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Eli the Tanner
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Posted - 14 Jun 2017 :  14:48:52  Show Profile  Visit Eli the Tanner's Homepage Send Eli the Tanner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here's a list I made a while back, which I have posted elsewhere before but might be good to share here too. It's based on 3,ex stats and probably incomplete. If you there are any missing let me know.

Warriors (circa 1370's)

Please note: These totals are BAB, not CR.

25 Shuruppak (NE male human Ftr20/Rog3/Wiz7) (p304 Epic Level Handbook)

23 Gareth Dragonsbane, King of Damara (LG male human Pal20/Clr5 of Ilmater) (p108 FRCS)

22 Sraece Telthorn (CN male human Ftr16/Swashbuckler 7) (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/frcc/20070613)

21 Dabron Sashenstar (CG male Tethyrian human Ftr8/Rgr10/Merchant Prince 5) (p82 Power of Faerun)
21 Dove Falconhand, Chosen of Mystra (CG female human Rgr14/Sor9/Rog4/Harper agent 1) (p280 FRCS)
21 Rassendyll Uoumdolhin, High Blade of Mulmaster (NE male Damaran human Ftr20/Rgr2) (p94 Mysteries of the Moonsea)
21 Rethnor, High Captain of Luskan (LE male human Ftr16/Rog7) (p155 Lords of Darkness)
21 Yder Tanthul, Prince of Shade (NE male shade Ftr11/Sor12/Shadow adept 4/Divine champion 4) (p156 Shadowdale: The Scouring of the Land)

20 Eltan, Grand Duke of Baldur’s Gate (LN male human Ftr20) (p225 FRCS)
20 Hykros Allumen (LG male Illuskan human Pal20 of Tyr) (p47 City of Splendors: Waterdeep)
20 Jhorrgel the Black, Master of the Old Lodge (CN male human Bbn20) (p147 Unapproachable East)
20 Laharin Goldbeard, Master of the Knights of Samular (LG Illuskan male human Pal20 of Tyr) (p45 City of Splendors: Waterdeep)
20 Narandil Greatshield, Lord-General of Glarondar (LN male half-elf Ftr20) (p108 Unapproachable East)
20 Omis Dohor (LN male half-elf Mnk30) (Icewind Dale II)
20 Texter the Paladin, Masked Lord of Waterdeep (Male Chondathan human Pal20 of Tyr) (p55 City of Splendors: Waterdeep)
20 Vaerana Hawklyn (CG female human Rgr20) (p143 FRCS)


19 Aglarel Tanthul, Prince of Shade (NE male Shade human Sor10/Ftr10/Clr6/Shadow adept 2) (p84 Lords of Darkness)
19 Eldrith the Betrayer (LE female human Pal9/Blackguard 10) (p114 Dragon 296)
19 Hippartes, King of Akanax (LN male human Ftr19) (p183 FRCS)
19 Kaanyr Vhok, the Sceptered One (CE male Illuskan human half-fiend Ftr16/Sor6) (p130 Power of Faerun)

18 Cavatina Xarann, Darksong Knight (CG female drow Ftr8/Clr14) (p37 Expedition to Undermountain)
18 Chergon Holvik (LG male human Ftr8/Knight of the Flying Hunt 10) (p87 Champions of Valor)
18 Daelegoth Orndeir, Sunlord (LN fire genasi Clr10/Evangelist 5/Sunmaster) (p59 Power of Faerun)
18 Durnan the Wanderer (NG male Illuskan human Ftr18) (p44 Expedition to Undermountain)
18 Elminster, Sage of Shadowdale (CG male human Chosen of Mystra Ftr1/Rog2/Clr3/Wiz24/Acm5) (p291 Epic level Handbook)
18 Engarth, War Captain (LG male Damaran human Rgr2/Pal9/Triadic knight 7) (p92 Champions of Valor)
18 Erthaer Javilarhhsson, Baron (CG male Illuskan human ghost Rgr13/Dread commando 5) (p99 Power of Faerun)
18 Harlakh Doroaver, King of Swords (CN male Halruuan human Ftr18) (p152 Power of Faerun)
18 Jardwim (NG male Illuskan human Ftr15/Gray Hand enforcer 3) (p38 City of Splendors: Waterdeep)
18 Jarlaxle (Male drow Swashbuckler 18) (p161 Underdark) (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/frcc/20070613)
18 Pherix Traeleth (CG male otherworldly star elf human Warlock 8/Mindbender 1/Hellfire warlock/Master of the Yuirwood 10/Enlightened spirit 6) (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/frcc/20070328)
18 Skoalam Marlgrask (CN male Chessentan human Swashbuckler 18) (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/frcc/20070613)
18 Volas Dyervolk the Bear, Iron Lord (CG male human Bbn18) (p144 Unapproachable East)


17 Artor Morlin, Baron of Blood (LE male Tethyrian human vampire Ftr13/Blackguard 3/Master vampire 3) (p72 Dungeon 128)
17 Charles O’Kan (LN male human Ftr17) (p215 FRCS)
17 Dhelt, Lord of Elturel (LG male human Pal17 of Helm) (p227 FRCS)
17 Dervila Greenbow (CG female half-elf Rgr11/Master of the Yuirwood 8) (p110 Unapproachable East)
17 Harbromm, King of Citadel Adbar (LG male shield dwarf Ftr10/Dwarven defender 7) (p71 Silver Marches)
17 Iyraclea, the Ice Queen (NE female human Clrr15/Divine disciple 5/Heriophant 5 of Auril) (p302 Epic level Handbook)
17 Mirthal Aendryr, Duke of Durmista (N male wild elf Ftr10/Rog10) (p124 Lost Empires of Faerun)
17 Tarngardt Steelshadow VII, King of Gracklstugh (LE male duergar Ftr17) (p212 FRCS)
17 Thessaloni Canos, Tharchion of the Alaor (LE female human Ftr17) (p151 Unapproachable East)
17 Thomwaith De’Krestin (N male Chondathan human Crusader 17) (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/frcc/20070911)


16 Artemis Entreri (LE male human Rog4/Rgr1/Ftr12/Asn1) (p158 FRCS)
16 Autharch Ithrash (LE male human Ftr9/Rog4/Blackguard 4) (p168 Unapproachable East)
16 Avjianos Greatspan (CG male avariel Warblade 10/Eternal blade 6) (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/frcc/20070911)
16 Burtrar Malith (NE male Chondathan human Ftr16) (p127 Power of Faerun)
16 Brian the Swordmaster (NG male human Ftr4/Exp16) (p53 Waterdeep: City of Splendors)
16 Cyrvisnea (LE female ogre mage Ftr16) (p43 Power of Faerun)
16 Dipren Qarto, Captain of Eltabbar guard (LE male human Ftr16) (p169 Unapproachable East)
16 Drizzt Do’Urden (CG male drow Ftr10/Bbn1/Rgr5) (p177 FRCS)
16 Earlraun Shadowlyn, Moonlord (CG male half-elf Rgr16) (p76 Silver Marches)
16 Eishaera Sashenstar (NG female human Exp16/Merchant princess 5) (p83 Power of Faerun)
16 Emerus Warcrown, King of Citadel Felbarr (LG male shield dwarf Ftr16) (p68 Silver Marches)
16 Erevis Cale, Chosen of Mask (N male human Shade Rog6/Ftr3/Clr11/Divine Disciple 2) (http://www.candlekeep.com/library/articles/erevis-35.htm)
16 Gargan the Dispossessed (CG male goliath Bbn1/Rgr6/Goliath liberator/Tempest 5) (http://www.candlekeep.com/library/lore.htm) (The Fox and the Dispossessed, Part 2)
16 Hovor Seawind, High Captain (CG male half-elf Ftr4/Rog6/Aglorondan griffonrider 8) (p85 Unapproachable East)
16 Jhesentel Firetalon (CG female Damaran human Ftr16) (p95 Champions of Valor)
16 Khumarr (CE male drow Ftr7/Blk4/Divine champion 5 of Kiaransalee) (p154 City of the Spider Queen)
16 Kriben Vantur, Captain of Escalant Guard (LE male human Ftr16) (p169 Unapproachable East)
16 Redeye (CE male lizardfolk Bbn11/Divine champion 5 of Talos) (p224 FRCS)
16 Rayanna the Rose (LN female human Ftr16) (p104 Champions of Valor)
16 Ryld Agrith, Master of Melee-Magthere (CN male drow Rog2/Ftr15) (p86 Dragon 312)
16 Storm Silverhand, Chosen of Mystra (CG female human Rog1/Ftr4/Sor12/Brd8/Harper Agent 3) (p292 Epic Level Handbook)
16 Thalaman Harthgroth (N male human Bar5/Ftr11) (p138 FRCS)
16 Thaltor Blacksaddle, Baron of Blacksaddle (LN male Damaran human Ftr16) (135 Power of Faerun)
16 Tlinthar Regheriad, High Dawnknight (LG male Illuskan human Pal16 of Lathander) (p55 Power of Faerun)
16 Yldar Nathalan (CG male sun elf swashbuckler 3/bladesong duskblade 13) (http://www.candlekeep.com/library/lore.htm) (The Greater Treasure: A Heart of Darkness and Ynloth's Legacy)

15 Ankh-Malar, Chosen of Malar (CE male human Bbn15) (p87 Dungeon #129)
15 Ayesunder Truesilver(LG male human Ftr15) (p35 Dungeon #113)
15 Azhir Kren, Tharchion of Gauros (NE female human Ftr15) (p152 Unapproachable East)
15 Baltir Merivolst (LG male human Ftr7/Knight of the Flying Hunt 8) (p87 Champions of Valor)
15 Cadderly Bonaduce (NG male human Clr20) (http://ww2.wizards.com/Books/Wizards/?doc=fr_deneir)
15 Daeghun Farlong (N male elf Rgr15) (Neverwinter Nights 2)
15 Esterelve (LN male Chondathan human Ftr8/Cavalier 7) (p95 Champions of Valor)
15 Furifax (LE male moon half-elf Ftr15) (p187 FRCS)
15 Gelgar Talonguard (LN male human Rgr15) (p110 FRCS)
15 Greila Sontoin(LN femal human Clr20) (p139 Shining South)
15 Heldel Thasstan (CG male human Clr20) (p95 Champions of Valor)
15 Helm Dwarf-friend (NG male human Ftr10/Rgr5) (p67 Silver Marches)
15 Homen Odesseiron, Tharchion of Surhay (LE male human Evo6/Red Wizard 1/Ftr12) (p156 Unapproachable East)
15 Keshna Finlothleer, Grand Master of Shadows (NE female human Rogue 9/Assassin 4/Telflammar shadowlord 9)(p184 Unapproachable East)
15 Limbrar, War Captain (LG male human Mnk5/Pal12 of Ilmater) (p92 Champions of Valor)
15 Madeiron Sunderstone (LG male Illuskan human Pal15) (p34 City of Splendors)
15 Mhaelori, Swordcaptain (CG male half-Illuskan human-moon elf Rgr6/Wildrunner 9) (p100 Power of Faerun)
15 King Osaw I the Wise, Chosen of Ubtao (LG male human Pal15 of Ubtao) (p108 FRCS)
15 Pheszeltan (N male human Drd17/Divine disciple 4 of Silvanus) (p223 FRCS)
15 Scyllua Darkhope (LE female Chondathan human Pal5/Rgr4/Blk6 of Bane) (p136 Shadowdale: scouring of the dale)
15 Sess’sth (CN male lizardfolk Bbn13/Tribal Protector 2) (p114 Dragon #296)
15 Stavar (LG male human Ftr10/Purple Dragon knight 5) (p113 FRCS)
15 Szass Tam, Zulkir of Necromancy (NE male human lich Nec10/Red wizard 17/Archmage 2) (p297 Epic level Handbook)
15 Talindra Amalith (CN female wild elf Bbn15) (p79 Champions of Ruins)
15 Tilgath (LN female Untheri human Clr16/Ftr3) (74 Dragons of Faerun)
15 Triel Baenre, Matron Mother (CE female drow Clr20) (p161 Underdark)
15 Yanseldra (NG female human Ftr11/Sor8) (p143 FRCS)

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Ayrik
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Posted - 16 Jun 2017 :  04:09:27  Show Profile Send Ayrik a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Quite a list - and canon be damned! - I'm entirely disinclined to consider Elminster a fighter, lol.

Given the vague assumption that characters level 18+ are literally one-in-a-million individuals, this list (which only includes warriors) already suggests a total Realms population of over 33 million souls, lol.

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Posted - 16 Jun 2017 :  08:51:02  Show Profile Send KanzenAU a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik

Quite a list - and canon be damned! - I'm entirely disinclined to consider Elminster a fighter, lol.

Given the vague assumption that characters level 18+ are literally one-in-a-million individuals, this list (which only includes warriors) already suggests a total Realms population of over 33 million souls, lol.


You may be interested to know that the population of Faerun alone (inclusive of Evermeet and the Hordelands), calculated from adding together the populations in the FRCS, is in excess of 65 million souls in 1372 DR!

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Posted - 16 Jun 2017 :  13:54:43  Show Profile Send LordXenophon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by KanzenAU

quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik

Quite a list - and canon be damned! - I'm entirely disinclined to consider Elminster a fighter, lol.

Given the vague assumption that characters level 18+ are literally one-in-a-million individuals, this list (which only includes warriors) already suggests a total Realms population of over 33 million souls, lol.


You may be interested to know that the population of Faerun alone (inclusive of Evermeet and the Hordelands), calculated from adding together the populations in the FRCS, is in excess of 65 million souls in 1372 DR!


Which is a out a quarter of what Earth's population was, at a similar level of development. That makes Faerun comparable to Europe.

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KanzenAU
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Posted - 16 Jun 2017 :  19:09:44  Show Profile Send KanzenAU a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LordXenophon

quote:
Originally posted by KanzenAU

quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik

Quite a list - and canon be damned! - I'm entirely disinclined to consider Elminster a fighter, lol.

Given the vague assumption that characters level 18+ are literally one-in-a-million individuals, this list (which only includes warriors) already suggests a total Realms population of over 33 million souls, lol.


You may be interested to know that the population of Faerun alone (inclusive of Evermeet and the Hordelands), calculated from adding together the populations in the FRCS, is in excess of 65 million souls in 1372 DR!


Which is a out a quarter of what Earth's population was, at a similar level of development. That makes Faerun comparable to Europe.


Well...yeah. Faerun's a continent, not the whole planet. It kinda fits approximately with 13th century or so Earth - but the comparison isn't hugely relevant because they're very different places!

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How do the levels work on that list? For example Cadderly is listed at 20 CLR, but is only level 15? Then Entreri is Rog4/Rgr1/Ftr12/Asn1 which seems to add up to 18, but he's only level 16? Then Drizzt is Ftr10/Bbn1/Rgr5 which actually adds up to 16. Seems confusing...I'm guessing I am just missing something though.
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quote:
Originally posted by Taleras

How do the levels work on that list? For example Cadderly is listed at 20 CLR, but is only level 15? Then Entreri is Rog4/Rgr1/Ftr12/Asn1 which seems to add up to 18, but he's only level 16? Then Drizzt is Ftr10/Bbn1/Rgr5 which actually adds up to 16. Seems confusing...I'm guessing I am just missing something though.



I'm more confused by Szass Tam being on a list of warriors.

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Taleras
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That was a whole other question, are Clerics considered warriors? There are appear to be others on there besides Szass Tam that I wouldn't consider warriors.
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Ayrik
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Old AD&D had straightforward classes. You were one class, possibly a multi-class or dual-class. You weren't 4 levels of something, 3 levels something else, 8 levels another something else, etc, before finally settling onto your primary career path (along with an assortment of prestige class levels), lol.

I don't happen to agree with many specifics on that list. But I don't play that game edition, I don't embrace that Realmslore edition. And it doesn't seem to matter all that much - unless being pedantic over fine details and definitions and computing exact numbers of this-vs-that - in determining whether "many uber-epic level fighters" exist in the Realms.

Even ignoring the specific counts of classed NPCs in Realmslore, I ask why is it that the popular consensus seems to readily agree that wizards vastly "outnumber" their warrior counterparts in the Realms?

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quote:
Originally posted by Eli the Tanner

Here's a list I made a while back, which I have posted elsewhere before but might be good to share here too. It's based on 3,ex stats and probably incomplete. If you there are any missing let me know.

Warriors (circa 1370's)

Please note: These totals are BAB, not CR.

25 Shuruppak (NE male human Ftr20/Rog3/Wiz7) (p304 Epic Level Handbook)

23 Gareth Dragonsbane, King of Damara (LG male human Pal20/Clr5 of Ilmater) (p108 FRCS)

22 Sraece Telthorn (CN male human Ftr16/Swashbuckler 7) (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/frcc/20070613)

21 Dabron Sashenstar (CG male Tethyrian human Ftr8/Rgr10/Merchant Prince 5) (p82 Power of Faerun)
21 Dove Falconhand, Chosen of Mystra (CG female human Rgr14/Sor9/Rog4/Harper agent 1) (p280 FRCS)
21 Rassendyll Uoumdolhin, High Blade of Mulmaster (NE male Damaran human Ftr20/Rgr2) (p94 Mysteries of the Moonsea)
21 Rethnor, High Captain of Luskan (LE male human Ftr16/Rog7) (p155 Lords of Darkness)
21 Yder Tanthul, Prince of Shade (NE male shade Ftr11/Sor12/Shadow adept 4/Divine champion 4) (p156 Shadowdale: The Scouring of the Land)

20 Eltan, Grand Duke of Baldur’s Gate (LN male human Ftr20) (p225 FRCS)
20 Hykros Allumen (LG male Illuskan human Pal20 of Tyr) (p47 City of Splendors: Waterdeep)
20 Jhorrgel the Black, Master of the Old Lodge (CN male human Bbn20) (p147 Unapproachable East)
20 Laharin Goldbeard, Master of the Knights of Samular (LG Illuskan male human Pal20 of Tyr) (p45 City of Splendors: Waterdeep)
20 Narandil Greatshield, Lord-General of Glarondar (LN male half-elf Ftr20) (p108 Unapproachable East)
20 Omis Dohor (LN male half-elf Mnk30) (Icewind Dale II)
20 Texter the Paladin, Masked Lord of Waterdeep (Male Chondathan human Pal20 of Tyr) (p55 City of Splendors: Waterdeep)
20 Vaerana Hawklyn (CG female human Rgr20) (p143 FRCS)


19 Aglarel Tanthul, Prince of Shade (NE male Shade human Sor10/Ftr10/Clr6/Shadow adept 2) (p84 Lords of Darkness)
19 Eldrith the Betrayer (LE female human Pal9/Blackguard 10) (p114 Dragon 296)
19 Hippartes, King of Akanax (LN male human Ftr19) (p183 FRCS)
19 Kaanyr Vhok, the Sceptered One (CE male Illuskan human half-fiend Ftr16/Sor6) (p130 Power of Faerun)

18 Cavatina Xarann, Darksong Knight (CG female drow Ftr8/Clr14) (p37 Expedition to Undermountain)
18 Chergon Holvik (LG male human Ftr8/Knight of the Flying Hunt 10) (p87 Champions of Valor)
18 Daelegoth Orndeir, Sunlord (LN fire genasi Clr10/Evangelist 5/Sunmaster) (p59 Power of Faerun)
18 Durnan the Wanderer (NG male Illuskan human Ftr18) (p44 Expedition to Undermountain)
18 Elminster, Sage of Shadowdale (CG male human Chosen of Mystra Ftr1/Rog2/Clr3/Wiz24/Acm5) (p291 Epic level Handbook)
18 Engarth, War Captain (LG male Damaran human Rgr2/Pal9/Triadic knight 7) (p92 Champions of Valor)
18 Erthaer Javilarhhsson, Baron (CG male Illuskan human ghost Rgr13/Dread commando 5) (p99 Power of Faerun)
18 Harlakh Doroaver, King of Swords (CN male Halruuan human Ftr18) (p152 Power of Faerun)
18 Jardwim (NG male Illuskan human Ftr15/Gray Hand enforcer 3) (p38 City of Splendors: Waterdeep)
18 Jarlaxle (Male drow Swashbuckler 18) (p161 Underdark) (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/frcc/20070613)
18 Pherix Traeleth (CG male otherworldly star elf human Warlock 8/Mindbender 1/Hellfire warlock/Master of the Yuirwood 10/Enlightened spirit 6) (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/frcc/20070328)
18 Skoalam Marlgrask (CN male Chessentan human Swashbuckler 18) (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/frcc/20070613)
18 Volas Dyervolk the Bear, Iron Lord (CG male human Bbn18) (p144 Unapproachable East)


17 Artor Morlin, Baron of Blood (LE male Tethyrian human vampire Ftr13/Blackguard 3/Master vampire 3) (p72 Dungeon 128)
17 Charles O’Kan (LN male human Ftr17) (p215 FRCS)
17 Dhelt, Lord of Elturel (LG male human Pal17 of Helm) (p227 FRCS)
17 Dervila Greenbow (CG female half-elf Rgr11/Master of the Yuirwood 8) (p110 Unapproachable East)
17 Harbromm, King of Citadel Adbar (LG male shield dwarf Ftr10/Dwarven defender 7) (p71 Silver Marches)
17 Iyraclea, the Ice Queen (NE female human Clrr15/Divine disciple 5/Heriophant 5 of Auril) (p302 Epic level Handbook)
17 Mirthal Aendryr, Duke of Durmista (N male wild elf Ftr10/Rog10) (p124 Lost Empires of Faerun)
17 Tarngardt Steelshadow VII, King of Gracklstugh (LE male duergar Ftr17) (p212 FRCS)
17 Thessaloni Canos, Tharchion of the Alaor (LE female human Ftr17) (p151 Unapproachable East)
17 Thomwaith De’Krestin (N male Chondathan human Crusader 17) (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/frcc/20070911)


16 Artemis Entreri (LE male human Rog4/Rgr1/Ftr12/Asn1) (p158 FRCS)
16 Autharch Ithrash (LE male human Ftr9/Rog4/Blackguard 4) (p168 Unapproachable East)
16 Avjianos Greatspan (CG male avariel Warblade 10/Eternal blade 6) (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/frcc/20070911)
16 Burtrar Malith (NE male Chondathan human Ftr16) (p127 Power of Faerun)
16 Brian the Swordmaster (NG male human Ftr4/Exp16) (p53 Waterdeep: City of Splendors)
16 Cyrvisnea (LE female ogre mage Ftr16) (p43 Power of Faerun)
16 Dipren Qarto, Captain of Eltabbar guard (LE male human Ftr16) (p169 Unapproachable East)
16 Drizzt Do’Urden (CG male drow Ftr10/Bbn1/Rgr5) (p177 FRCS)
16 Earlraun Shadowlyn, Moonlord (CG male half-elf Rgr16) (p76 Silver Marches)
16 Eishaera Sashenstar (NG female human Exp16/Merchant princess 5) (p83 Power of Faerun)
16 Emerus Warcrown, King of Citadel Felbarr (LG male shield dwarf Ftr16) (p68 Silver Marches)
16 Erevis Cale, Chosen of Mask (N male human Shade Rog6/Ftr3/Clr11/Divine Disciple 2) (http://www.candlekeep.com/library/articles/erevis-35.htm)
16 Gargan the Dispossessed (CG male goliath Bbn1/Rgr6/Goliath liberator/Tempest 5) (http://www.candlekeep.com/library/lore.htm) (The Fox and the Dispossessed, Part 2)
16 Hovor Seawind, High Captain (CG male half-elf Ftr4/Rog6/Aglorondan griffonrider 8) (p85 Unapproachable East)
16 Jhesentel Firetalon (CG female Damaran human Ftr16) (p95 Champions of Valor)
16 Khumarr (CE male drow Ftr7/Blk4/Divine champion 5 of Kiaransalee) (p154 City of the Spider Queen)
16 Kriben Vantur, Captain of Escalant Guard (LE male human Ftr16) (p169 Unapproachable East)
16 Redeye (CE male lizardfolk Bbn11/Divine champion 5 of Talos) (p224 FRCS)
16 Rayanna the Rose (LN female human Ftr16) (p104 Champions of Valor)
16 Ryld Agrith, Master of Melee-Magthere (CN male drow Rog2/Ftr15) (p86 Dragon 312)
16 Storm Silverhand, Chosen of Mystra (CG female human Rog1/Ftr4/Sor12/Brd8/Harper Agent 3) (p292 Epic Level Handbook)
16 Thalaman Harthgroth (N male human Bar5/Ftr11) (p138 FRCS)
16 Thaltor Blacksaddle, Baron of Blacksaddle (LN male Damaran human Ftr16) (135 Power of Faerun)
16 Tlinthar Regheriad, High Dawnknight (LG male Illuskan human Pal16 of Lathander) (p55 Power of Faerun)
16 Yldar Nathalan (CG male sun elf swashbuckler 3/bladesong duskblade 13) (http://www.candlekeep.com/library/lore.htm) (The Greater Treasure: A Heart of Darkness and Ynloth's Legacy)

15 Ankh-Malar, Chosen of Malar (CE male human Bbn15) (p87 Dungeon #129)
15 Ayesunder Truesilver(LG male human Ftr15) (p35 Dungeon #113)
15 Azhir Kren, Tharchion of Gauros (NE female human Ftr15) (p152 Unapproachable East)
15 Baltir Merivolst (LG male human Ftr7/Knight of the Flying Hunt 8) (p87 Champions of Valor)
15 Cadderly Bonaduce (NG male human Clr20) (http://ww2.wizards.com/Books/Wizards/?doc=fr_deneir)
15 Daeghun Farlong (N male elf Rgr15) (Neverwinter Nights 2)
15 Esterelve (LN male Chondathan human Ftr8/Cavalier 7) (p95 Champions of Valor)
15 Furifax (LE male moon half-elf Ftr15) (p187 FRCS)
15 Gelgar Talonguard (LN male human Rgr15) (p110 FRCS)
15 Greila Sontoin(LN femal human Clr20) (p139 Shining South)
15 Heldel Thasstan (CG male human Clr20) (p95 Champions of Valor)
15 Helm Dwarf-friend (NG male human Ftr10/Rgr5) (p67 Silver Marches)
15 Homen Odesseiron, Tharchion of Surhay (LE male human Evo6/Red Wizard 1/Ftr12) (p156 Unapproachable East)
15 Keshna Finlothleer, Grand Master of Shadows (NE female human Rogue 9/Assassin 4/Telflammar shadowlord 9)(p184 Unapproachable East)
15 Limbrar, War Captain (LG male human Mnk5/Pal12 of Ilmater) (p92 Champions of Valor)
15 Madeiron Sunderstone (LG male Illuskan human Pal15) (p34 City of Splendors)
15 Mhaelori, Swordcaptain (CG male half-Illuskan human-moon elf Rgr6/Wildrunner 9) (p100 Power of Faerun)
15 King Osaw I the Wise, Chosen of Ubtao (LG male human Pal15 of Ubtao) (p108 FRCS)
15 Pheszeltan (N male human Drd17/Divine disciple 4 of Silvanus) (p223 FRCS)
15 Scyllua Darkhope (LE female Chondathan human Pal5/Rgr4/Blk6 of Bane) (p136 Shadowdale: scouring of the dale)
15 Sess’sth (CN male lizardfolk Bbn13/Tribal Protector 2) (p114 Dragon #296)
15 Stavar (LG male human Ftr10/Purple Dragon knight 5) (p113 FRCS)
15 Szass Tam, Zulkir of Necromancy (NE male human lich Nec10/Red wizard 17/Archmage 2) (p297 Epic level Handbook)
15 Talindra Amalith (CN female wild elf Bbn15) (p79 Champions of Ruins)
15 Tilgath (LN female Untheri human Clr16/Ftr3) (74 Dragons of Faerun)
15 Triel Baenre, Matron Mother (CE female drow Clr20) (p161 Underdark)
15 Yanseldra (NG female human Ftr11/Sor8) (p143 FRCS)



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quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik

Old AD&D had straightforward classes. You were one class, possibly a multi-class or dual-class. You weren't 4 levels of something, 3 levels something else, 8 levels another something else, etc, before finally settling onto your primary career path (along with an assortment of prestige class levels), lol.

I don't happen to agree with many specifics on that list. But I don't play that game edition, I don't embrace that Realmslore edition. And it doesn't seem to matter all that much - unless being pedantic over fine details and definitions and computing exact numbers of this-vs-that - in determining whether "many uber-epic level fighters" exist in the Realms.



Is there any literature online that discusses how those levels are computed? Is the current edition more straightforward? Or is that the current edition?
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quote:
Originally posted by Taleras

quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik

Old AD&D had straightforward classes. You were one class, possibly a multi-class or dual-class. You weren't 4 levels of something, 3 levels something else, 8 levels another something else, etc, before finally settling onto your primary career path (along with an assortment of prestige class levels), lol.

I don't happen to agree with many specifics on that list. But I don't play that game edition, I don't embrace that Realmslore edition. And it doesn't seem to matter all that much - unless being pedantic over fine details and definitions and computing exact numbers of this-vs-that - in determining whether "many uber-epic level fighters" exist in the Realms.



Is there any literature online that discusses how those levels are computed? Is the current edition more straightforward? Or is that the current edition?



Most of those stats are from 3rd edition. You add up all your class levels to get your over all character level.

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Even ignoring the specific counts of classed NPCs in Realmslore, I ask why is it that the popular consensus seems to readily agree that wizards vastly "outnumber" their warrior counterparts in the Realms?



It's what I've been saying: wizards are sexier and get all the attention.

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And in the list above, its not total levels combined but rather the Base Attack Bonus of all the classes combined. So a fighter 5/ wizard 20 still only has a BAB of 15.
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quote:
Originally posted by Taleras

How do the levels work on that list? For example Cadderly is listed at 20 CLR, but is only level 15? Then Entreri is Rog4/Rgr1/Ftr12/Asn1 which seems to add up to 18, but he's only level 16? Then Drizzt is Ftr10/Bbn1/Rgr5 which actually adds up to 16. Seems confusing...I'm guessing I am just missing something though.



Aye, you'll note at the top of the list it is based on a character's BAB (base attack bonus) rather than overall level. BAB is a measure in 3rd edition of a character's rough skill in combat and all attacks are based off it. Therefore characters with exclusively combat-orientated classes (e.g. Drizzt) would have a BAB matching their levels whereas characters that have dabbled in some less combat-focused classes (e.g. Artemis or Elminster) would have a lower BAB compared to their levels.

Essentially the list was ordered to give an idea of how effective a character would broadly be in a fight (excluding feats, magic, physical difference, etc.) based on their training and experience. So someone like Elminster (to use an outlier) is a level 35 character with the powers of a Chosen, untold magic items and all manner of spells and tricks up his robes. However his centuries of experience and dablling in combat means he is arguably close in bladework as Artor Morlin or Iyraclea but nowhere near his realms-shaking level and status.

That said, (and continuing the above example) as Ed has pointed out before, once we start layering more information on any ranking becomes rather complicated. In a straight fight Artor Morlin is physically faster, stronger and probably tougher than Elminster. Artor uses an unusual double-bladed weapon which can bring many more attacks to bear. Artor has developed his own fighting style by investing in a number of combat feats that will give all sorts of flourishes and honed attacks. Soon our ancient archmage is looking very much of practice and very much outclassed...before we even taken into consideration Artor's magical weapons or vampiric abilities.

The list is a clue to a character's rough combat skill but strips away most of the deciding factors of a true fight.

To quote Ed: "The 'best' swordsman doesn't always win"

Hope it engenders discussion either way

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Edited by - Eli the Tanner on 17 Jun 2017 18:08:45
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Ahhh, that is very interesting and makes a lot of sense. Thank you for the information!!
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