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keftiu
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 Posted - 17 Dec 2019 : 23:21:52
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In the 2e era, the Karanoks are presented as the insane and cruel masters of Luthcheq, unambiguously monstrous cultists of Entropy who do little more than terrify their subjects and slaughter mages to feed their assumed god. Come the Spellplague, we see the heroic Ishual Karanok unite Chessenta, become widely beloved, and lift the death penalty on magic, and I believe granddaughter(?) Shala Karanok seems to be even-keeled, sane, and respectable. What caused this shift? Is there anything in canoj on this?
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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Posted - 18 Dec 2019 : 01:22:07
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| Another thing to note is that a dungeon #178 magazine article on Chessenta has Entropy actually not in the city any longer and instead devouring large tracts of Chessentan Land. In theory, the sundering must have "put Entropy back in his box". Which brings up the question of "what happened to the land that he destroyed? Did something else come in to replace it?" |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
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Zeromaru X
Great Reader
Colombia
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Posted - 18 Dec 2019 : 02:09:53
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Guess that Ishual was just a sane guy and he "transmitted" sanity to his descendants? But no, there is no canon info about this change, beyond that the Karanoks of the 1400s are not the madmen of the past.
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Originally posted by sleyvas
Another thing to note is that a dungeon #178 magazine article on Chessenta has Entropy actually not in the city any longer and instead devouring large tracts of Chessentan Land. In theory, the sundering must have "put Entropy back in his box". Which brings up the question of "what happened to the land that he destroyed? Did something else come in to replace it?"
Either there is a huge hole there (a normal hole? Or a more interesting hole in the fabric of the planes that leads to another dimension?), or Ao asked Grumbar to fill that land with new earth (as Grumbar is now the Realms' janitor). |
Instead of seeking change, you prefer a void, merciless abyss of a world... |
Edited by - Zeromaru X on 18 Dec 2019 02:11:18 |
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keftiu
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 18 Dec 2019 : 02:56:07
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Originally posted by sleyvas
Another thing to note is that a dungeon #178 magazine article on Chessenta has Entropy actually not in the city any longer and instead devouring large tracts of Chessentan Land. In theory, the sundering must have "put Entropy back in his box". Which brings up the question of "what happened to the land that he destroyed? Did something else come in to replace it?"
There’s a canon conflict, as the FRCG describes Entropy as reduced to a tiny orb that orbits Shala’s head as the Crown Jewel of Chessenta. |
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Zeromaru X
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Colombia
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Posted - 18 Dec 2019 : 03:15:47
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You should check Dungeon 178. There is an article about Chessenta, and there is a sort of micro black hole there, in the area known as the Maw of the God Swallower. According to the article, this region is related to Entropy.
EDIT: After a quick re-read of the Backdrop: Chessenta article, Entropy was freed from the orb of annihilation during the Spellplague (this explain why the item's proprieties changed), and now is located in the Maw of the God Swallower. So, the Crown Jewel of Chessenta is just a common orb of annihilation during the 4e era. |
Instead of seeking change, you prefer a void, merciless abyss of a world... |
Edited by - Zeromaru X on 18 Dec 2019 03:24:45 |
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keftiu
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 18 Dec 2019 : 04:28:36
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Originally posted by Zeromaru X
You should check Dungeon 178. There is an article about Chessenta, and there is a sort of micro black hole there, in the area known as the Maw of the God Swallower. According to the article, this region is related to Entropy.
EDIT: After a quick re-read of the Backdrop: Chessenta article, Entropy was freed from the orb of annihilation during the Spellplague (this explain why the item's proprieties changed), and now is located in the Maw of the God Swallower. So, the Crown Jewel of Chessenta is just a common orb of annihilation during the 4e era.
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 18 Dec 2019 : 23:21:00
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Originally posted by Zeromaru X
Guess that Ishual was just a sane guy and he "transmitted" sanity to his descendants? But no, there is no canon info about this change, beyond that the Karanoks of the 1400s are not the madmen of the past.
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Originally posted by sleyvas
Another thing to note is that a dungeon #178 magazine article on Chessenta has Entropy actually not in the city any longer and instead devouring large tracts of Chessentan Land. In theory, the sundering must have "put Entropy back in his box". Which brings up the question of "what happened to the land that he destroyed? Did something else come in to replace it?"
Either there is a huge hole there (a normal hole? Or a more interesting hole in the fabric of the planes that leads to another dimension?), or Ao asked Grumbar to fill that land with new earth (as Grumbar is now the Realms' janitor).
If they just refill it, I kind of feel like they're not using a valid opportunity, in that THAT particular area even prior to the spellplague had been kind of "blank". I think it might be interesting if say more people from Abeir come over (i.e. maybe more dragonborn or maybe a new group of genasi freed from Kashimis with different viewpoints entirely)… or maybe another direction, since Chessenta does have some ties to shadow as well (look at shadowstone the novel)… maybe something to do with that (less fond of the last idea personally). Going another direction, since the nearby mountains and valleys are filled with dinosaurs, perhaps some "saurial" type residents of Abeir coming over might make sense (or even just more dinosaurs). |
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cpthero2
Great Reader
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Posted - 24 Feb 2020 : 15:48:47
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Great Reader sleyvas,
They could also go old school and just use two wizards to cast greater mage hand, have two bags of holding moved towards the Maw, and then place in the other, boom: gate to the Astral Plane where that Maw was.
Thoughts?
Best regards,
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Originally posted by sleyvas
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Originally posted by Zeromaru X
Guess that Ishual was just a sane guy and he "transmitted" sanity to his descendants? But no, there is no canon info about this change, beyond that the Karanoks of the 1400s are not the madmen of the past.
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Originally posted by sleyvas
Another thing to note is that a dungeon #178 magazine article on Chessenta has Entropy actually not in the city any longer and instead devouring large tracts of Chessentan Land. In theory, the sundering must have "put Entropy back in his box". Which brings up the question of "what happened to the land that he destroyed? Did something else come in to replace it?"
Either there is a huge hole there (a normal hole? Or a more interesting hole in the fabric of the planes that leads to another dimension?), or Ao asked Grumbar to fill that land with new earth (as Grumbar is now the Realms' janitor).
If they just refill it, I kind of feel like they're not using a valid opportunity, in that THAT particular area even prior to the spellplague had been kind of "blank". I think it might be interesting if say more people from Abeir come over (i.e. maybe more dragonborn or maybe a new group of genasi freed from Kashimis with different viewpoints entirely)… or maybe another direction, since Chessenta does have some ties to shadow as well (look at shadowstone the novel)… maybe something to do with that (less fond of the last idea personally). Going another direction, since the nearby mountains and valleys are filled with dinosaurs, perhaps some "saurial" type residents of Abeir coming over might make sense (or even just more dinosaurs).
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PattPlays
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 31 Jul 2020 : 03:27:58
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Great Reader sleyvas,
They could also go old school and just use two wizards to cast greater mage hand, have two bags of holding moved towards the Maw, and then place in the other, boom: gate to the Astral Plane where that Maw was.
Thoughts?
Best regards,
Well, now I'm upset that all of my wonderful maps I have amassed from the forum don't have this lovely hole inside Chessenta.
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/forgottenrealms/images/9/94/Chessenta_-_1480_DR_-_Mike_Schaley.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/350?cb=20110221230225
And with 5e having no maps east of Anauroch, I don't know if the artist of any future expansion will even have heard of the maw of the god swallower by the time they get around to updating that region.
What I am more interested in is how deep that gorge went into the world.
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Plagueland
If the land returned to normal, did it fill in? There isn't a scale on that map but it would be likely around.. wow 100 miles across.
But how deep? I'm a bit of an underdark/underground freak so I'm curious.
Hello future researchers looking up the term " Maw of the god swallower " though!
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 31 Jul 2020 : 12:44:05
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For the maw of the god swallower on a map
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Chessenta
Its from a dungeon magazine article on Chessenta during the 4e era. Whether its gone or not now, dunno… but in general the area that it was placed within in Chessenta never had anything there previously (it was kind of a blank area). As to size, there's no idea given as to how deep into the ground that this went or how high above it it extended. Here's the description from Dungeon #178. Map is also in that product.
Maw of the God Swallower: Few places in all Faerűn are as feared as this expansive region of plagueland in south-central Chessenta. Unlike other pockets of Spellplague that distort terrain or bend natural laws, the Maw of the God Swallower is a growing cyst of utter annihilation. At its periphery, the sky darkens suddenly and the soil underfoot crumbles away to dust. Moving farther in, the scarred landscape suddenly falls away like a great penetrating wound carved into the soul of the world. At the heart of the void, suspended above the nothingness, hangs Entropy, the mere sight of which is said to shatter a mortal mind.
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Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
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cpthero2
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 13 Sep 2020 : 23:05:02
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Learned Scribe PattysPlay,
Do you have another URL for that first link? It is coming up as unavailable.
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Delnyn
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 13 Sep 2020 : 23:59:21
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Originally posted by sleyvas
Another thing to note is that a dungeon #178 magazine article on Chessenta has Entropy actually not in the city any longer and instead devouring large tracts of Chessentan Land. In theory, the sundering must have "put Entropy back in his box". Which brings up the question of "what happened to the land that he destroyed? Did something else come in to replace it?"
So far all we know, the Maw could be a giant planar rift to gods-know-where. Also, wasn't Entropy an alias Tiamat was using? If so, you can set Tyranny of Dragons in Chessenta and just let Tiamat waltz right into Chessenta. No ceremony or arcane help needed.  |
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cpthero2
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Sep 2020 : 00:10:18
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Learned Scribe Delnyn,
Entropy, which was a primordial, was an aspect of Tiamat prior to the Spellplague, but then I believe reverted back to full on primordial status upon being freed after Mystra was killed.
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PattPlays
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Posted - 14 Sep 2020 : 00:49:32
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Learned Scribe PattysPlay,
Do you have another URL for that first link? It is coming up as unavailable.
Best regards,
Twas the same as silvas' I believe. |
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Delnyn
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Posted - 14 Sep 2020 : 00:49:42
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Thanks Master cpthero2,
Makes me wonder in that case for which side(s) did Entropy fight in the Dawn Wars, the Dawn Titans or the Estelar? Maybe Entropy played both sides.
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Learned Scribe Delnyn,
Entropy, which was a primordial, was an aspect of Tiamat prior to the Spellplague, but then I believe reverted back to full on primordial status upon being freed after Mystra was killed.
Best regards,
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cpthero2
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Posted - 14 Sep 2020 : 02:23:13
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Learned Scribe Delnyn,
I believe that Entropy didn't fight (I could be wrong, just going off of memory here). When it was turned into a sphere of annihilation, it was effectively sidelined, as far as I know. For example, Erek-Hus specifically fought against the gods and was destroyed. It seemed like it was pretty cut and dry as far as the fighting goes, which is why my best thought is that Ao, upon remanding Entropy to the effective prison of that sphere, knew Entropy would be the bully for the gods to do their jobs or get destroyed. So, based on that, I think Entropy was just in limbo at that point in time.
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The shift in the Karanok family
