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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
1965 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2016 : 06:56:02
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Welcome back, Lord Karsus. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3285 Posts |
Posted - 18 Oct 2016 : 15:28:13
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Look who returns! |
"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding." Alaundo of Candlekeep |
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
United Kingdom
6351 Posts |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3802 Posts |
Posted - 18 Oct 2016 : 16:00:31
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Basically what dazzlerdal said. They used a huge deus ex machina (the Sundering) to bring back *a lot* of stuff, and to undo most of 4e (or even events that came before it), but the explanation leaves much to be desired, and the details are very vague for most things. It's some kind of weird in-world partial reboot. They are *slowly* adding some more details through their super adventures, and they provided tidbits about many characters/gods/organizations/regions (plus details about certain events) through the novels (although they are likely ending this year) but yeah, you have a lot of freedom. Not that it wasn't the case before, tho... |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
Edited by - Irennan on 18 Oct 2016 16:02:32 |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
3736 Posts |
Posted - 18 Oct 2016 : 19:19:40
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OK, just to make sure I'm getting it right:
They undid a lot of stuff the big, sweeping changes- many of which either went unexplained or under explained- using big, sweeping changes- a lot of which either hasn't really been explained or will be "in due time". Sourcebooks are a thing of the past, they aren't writing novels anymore (TBC), and the only sources of new info are bits and trickles that come out once a year, so "in due time" might be a really, really long time.
Oy vey. |
(A Tri-Partite Arcanist Who Has Forgotten More Than Most Will Ever Know)
Elves of Faerūn Vol I- The Elves of Faerūn Vol. III- Spells of the Elves Vol. VI- Mechanical Compendium |
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
United Kingdom
6351 Posts |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3802 Posts |
Posted - 18 Oct 2016 : 19:35:52
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quote: Originally posted by Lord Karsus
OK, just to make sure I'm getting it right:
They undid a lot of stuff the big, sweeping changes- many of which either went unexplained or under explained- using big, sweeping changes- a lot of which either hasn't really been explained or will be "in due time". Sourcebooks are a thing of the past, they aren't writing novels anymore (TBC), and the only sources of new info are bits and trickles that come out once a year, so "in due time" might be a really, really long time.
Oy vey.
There is one sourcebook that provides a summary of the status quo of the settings, the Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide. But yeah, it's very details-lite on why things are how they currently are. For example, for most gods (not all) the explanation of their return (and that includes even the likes of Myrkul and Leira, so it's not only about those removed in 3e or 4e) is "people just thought they were dead, but in truth they had just withdrawn for some reason", or "they are back and have amassed new followers, but we don't know how. However, since gods can resurrect people, it makes sense for them to be able to come back", or "Ao did it", and other stuff along those lines. |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
Edited by - Irennan on 18 Oct 2016 19:37:44 |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
3736 Posts |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 06 Nov 2016 : 20:45:20
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Wow. We are far from the richness of late 2nd edition FR. 3E/3.5 was less detailed and more crunchy than 2nd Ed., but at least they were still delivering neat sourcebooks, adventures, etc. with some very decent art and lots of gooddies done by Ed.
Myrkul and Leira?!?? wow! did they retcon Kelemvor, Cyric and Midnight out of existence? LOL |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3802 Posts |
Posted - 07 Nov 2016 : 01:34:29
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They are all still there, their portfolios changed to make room for everyone. For example, Myrkul is the god of death and decay as forces of nature, Kel is judge and god of the dead. |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
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xaeyruudh
Master of Realmslore
USA
1853 Posts |
Posted - 08 Nov 2016 : 05:18:03
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quote: Originally posted by Lord Karsus
So, after ten years or whatever it's bee, we're back at square one. This is fine.
Thanks for the recap, all. I'm in agreement with Lord Karsus. The less they're publishing, the more the world is ours now.
Better than fine; that's awesome. |
Edited by - xaeyruudh on 08 Nov 2016 05:30:14 |
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Elren_Wolfsbane
Learned Scribe
USA
111 Posts |
Posted - 11 Nov 2016 : 21:06:21
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Welcome Back Karsus. I'm excited to see what They're doing in 5e. Yet they're leaving a lot to the DM and players, which is great. I do need to read up on some material on the Dm's Guild |
Aa' lasser en`coialle n`natula brown.
(May the leaves of your life tree never turn brown)
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
3736 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2016 : 20:15:26
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quote: Originally posted by xaeyruudh Thanks for the recap, all. I'm in agreement with Lord Karsus. The less they're publishing, the more the world is ours now.
Better than fine; that's awesome.
That was a sarcastic "this is fine", like the dog in the webcomic. |
(A Tri-Partite Arcanist Who Has Forgotten More Than Most Will Ever Know)
Elves of Faerūn Vol I- The Elves of Faerūn Vol. III- Spells of the Elves Vol. VI- Mechanical Compendium |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
3802 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2016 : 20:53:38
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I honestly think that undoing a lot of the damage done at the end of 3e and with 4e was needed, but the way they did that was very cheap. |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
Edited by - Irennan on 20 Nov 2016 20:53:50 |
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Lord Entrails
Acolyte
USA
4 Posts |
Posted - 22 Nov 2016 : 19:51:10
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Anyone have a list of suggested products on the DMsGuild or elsewhere for current/5E non-canon info? |
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xaeyruudh
Master of Realmslore
USA
1853 Posts |
Posted - 03 Dec 2016 : 02:24:12
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quote: Originally posted by Lord Karsus
That was a sarcastic "this is fine", like the dog in the webcomic.
Oh. Whoops, my bad!
I can see and agree with the sarcastic take, too. There's been a lot of dubya-tee-eff ever since WotC took over. In my opinion, publishing nothing would be a better move than publishing 4e, but I get that not everyone is into generating 100% of their own campaign material. Plus, it's frustrating that that someone is retaining all the copyrights while going "downhill" essentially preventing anyone else from picking up the torch and publishing great official material at a 1e/2e/3e pace.
I'm not normally one to play devil's advocate on WotC's behalf but it's possible that they're under a mandate to generate a profit for some length of time before Hasbro will give them their previous budget back. Publishing anything with a budget of zero dollars is a tough spot to be in.
We've all held on this long; I think we can hang out a bit more. Obviously we'll be developing our own campaign material in the meantime but I remain optimistic that either WotC will come around or Hasbro will sell the IP to recoup their lost profits.
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Spectralballoons
Acolyte
Pakistan
48 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jan 2017 : 08:20:48
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FR is now the default campaign setting, they're making a movie, some authors quit and the rest haven't been offered contracts, we are getting two adventures a year and a big crunchbook they've been gearing up for with weekly unearthed arcana. We we got Volo's guide, a Mm2 with fluff, and the Scag, a forgotten realms campaign guide. Here's to hoping they keep publishing novels and are just really caught up in movie production or are preparing to outsource publishing. |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
3736 Posts |
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Spectralballoons
Acolyte
Pakistan
48 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2017 : 13:32:59
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Big changes are that zhentarim have gone from evil to neautral. Tieflings and dragonborn are PHB core races. 4e spellplague has been undone. During 4e abeir was jlined with toril, tgey've been reseparated now. Dragonborn come from abeir. Asmodeus changed all tiefling on toril to be with standard devil horns and tail. Overgod Ao has decreed that tne power of gods depends kn hoa widespread their reljgikn is, so now they depend om their mortal followers for brlief.Eerything else is mostly reverted to end of 2e/startof 3e. |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
USA
3736 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2017 : 02:31:08
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Man. I'm making a character for a game I'm gonna be playing in for the first time in like five years, give or take, and I forgot how fun it is opening all the books and picking feats and classes and PrCs and so on.
I honestly thought I was done with D&D and all of that stuff forever, but it's nice getting back into it. And none of that even has to do with FR. If I could get back into that now...Honestly, I've been trying but it just isn't working. |
(A Tri-Partite Arcanist Who Has Forgotten More Than Most Will Ever Know)
Elves of Faerūn Vol I- The Elves of Faerūn Vol. III- Spells of the Elves Vol. VI- Mechanical Compendium |
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