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redking
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Posted - 19 Jan 2020 :  14:10:16  Show Profile Send redking a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Historically a "courtier" was someone in attendance at the court of a monarch.

In the realms, the word "courtesan" is used quite a bit, and what we are really talking about is a fancy prostitute 'high-class hooker', right?

I forget which book it was, but I think it was one of the Arilyn Moonblade books, there was a courtesan dating one of the Lords of Waterdeep. Memory is a big foggy, but he didn't have any issues with dating a hooker sex worker?

Edited by - redking on 20 Jan 2020 05:29:36

Kentinal
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Posted - 19 Jan 2020 :  15:42:09  Show Profile Send Kentinal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
courtesan has three meanings.

(archaic) A woman of a royal or noble court.
(dated) The mistress of a royal or noble.
A prostitute, especially one with high-status or wealthy clients.


The modern or current should not apply to the Realms. I would use for the realms a woman of the court. In the case of the Lord the mistress might be the better definition. Not that it is impossible a Lord would not date a prostitute, I just do not believe that was the case.

"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon
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AJA
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Posted - 19 Jan 2020 :  19:09:27  Show Profile Send AJA a Private Message  Reply with Quote

( first post, http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5812&whichpage=34 )
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Originally posted by Ed Greenwood, via THO
Hi again, fellow scribes. Ed makes reply this time to Jamallo Kreen’s query: “Aside from bards and courtiers, are there courtesans in the Realms who are not prostitutes, but who simply serve as professional entertainers, companions, and/or escorts? If so, who have been the famous ones in Realms history, the ones about whom poems have been written and songs sung? From our European history, although they undoubtedly prostituted themselves, Aspasia and Phryne spring to mind from Greece, and also Veronica Franco, The Honest Courtesan of Venice. Who would be their Realms counterparts?”
Ed speaks:


Yes, there are (and have been) many courtesans, on various official payrolls around the Realms (notably in Calimshan, Tethyr, Amn, Waterdeep [see my posts on Shyrrhr, earlier in this thread], Silverymoon, Iriaebor, Cormyr, and Alaghôn, just to name a few places off the top of my head), who are professional entertainers, companions, escorts, and/or hostesses to visitors “to court.” (And not prostitutes, at least until age robs them of their looks and effectiveness, and they lose their positions.) Most lordlings of small independent cities employ and highly value such persons, who may also serve as the commanders of their spies (and even their lovers). A handful are such skillful manipulators that the rulers serve them more than they serve the rulers.
The most effective of these courtesans keep low profiles, of course, becoming famous only as word of them spreads, and therefore the famous ones are all dead. They include the Veiled Dancer of Calimport (name forgotten, but immortalized in the anonymously-composed ballad of the same name, each verse of which ends with the improbable appearance of the dancer, silently dancing: across a battlefield, in a moonlit glade where lovers are trysting, on thin air outside a castle turret window hundreds of feet in the air, out from behind a throne where a king has just been slain, out of the door of a long-sealed crypt when it’s opened to put that dead king to rest, and so on), who flourished over four centuries ago; Tharlaskra of the Bells, who dwelt in Athkatla and chimed gently as she moved, due to the many tiny bells affixed via piercings to her skin (the focus of the ballad “She Rings Her Bells For Me” by the now-dead bard Muraevus “Merrysong” Ruroerlar); Dayatharra of Luskan, who was loved by many seacaptains of old, and is remembered in several ballads, including the famous “Sailing Back Home to Love” by the bard Breldur Arskitarr of Neverwinter; and Joysarra of Zazesspur, who is the “Lady of the Haunting Eyes” in the ballad of that name by the minstrel Ronsil Haeladtongue of Zazesspur.

( 27 Mar 2005 reply, http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3684&whichpage=24 )
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Originally posted by Ed Greenwood, via THO
Skeptic, the Lady Naneatha Lhaurilstar is one of four well-established courtesans of Waterdeep - - by which I mean the four senior (out of a dozen or so) professional hostesses paid by the Palace to give house room and companionship to visiting VIPS (trade envoys, wealthy investors, important merchants and sometimes priests, rulers and courtiers). All of these senior courtesans (Larissa Neathal is another; she’s detailed on page 70 of the Campaign Guide booklet in the CITY OF SPLENDORS boxed set) are styled “Lady of Waterdeep” and accorded personal arms (heraldic blazons) and status as if they were heads of noble Houses of Waterdeep. Their role often (but needn’t) involves sexually pleasing their guests; they function more as guides to the city, networking facilitators (escorting their guests to the right feasts, revels, and private dinners and meetings; and performing introductions), friendly companions, and sources of food, lodgings, coaches, laundry facilities, servants’ lodgings for their guests.
The intent is to foster friendships, so their guests will “think well” of Waterdeep, and confide in the courtesans, too (all of them of course being spies for the Palace, mind-protected by the Blackstaff’s spells - - and monitored from afar by duty apprentices of Blackstaff Tower, when ‘working’ - - to prevent their being subverted by hostile magic or mental powers of guests).


quote:
Originally posted by redking
Memory is a big foggy, but he didn't have any issues with dating a hooker?

Why would he?


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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 19 Jan 2020 :  19:18:10  Show Profile Send Dalor Darden a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I don’t think prostitute fits the courtesan in question.

But as to why someone wouldn’t want to date someone with multiple partners it is likely a question of intimacy and affection...as in not wanting to share and having someone to be their own.

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keftiu
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Posted - 19 Jan 2020 :  20:22:56  Show Profile Send keftiu a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Can we please not say "hooker?" Sex worker is the term.

4e fangirl. Here to queer up the Realms.
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redking
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Posted - 20 Jan 2020 :  05:33:15  Show Profile Send redking a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Was Lucia Thione a sex worker? IIRC, she was the "courtesan" dating a Lord of Waterdeep.
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Kentinal
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Posted - 20 Jan 2020 :  08:44:50  Show Profile Send Kentinal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Lucia was a distant cousin of the Tethyrian royal family
from https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Lucia_Thione-Hhune no indication there of employment of any kind except
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Lucia for her part had never loved Inselm, and the only reason for their marriage was her chance to become a duchess of Tethyr and regain her lost status within the Knights' ranks.

"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon
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Seravin
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Posted - 20 Jan 2020 :  22:34:18  Show Profile Send Seravin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Larissa Neathal is the Lord of Waterdeep that was a courtesan, if memory serves. I think she had sexual relations with Lord Hhune and got captured/injured the morning after?
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