Apr 2020 : 00:05:39
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by George Krashos
A job's a job. Other than Eldath, I reckon an executioner can worship any deity.
-- George Krashos
I dunno, I think Ilmatar, Lliira, and Sune would be unlikely candidates, too. And Lathander, especially -- hard to get that second chance when you're dead.
Given that executions, back in the day, were usually the culmination of a torture process, I can see an Ilmatari worshipper justifying it as "easing suffering". You could do it as a Sune worshipper, but only if you were killing ugly people and for a Lliira-worshipping sociopath, there's definitely great joy in killing.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 06 Apr 2020 : 02:36:49
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Originally posted by George Krashos
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by George Krashos
A job's a job. Other than Eldath, I reckon an executioner can worship any deity.
-- George Krashos
I dunno, I think Ilmatar, Lliira, and Sune would be unlikely candidates, too. And Lathander, especially -- hard to get that second chance when you're dead.
Given that executions, back in the day, were usually the culmination of a torture process, I can see an Ilmatari worshipper justifying it as "easing suffering". You could do it as a Sune worshipper, but only if you were killing ugly people and for a Lliira-worshipping sociopath, there's definitely great joy in killing.
-- George Krashos
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Apr 2020 : 05:40:48
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Bane. Bhaal. Myrkul. Talos. Shar.
Folk of the Realms accept the entire Faerunian pantheon.
In Evil societies the choice is clear, criminals and offenders and dissenters and deadweights and random victims must be removed or sacrificed, name a god and execute the offering.
In Good societies these deities are not as readily embraced. But offerings are still made to appease Talos and avert his storms. Prayers are still sent to Shar so that she may grant forgetfulness by taking away painful memories. Each of the Evil gods can be invoked for non-Evil purposes.
And in most societies it's not quite so black and white. Temples and shrines are dedicated to a variety of Good and Evil and Neutral deities. A noble and impartial paladin magistrate might abide by Tyr's justice when condemning a criminal, and execute the sentence (in the name of his god) personally. Or Selune's priestess might invoke a ritual hunt where the condemned might escape or might get eaten by lycanthropes (as the goddess wills it). A merchant lord might offer a bounty from Waukeen to the first assassin who can do the job. Tempus might be called to judge a criminal permitted to fight and live or die in an arena. Grumbar could be called to witness a public stoning.
Eldath, Ilmater, and Sune are unlikely deities to involve in an execution. But angry mobs vs heinous criminals will always find ways to explain necessary actions within the context of their prevailing belief system. |
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